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GORDON 50:
I’ve been trying to work out how much prices will rise if drivers were given a proper wage. Difficult to get to a figure but assuming each truck holds 26 pallets, so a £1.15 increase for each pallet assuming it’s on the truck for a whole day and the drivers getting an extra £30 for that days work. There could be 100s of single items on one pallet depending on what those items are obviously, and most items will have been on 2 or 3 other truck journeys either from the ports or manufacturers together with other items. I worked out that each item will go up by 0.003p to 0.007p, again depending on size. No doubt I’ve missed something here but whenever someone tells me about huge price rises in the shops because of greedy drivers I throw this at them.
there was a thread last week where it was worked out how much a tin of beans would go up. we basically assumed it was a whole load of beans nothing else and came up with the same price increase as you.
the thing is with the price increase it depends if the suppermarkets need to keep thier 100’s of million pound profets or they will loose a very small amount and keep the prices the same.
Not sure why goverment are discussing it .
And people are blaming them.
Not there fault as such.
It’s more the companies there not goverment owned…
It’s the companies at my fault for so long.relying on cheap labour.
Maxing drivers hours out and basically being incompetent.
As video says this was predicted years ago. and.companies buried there head in the sand.
What can the goverment do realisticy?
Maybe lower tax fuel duty.
Maybe do away with CPC courses.
Change drivers working. Hours etc which never happen
.
About all they can do.
I’m not sticking up for the government but not there fault as such…and. they can’t do much.
It’s down to the company owners this mess
edd1974:
Not sure why goverment are discussing it .
And people are blaming them.
Not there fault as such.
It’s more the companies there not goverment owned…
It’s the companies at my fault for so long.relying on cheap labour.
Maxing drivers hours out and basically being incompetent.
As video says this was predicted years ago. and.companies buried there head in the sand.What can the goverment do realisticy?
Maybe lower tax fuel duty.
Maybe do away with CPC courses.
Change drivers working. Hours etc which never happen
.
About all they can do.
I’m not sticking up for the government but not there fault as such…and. they can’t do much.
It’s down to the company owners this mess
What they can do, properly this time! Payment Terms. Not 180 days, not 90 days, not even 30 days. POD to be settled in 14 days. Tighten up on companies like “Here Today; Gone Tomorrow.”
If any new industrial areas are built, they must provide facilities for drivers and parking, so like a Bund Wall, there must be sufficient space to hold at least as many vehicles that deliver in 24 hours.
Fuel prices don’t really matter as you can pass those costs on and the duty has been held down for several years.
Town Centre and Industrial Area parking to be provided with facilities. They can do it in Europe. The Eastern Bloc drivers laugh at us. I don’t blame them for refusing to eat junk food from the motorway services and eating in their cabs.
Start a training scheme for youngsters at school, school trips to ports, factories etc. Get the girls and boys interested in how things get to the shop, home, factory.
It’s a big ask, but it’s a big problem and unrelated to climate change or Brexit.
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Franglais:
LIBERTY_GUY:
I WOULD bring the army in… Not to drive the trucks, but to manage those companies. It is frightening to think that our sources of supply, to power our economy and put food on the shelves, has so many incompetents drifting around in some self induced haze at the top end.Gov takeover of private enterprise by military force?
Righto.
Would that be with a ■■■■■■■■, or hammer and sickle, flag?
At least Mussolini made the trains run on time. We need politicians who will discipline bosses into working efficiently and effectively.
DCPCFML:
LIBERTY_GUY:
DCPCFML:
Bring the Army in… to manage businesses ? There are not enough ROFL emoticons available on the internet to give that comment the response it truly deserves.The last paragraph was in levity, but the fact that everything else above that paragraph is ignored, brings in the point that the entire industry is running around like a headless chicken - including many drivers.
House of Lords shouldn’t be wasting their time pandering to incompetent business owners.
I quite agree. Government should keep their beaks out for once and let the market find its own level. If that means a tin of beans goes up by 10p because none of us will haul our arses up off the sofa for less than 30 quid an hour, so be it.
I must say I’m disappointed to see the likes of Shipley Transport and Longs of Leeds still in business. Clearly there’s still plenty of drivers out there who refuse to grow a pair and will work for a few pence above minimum wage.
