How Did It Get This Way!

[orys]

Carryfast:

orys:
Some interesting reading for you:
economist.com/blogs/bagehot/ … on_britain

Interesting view: comparing consequences to Britain from opening work market to Poles with Germans, who managed to keep it shut till few days ago.

The fact is that the German economy is,as usual,better off,so far,than the British one and we’ve got plenty of our own graduates leaving universities who can’t find decent jobs so have to work in hamburger cafes instead so where’s the case for needing to import so called cleverer people from eastern europe and how can it be good for those east european countries to lose those so called clever zb’s when they need them themselves to build up their own countries economies instead of zb’ing up ours by lowering wage rates. .

You got a valid point here with Central Europe loosing their most educated people for the West. But the point is that our loss is your gain.

The fact is that the east european issue is just one of taking advantage of what they can get out of the more developed western european states because they are’nt clever enough to make their own countries into the type of place where they want to stay themselves by their own efforts.

Somehow despite vast emigration of most educated people Poland is still on growth and Britain is in decline… I wonder if I should feel offended by your statement about easter european cleverness, but I will get you out with this - it’s just statement caused by your lack of the intelligence and basic undersanding of the economy and circumstances.

However the issue in this topic is one of east european drivers working here not college graduates and if the banker who wrote that story is correct then why is it that the USA and Canada does’nt seem to see things the same way in allowing an open door immigration policy for european workers and drivers .Probably because they know that the last thing that they need is any issues which would reduce their income levels even more relative to prices .

Hmmm… Maybe because they aren’t in EU and their situation is different?

[snudger]

" they are’nt clever enough" ! Well done Orys for not rising too much to that one and responding with cool sense. Some people seem to resent the loss of empire, influence and prestige and still want to feel superior when in fact we only got to that state due to our deviousness, military and economic power and being in the right place at the right time. Sure, effort & ability came into it but it was largely due to the European dominance of science and technological knowledge a lot of which has come way back from Arabic, Indian and Chinese influences. The Empire was all about bringing civilisation to the natives wasn’t it? Or as Orys said, history is written by the victors.

[wheel_nut]

So carryfasts Jaguar is like Triggers brush

[carryfast]

orys:

Carryfast:

orys:
Some interesting reading for you:
economist.com/blogs/bagehot/ … on_britain

Interesting view: comparing consequences to Britain from opening work market to Poles with Germans, who managed to keep it shut till few days ago.

The fact is that the German economy is,as usual,better off,so far,than the British one and we’ve got plenty of our own graduates leaving universities who can’t find decent jobs so have to work in hamburger cafes instead so where’s the case for needing to import so called cleverer people from eastern europe and how can it be good for those east european countries to lose those so called clever zb’s when they need them themselves to build up their own countries economies instead of zb’ing up ours by lowering wage rates. .

You got a valid point here with Central Europe loosing their most educated people for the West. But the point is that our loss is your gain.

The fact is that the east european issue is just one of taking advantage of what they can get out of the more developed western european states because they are’nt clever enough to make their own countries into the type of place where they want to stay themselves by their own efforts.

Somehow despite vast emigration of most educated people Poland is still on growth and Britain is in decline… I wonder if I should feel offended by your statement about easter european cleverness, but I will get you out with this - it’s just statement caused by your lack of the intelligence and basic undersanding of the economy and circumstances.

However the issue in this topic is one of east european drivers working here not college graduates and if the banker who wrote that story is correct then why is it that the USA and Canada does’nt seem to see things the same way in allowing an open door immigration policy for european workers and drivers .Probably because they know that the last thing that they need is any issues which would reduce their income levels even more relative to prices .

Hmmm… Maybe because they aren’t in EU and their situation is different?

The reason why Britain is in decline and places like China,India,and Eastern Europe are growing is because we’ve thrown away all of our wealth and future wealth creating industrial base by giving it away by investing it in those other losers around the world who could’nt do it for themselves and by employing immigrant workers,from places like Eastern Europe (‘and’ countries from outside the EU).

Whereas what we should have been doing was to invest in our own country and put up trade barriers against imported goods that we can produce ourselves,and only employ our own labour and if leaving the EU is what it takes then we should also do that too considering that we did’nt actually vote to join an EU dominated East European states sponging off of the developed West European ones to get rich quick at our expense.

But exactly how is it that the North American situation is ‘different’ from ours especially if we’ve got enough sense to leave the EU .Having said that North America is a part of NAFTA,which includes Mexico,and which was set up with similar aims to the EEC that we joined before the east europeans got in on the act.However,luckily for North American drivers (and the few Brit ex pats they’ve allowed in from outside NAFTA) that does’nt allow carte blanche for Mexican immigrant drivers to work in the US or Canada or Mexican trucks to haul freight throughout North America including cabotage operations.

You were wondering if you should feel offended by my idea that the East European states are’nt as clever as they would like to think they are,considering that they’ve had to come running to the developed West European ones to make themsleves better off than they would have been if just left to get on with it by their own efforts.Which is a co incidence because I was wondering if I should feel offended by hearing the immigrant worker supporters,saying that the British workers are’nt as good,or as bright,as those immigrants and that ours don’t want to work because the so called social security pays better than working .

However working would also probably pay better than it does now if wage levels here were’nt artificially rigged,by the low wage pressures,caused by our open door immigration policy,and if we had trade barriers in place making it far more difficult to import cheap goods and services from low wage economies.

