GORDON 50:
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge.
This ^^^^^^^^ 100%
We dont have a say in how much Marks and Sparks charge for a pair of pants, nor do we have a say in the price of a loave of bread!
msgyorkie:
GORDON 50:
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge.This ^^^^^^^^ 100%
We dont have a say in how much Marks and Sparks charge for a pair of pants, nor do we have a say in the price of a loave of bread!
But we (collectively) certainly do have a say in these things. We could look at the pants on offer at M&S and say “No, I’m going to buy from a different shop who doesn’t source their pants from Vietnam (or wherever) even though they are more expensive.” Likewise we could choose to buy our bread from a shop who bakes the stuff on-site, using locally-sourced ingredients. But we no longer have that option because we (collectively) years ago opted instead for the lowest price.
Roymondo:
msgyorkie:
GORDON 50:
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge.This ^^^^^^^^ 100%
We dont have a say in how much Marks and Sparks charge for a pair of pants, nor do we have a say in the price of a loave of bread!But we (collectively) certainly do have a say in these things. We could look at the pants on offer at M&S and say “No, I’m going to buy from a different shop who doesn’t source their pants from Vietnam (or wherever) even though they are more expensive.” Likewise we could choose to buy our bread from a shop who bakes the stuff on-site, using locally-sourced ingredients. But we no longer have that option because we (collectively) years ago opted instead for the lowest price.
For many people, the label price is not the deciding factor, it’s the convenience and time. Buying “locally-sourced” products involves significantly greater time and effort than calling at Asda after work on Friday and buying everything you need for the following week in the space of 30 mins.
I am happy to pay more for goods which are well-made, good quality materials that will last, in order to avoid them breaking at 2 years and 1 day old and having to buy a replacement because the 2 year warranty expired, but actually trying to find genuine well-made goods these days is a challenge in itself. It seems every manufacturer has joined the race to the botton. 
Roymondo:
msgyorkie:
GORDON 50:
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge.This ^^^^^^^^ 100%
We dont have a say in how much Marks and Sparks charge for a pair of pants, nor do we have a say in the price of a loave of bread!But we (collectively) certainly do have a say in these things. We could look at the pants on offer at M&S and say “No, I’m going to buy from a different shop who doesn’t source their pants from Vietnam (or wherever) even though they are more expensive.” Likewise we could choose to buy our bread from a shop who bakes the stuff on-site, using locally-sourced ingredients. But we no longer have that option because we (collectively) years ago opted instead for the lowest price.
We could collectively also just impose tariffs on foreign imports, so nobody can decide to earn their own pay in Britain but deprive the next man of his pay by buying foreign.
It’s quite absurd to imagine we should all be making these decisions at the time of purchase. Do you really think every single product should come with a huge booklet of statistics and factoids that the individual consumer is supposed to scrutinise every time they want a pint of milk or a loaf of bread?
It’s as preposterous as those who say that those long standard-form terms and conditions that retailers impose on us, somehow bind us with our “consent”, as if the whole of society should spend their entire weekends trawling every bit of nonsense some shyster lawyer working for the retailer has spent years putting together and refining, and as if we have a realistic option to say “I don’t agree with these terms. I’ll just starve this week”.
Rjan:
Roymondo:
msgyorkie:
GORDON 50:
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge.This ^^^^^^^^ 100%
We dont have a say in how much Marks and Sparks charge for a pair of pants, nor do we have a say in the price of a loave of bread!But we (collectively) certainly do have a say in these things. We could look at the pants on offer at M&S and say “No, I’m going to buy from a different shop who doesn’t source their pants from Vietnam (or wherever) even though they are more expensive.” Likewise we could choose to buy our bread from a shop who bakes the stuff on-site, using locally-sourced ingredients. But we no longer have that option because we (collectively) years ago opted instead for the lowest price.
We could collectively also just impose tariffs on foreign imports, so nobody can decide to earn their own pay in Britain but deprive the next man of his pay by buying foreign.
It’s quite absurd to imagine we should all be making these decisions at the time of purchase. Do you really think every single product should come with a huge booklet of statistics and factoids that the individual consumer is supposed to scrutinise every time they want a pint of milk or a loaf of bread?
It’s as preposterous as those who say that those long standard-form terms and conditions that retailers impose on us, somehow bind us with our “consent”, as if the whole of society should spend their entire weekends trawling every bit of nonsense some shyster lawyer working for the retailer has spent years putting together and refining, and as if we have a realistic option to say “I don’t agree with these terms. I’ll just starve this week”.
I’ll have an eighth of whatever it is you’re smoking - seems to be some pretty strong stuff…
Roymondo:
msgyorkie:
GORDON 50:
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge.This ^^^^^^^^ 100%
We dont have a say in how much Marks and Sparks charge for a pair of pants, nor do we have a say in the price of a loave of bread!But we (collectively) certainly do have a say in these things. We could look at the pants on offer at M&S and say “No, I’m going to buy from a different shop who doesn’t source their pants from Vietnam (or wherever) even though they are more expensive.” Likewise we could choose to buy our bread from a shop who bakes the stuff on-site, using locally-sourced ingredients. But we no longer have that option because we (collectively) years ago opted instead for the lowest price.
Sorry bud but I disagree.
I go to M&S to buy my chinos. Not the cheapest but good quality and I can afford to shop there. Whatever M&S decide to charge for a pair of chinos I pay for them.
My local baker charges £1.52 for a white loaf. My local Morrisons charges £1. However the quality at the baker is far better and they sell out daily, because people are happy to pay more. Morrisons will sell the bread at a loss leader to entice footfall into their stores.
Therefore I as an individual have little say in the matter.
I get my duds via ebay these days. Don’t have any real probs buying pre-worn shirts, jackets or even britches for that matter.(had some spectacular clobber at ridiculously low coin). Mi socks and greggs are a different deal. M&S all the way.
manalishi:
Rjan:
Franglais:
LIBERTY_GUY:
I WOULD bring the army in… Not to drive the trucks, but to manage those companies. It is frightening to think that our sources of supply, to power our economy and put food on the shelves, has so many incompetents drifting around in some self induced haze at the top end.Gov takeover of private enterprise by military force?
Righto.
Would that be with a ■■■■■■■■, or hammer and sickle, flag?At least Mussolini made the trains run on time. We need politicians who will discipline bosses into working efficiently and effectively.
But the Mussolini option equates to…whisper it…Fascism and we can see clearly from these vermin in ermine that the hammer and sickle model runs through most of these jerks like the proverbial stick of rock. Common-Purpose drones each and every one of em.
Doesnt relate to fascism at all - remember the energy companies, water companies, public transport were all owned by us till they were sold off for nothing. Now its payback time. If private companies have brought the countrt to a standstill lets change things.
Roymondo:
Rjan:
…I’ll have an eighth of whatever it is you’re smoking - seems to be some pretty strong stuff…
There’s no stronger stuff to inhale, than reality itself!
Rjan:
Roymondo:
Rjan:
…I’ll have an eighth of whatever it is you’re smoking - seems to be some pretty strong stuff…
There’s no stronger stuff to inhale, than reality itself!
Some of that primo californian sativa weed comes awful close!
JeffA:
Rjan:
Roymondo:
Rjan:
…I’ll have an eighth of whatever it is you’re smoking - seems to be some pretty strong stuff…
There’s no stronger stuff to inhale, than reality itself!
Some of that primo californian sativa weed comes awful close!
The world is split twix those wanting to get out of their heads (booze) and those getting into their heads (hash)