Longs of Leeds are now paying £12 per hour. I believe Shipley have put their money up too although could be wrong.
shullbit:
Saw a job advertised yesterday for a driver trainer for Widnes and Catterick garrison, maybe its just a normal advert, or maybe they are going to be training some troops up…christmas is coming, the government will not want empty shelves then.
Next we will be hearing of a soldier shortage
GORDON 50:
I’ve been trying to work out how much prices will rise if drivers were given a proper wage. Difficult to get to a figure but assuming each truck holds 26 pallets, so a £1.15 increase for each pallet assuming it’s on the truck for a whole day and the drivers getting an extra £30 for that days work. There could be 100s of single items on one pallet depending on what those items are obviously, and most items will have been on 2 or 3 other truck journeys either from the ports or manufacturers together with other items. I worked out that each item will go up by 0.003p to 0.007p, again depending on size. No doubt I’ve missed something here but whenever someone tells me about huge price rises in the shops because of greedy drivers I throw this at them.
Yes,I thoight this too.I met anagency driver on £30 an hour and he felt a little guilty that the cost was goinv to be passed on to customers in thd shop,but then I reminded him £1000 a day to run an artic with a fridge trailer,so they pay us an extra 5k a year,its only small change
Yorkshire Tramper:
I think that the supermarkets are equally to blame for the crisis themselves. They are dictating how much they can charge for a tin of beans etc, how much to stock and what time they expect their deliveries, 10 mins over their allotted time they simply turn away a truck that may have been travelling to them for most of the day. They make maximum profit on the back of getting deliveries from a haulier at minimum cost. Then expect the government to step in and sort out because of their greed. No chance of becoming an owner driver because of the cut throat pricing with hauliers buying in work. One small problem with you’re truck that can send you into liquidation. There is no quick fix to this problem as even if food prices rose, the supermarkets would simply see this as extra profit for their share holders and this would not be passed down the chain to help the hauliers to recruit more drivers and improve their additional costs. They think it is everyone elses problem to fix with government money or to bring in cheap labour from other third world poor countrys. Hauliers should sort their problems out themselves. Pay a decent rate to their drivers and pass this additional cost onto their customers, The supermarkets have two options, raise food prices to meet the same profit levels or take a cut in profits and stop paying huge dividends to their share holders. Hauliers need to stop the cut throat buying of contracts and charge the rate they need to pay their drivers. It really is that simple. The government know it too, hence the house of Lords and the government refusing to take responsibililty. Bring back rates that would allow owner operators to once again become feasible and profitable. There is no shortage of drivers just a shortage of moral and drivers that are not prepared to work for a minimum wage and forced to work 60 hrs in order to earn a wage that should be paid for a 40 hr.
I think there’s a strong argument for the ‘John Lewis’ model of employee stakeholder models of operation where everyone (with ancestry going back centuries) as a way to deal with the outmoded current dynamic of private shareholder jamboreeism we have endured ad infinitum. Seems to me an option whose time has come. Long overdue in fact.
Rjan:
Franglais:
LIBERTY_GUY:
I WOULD bring the army in… Not to drive the trucks, but to manage those companies. It is frightening to think that our sources of supply, to power our economy and put food on the shelves, has so many incompetents drifting around in some self induced haze at the top end.Gov takeover of private enterprise by military force?
Righto.
Would that be with a ■■■■■■■■, or hammer and sickle, flag?At least Mussolini made the trains run on time. We need politicians who will discipline bosses into working efficiently and effectively.
But the Mussolini option equates to…whisper it…Fascism and we can see clearly from these vermin in ermine that the hammer and sickle model runs through most of these jerks like the proverbial stick of rock. Common-Purpose drones each and every one of em.
weeto:
At least 1 got it right and put the blame squarely on the haulage industry it’s self for paying poor wages having poor terms and conditions, having bad management and a failure to offer training to the next generation of drivers, even though there is government funding available for this, some are but not enough, and the companies are blaming others for their failure to recruit drivers.