[carryfast]

Snudger:
" they are’nt clever enough" ! Well done Orys for not rising too much to that one and responding with cool sense. Some people seem to resent the loss of empire, influence and prestige and still want to feel superior when in fact we only got to that state due to our deviousness Sure, effort & ability came into it but it was largely due to the European dominance of science and technological knowledge a lot of which has come way back from Arabic, Indian and Chinese influences.

So now you’re going to re write history by saying that the industrial revolution in Britain was all down to Arab,Indian and Chinese technology.

[orys]

Carryfast:
So now you’re going to re write history by saying that the industrial revolution in Britain was all down to Arab,Indian and Chinese technology.

No, but progress of sience was possible only because people in Arab countries (and other wild places like Poland) were working on sience when you were busy with Catholics slaughtering Anglicans and vice versa.

You tend to pick only these pieces of history which are convienient for you.

[orys]

Carryfast:
You were wondering if you should feel offended by my idea that the East European states are’nt as clever as they would like to think they are

Well, for sure reading your posts convicted me to one things: we are far beyond Brits like you in a matter bolded by me in your quote above…

,considering that they’ve had to come running to the developed West European ones to make themsleves better off than they would have been if just left to get on with it by their own efforts.

You seem to lack to understand basic things around there. Imagine (if you can) that Poland was a free country and you were milked by American communist regime for the most of the past century. I bet that it would be the Great Britons running to Poland and begging for work now.

If you can’t see that you are offending the whole nations, you are even more stupid then I thought. Therefore I am off that thread, at least for you. This is my last answer to you until you’ll apologize.

Which is a co incidence because I was wondering if I should feel offended by hearing the immigrant worker supporters,saying that the British workers are’nt as good,or as bright,as those immigrants and that ours don’t want to work because the so called social security pays better than working .

Obviously British workers who can’t find jobs (or don’t want to as they prefer to sit on benefits) aren’t as good as the Eastern Europeans who can find jobs. Is that really too much for you to face these obvious facts?

If the Britons were so great workers, and if they wanted to work, no Eastern European would be able to find job here. Simples.

Take care, I am leaving in few hours to the land of idiots for my holiday.

Btw: Your comments on the Eastern Europeans reminded me an old Polish joke: what would happen, if all Polish idiots moved to England? Average IQ in both countries would rise significantly. People like you makes me thing that such a racist jokes has to be grounded somewhere in reality.

Sorry to other readers, I couldnt stand this ■■■■■■■■ any more, and this joke above do not express my own opinion on Britons, as you know well.

Enjoy a Britain with one Polish worker less for the next week

[carryfast]

orys:

Carryfast:
So now you’re going to re write history by saying that the industrial revolution in Britain was all down to Arab,Indian and Chinese technology.

No, but progress of sience was possible only because people in Arab countries (and other wild places like Poland) were working on sience when you were busy with protestant slaughtering Anglicans and vice versa.

You tend to pick only these pieces of history which are convienient for you.

Thought that protestant was Anglicans (Church of England) .But it’s often a case of protestants slaughtering other protestants before those other protestants even had the chance to be born.

But if the Arabs were that bright they’d have drilled for their own oil and refined it,then built their own aircraft,ships,trucks and cars to use it in and they’d have been running from the Middle East to here with those trucks during the 1970’s instead of us running to them and then maybe I’d have been living in a backward country where I could have offered to drive them for them for zb all wages and let them drive a camel up the road instead.

[orys]

Carryfast:
Thought that protestant was Anglicans (Church of England) .

Sorry, I just realized my mistake and came back to correct it.

[carryfast]

orys:

Carryfast:
You were wondering if you should feel offended by my idea that the East European states are’nt as clever as they would like to think they are

Well, for sure reading your posts convicted me to one things: we are far beyond Brits like you in a matter bolded by me in your quote above…

,considering that they’ve had to come running to the developed West European ones to make themsleves better off than they would have been if just left to get on with it by their own efforts.

You seem to lack to understand basic things around there. Imagine (if you can) that Poland was a free country and you were milked by American communist regime for the most of the past century. I bet that it would be the Great Britons running to Poland and begging for work now.

If you can’t see that you are offending the whole nations, you are even more stupid then I thought. Therefore I am off that thread, at least for you. This is my last answer to you until you’ll apologize.

Imagine if you can de mobbed British ex WW2 conscripts having to pay for the damage to Germany’s and Europe’s economy caused by Germany’s actions in starting a war and then watching those German workers’,who they’d previously been fighting,standard of living and wage levels being better than our own,while at the same time being told that German workers are better than British ones because the British ones can’t match the productivety of German ones because the Germans are using brand new machinery etc paid for by the Brits while the Brits have to make do with zb knackered equipment worn out by 5 years of war which we entered to try to save Poland.

Your argument concerning British workers and how we should keep quiet and forget our own interests sounds just like what I’d expect from an ex German WW2 conscript worker of the 1960’s not a later generation Pole.

Apologise for what .

[alamcculloch]

t was often said that The Allied Forces won the war ,but Germany won the Peace.The Marshall Plan was used to rebuild Europe while we lived in austere conditions.

[carryfast]

alamcculloch:
t was often said that The Allied Forces won the war ,but Germany won the Peace.The Marshall Plan was used to rebuild Europe while we lived in austere conditions.

At last someone finally gets it.It’s just a shame that Polish were taught history by the Commies and now the German rulers of Europe not by us.

[willy_gofar]

rockape2620:

toby1234abc:
Rock ape,that it was RAF regiment gunners are nick named as.Milatary cops are called snowdrops,due to the white caps.

In homage to my Dad mate He was RAF Regiment

If you ever get asked for ID by a Snowdrop with a dog show the ID to the dog. LOL