trubster:
Why do we have to do this DCPC crap again■■?Oh yeah
Yes, but why do we ALL have to do it? Surely it should just be those idiots that don’t know the rules.
It should be based on infringements and not a blanket thing.
I did it, it was crap, even had some mis-information, complete waste of my time and money.
But that’s because I have some pride in my profession and take it upon myself to know the rules and regulations of the industry that pays my bills.
trubster:
Why do we have to do this DCPC crap again■■?Oh yeah
I dont imagine for one minute that 35 hours is long enough to explain every possible scenario regarding Tacho laws.
milodon:
limeyphil:
and you can work 4, 10, 13 and 15 hours before taking a rest of 9, 11 or whatever hours.if you are on duty more than 13h, your daily rest will be reduced - count as a 9h rest, doesn’t matter if you have a rest of 9h and 1 min or 19 hours.
your rest will count as the amount of time you have.
There is nothing in law that says anything on the lines of 9hrs 1 min, 19hrs, 15hrs, 13hrs, 0hrs. counts as anything other than what it is.
if i’ve been in my bed for 10 hours, then that’s the rest i’ve had. if i’ve worked for 10,11,12,13,14, or 15 hours, then that’s what i’ve done. Nothing in domestic regs or EU regs says: do this and it counts as something else.
Snowgo:
Tipper Tom:
The rules are very simple. It’s the MMTM and the bickering that make it difficult.3 reduced dailies between weeklies
2 10 hour drives in the same period
Its not the same period for 10 hour drives. They are per week.
Which is defined as a period between two weekly resta
Tipper Tom:
Snowgo:
Tipper Tom:
The rules are very simple. It’s the MMTM and the bickering that make it difficult.3 reduced dailies between weeklies
2 10 hour drives in the same period
Its not the same period for 10 hour drives. They are per week.
Which is defined as a period between two weekly resta
It isn’t TT, the 10 hours drives is per fixed week, defined as Monday 0000 to Sunday 2359 (midnight Sunday/Monday)
So you can do four 10 hour drives in a row, if for example it’s a Sat, Sun, Mon, Tues.
Regardless of everything, though, it is absurd just how complicated it all is. I mean, really a thread like this should either not exist at all, or have one reply stating the correct answer. Instead, within three or four posts it’s mired in angels dancing on the head of a pin - type debates about what constitutes a weekly rest, and how extending driving time to 10 hours twice a “week” (yes, I know) works on a different definition of a “week” from that applied to reducing weekly rests. I konw it’s easy enough once you get your head round it all, but it could be a good deal simpler without compromising safety.
My bad then
limeyphil:
milodon:
limeyphil:
and you can work 4, 10, 13 and 15 hours before taking a rest of 9, 11 or whatever hours.if you are on duty more than 13h, your daily rest will be reduced - count as a 9h rest, doesn’t matter if you have a rest of 9h and 1 min or 19 hours.
your rest will count as the amount of time you have.
There is nothing in law that says anything on the lines of 9hrs 1 min, 19hrs, 15hrs, 13hrs, 0hrs. counts as anything other than what it is.
if i’ve been in my bed for 10 hours, then that’s the rest i’ve had. if i’ve worked for 10,11,12,13,14, or 15 hours, then that’s what i’ve done. Nothing in domestic regs or EU regs says: do this and it counts as something else.
The rest period must fit into the 24 hour period from when you started. Otherwise you could work 18 hours (no regs limiting work time) have 11 hours in bed then be ready to start again.
If you work a over 13 hours, less than 11 hours of rest fit into the 24 hour period - and it’s a reduced daily rest. That’s even if you then stay in bed 3 hours more and have 15 hours off - you still used up a reduced daily rest. Dum huh!!?
Rhythm Thief:
Regardless of everything, though, it is absurd just how complicated it all is. I mean, really a thread like this should either not exist at all, or have one reply stating the correct answer. Instead, within three or four posts it’s mired in angels dancing on the head of a pin - type debates about what constitutes a weekly rest, and how extending driving time to 10 hours twice a “week” (yes, I know) works on a different definition of a “week” from that applied to reducing weekly rests. I konw it’s easy enough once you get your head round it all, but it could be a good deal simpler without compromising safety.
You’re not wrong. And the dcpc won’t make any difference. Vosa and the police attend courses on a very regular basis and still interprate the regs in several different ways, What chance do we have?
The whole lot needs burning and rewriting on one A5 sheet.
limeyphil:
your rest will count as the amount of time you have.
There is nothing in law that says anything on the lines of 9hrs 1 min, 19hrs, 15hrs, 13hrs, 0hrs. counts as anything other than what it is.
if i’ve been in my bed for 10 hours, then that’s the rest i’ve had. if i’ve worked for 10,11,12,13,14, or 15 hours, then that’s what i’ve done. Nothing in domestic regs or EU regs says: do this and it counts as something else.
page 20 here: http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/Transport_Theme_files/Goods_vehicles_tachograph_hours_1111_3.pdf
better sink it in before heading into bulgaria, I’ve heard the local transit police isn’t satisfied with a €10 backhander anymore 
I’m just going to walk in the room with my spanner and throw it in the works 
It is possible to do more than 3 15 hours shifts in a week, and have 9 hours daily rest on all of them
it has been mentioned on this thread before but it might not be a good idea to confuse limeyphil even more 
milodon:
it has been mentioned on this thread before but it might not be a good idea to confuse limeyphil even more
chilistrucker:
I’m just going to walk in the room with my spanner and throw it in the works
It is possible to do more than 3 15 hours shifts in a week, and have 9 hours daily rest on all of them
yes if you manage to get a 3 hour break during the day its classed as a split rest 
you can do
3x9
or 3x15
or a combination of both
as long as the sum of which is no more than 3
hope this adds to the confusion
to avoid confusion
don’t take reduced breaks
or do long days
cliffton 27:
chilistrucker:
I’m just going to walk in the room with my spanner and throw it in the works
It is possible to do more than 3 15 hours shifts in a week, and have 9 hours daily rest on all of themyes if you manage to get a 3 hour break during the day its classed as a split rest
milodon:
limeyphil:
your rest will count as the amount of time you have.
There is nothing in law that says anything on the lines of 9hrs 1 min, 19hrs, 15hrs, 13hrs, 0hrs. counts as anything other than what it is.
if i’ve been in my bed for 10 hours, then that’s the rest i’ve had. if i’ve worked for 10,11,12,13,14, or 15 hours, then that’s what i’ve done. Nothing in domestic regs or EU regs says: do this and it counts as something else.page 20 here: http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/Transport_Theme_files/Goods_vehicles_tachograph_hours_1111_3.pdf
better sink it in before heading into bulgaria, I’ve heard the local transit police isn’t satisfied with a €10 backhander anymore
Let what sink in?
I know the rules.
There are no such things in law as a 15 hour or 13 hour working day. just rest and reduced rest.
What part of that don’t you understand?
no, you clearly don’t. good luck with your quest of trolling in the absence of better things to do.
hitch:
to avoid confusion
don’t take reduced breaks
or do long days
Beautiful. Like a Haiku.