You have got it in one my mate , haulage industry created the situation by paying ■■■■ poor wages , relying on e.u cheap labour
Yorkshire Tramper:
I think that the supermarkets are equally to blame for the crisis themselves. They are dictating how much they can charge for a tin of beans etc, how much to stock and what time they expect their deliveries, 10 mins over their allotted time they simply turn away a truck that may have been travelling to them for most of the day. They make maximum profit on the back of getting deliveries from a haulier at minimum cost. Then expect the government to step in and sort out because of their greed. No chance of becoming an owner driver because of the cut throat pricing with hauliers buying in work. One small problem with you’re truck that can send you into liquidation. There is no quick fix to this problem as even if food prices rose, the supermarkets would simply see this as extra profit for their share holders and this would not be passed down the chain to help the hauliers to recruit more drivers and improve their additional costs. They think it is everyone elses problem to fix with government money or to bring in cheap labour from other third world poor countrys. Hauliers should sort their problems out themselves. Pay a decent rate to their drivers and pass this additional cost onto their customers, The supermarkets have two options, raise food prices to meet the same profit levels or take a cut in profits and stop paying huge dividends to their share holders. Hauliers need to stop the cut throat buying of contracts and charge the rate they need to pay their drivers. It really is that simple. The government know it too, hence the house of Lords and the government refusing to take responsibililty. Bring back rates that would allow owner operators to once again become feasible and profitable. There is no shortage of drivers just a shortage of moral and drivers that are not prepared to work for a minimum wage and forced to work 60 hrs in order to earn a wage that should be paid for a 40 hr.
Absolutely spot on, it’s been heading this way for years. The government need to take a bit of responsibility for the decline in conditions though. They should not of let local councils close the town centre lorry parks, shouldn’t let them double yellow the industrial estates and they should stop planning permission for the new build industrial parks until they provide free over night parking areas, not some cretin in a van trying to slap a clamp on as soon as your wheels stop turning. And as for Kent council………
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Yorkshire Tramper:
I think that the supermarkets are equally to blame for the crisis themselves. They are dictating how much they can charge for a tin of beans etc, how much to stock and what time they expect their deliveries, 10 mins over their allotted time they simply turn away a truck that may have been travelling to them for most of the day. They make maximum profit on the back of getting deliveries from a haulier at minimum cost. Then expect the government to step in and sort out because of their greed. No chance of becoming an owner driver because of the cut throat pricing with hauliers buying in work. One small problem with you’re truck that can send you into liquidation. There is no quick fix to this problem as even if food prices rose, the supermarkets would simply see this as extra profit for their share holders and this would not be passed down the chain to help the hauliers to recruit more drivers and improve their additional costs. They think it is everyone elses problem to fix with government money or to bring in cheap labour from other third world poor countrys. Hauliers should sort their problems out themselves. Pay a decent rate to their drivers and pass this additional cost onto their customers, The supermarkets have two options, raise food prices to meet the same profit levels or take a cut in profits and stop paying huge dividends to their share holders. Hauliers need to stop the cut throat buying of contracts and charge the rate they need to pay their drivers. It really is that simple. The government know it too, hence the house of Lords and the government refusing to take responsibililty. Bring back rates that would allow owner operators to once again become feasible and profitable. There is no shortage of drivers just a shortage of moral and drivers that are not prepared to work for a minimum wage and forced to work 60 hrs in order to earn a wage that should be paid for a 40 hr.Absolutely spot on, it’s been heading this way for years. The government need to take a bit of responsibility for the decline in conditions though. They should not of let local councils close the town centre lorry parks, shouldn’t let them double yellow the industrial estates and they should stop planning permission for the new build industrial parks until they provide free over night parking areas, not some cretin in a van trying to slap a clamp on as soon as your wheels stop turning. And as for Kent council………
Definately agree with all of that.
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And not just ‘New’ industrial-estates, how about the existing ones for crying out loud. Do they really need to be ploughing up more valuable land ffs ?
The whole of England morphing into one giant urban-concrete-sprawl is a vision of pure hell.
If Unions are not for everybody (although tbh I can not see why when you consider how better t.s and c.s are in union firms…fact) maybe we should have some kind of official (or unofficial) industry spokesman, one who could put our points of view across,.and liaise with the Govt etc on all this stuff that needs sorted.
Preferably somebody who can hold an intelligent conversation and debate, and one who definitely does not come across as a bit thick, as some do who are always dragged out for comment on certain radio shows.
Our own Luke would be a good candidate I reckon…I mean he’s going jack all at the moment anyway. 
Looking at all the depots being constructed across the UK right now - this “shortage” can only get worse, unless the firm re-defines HGV driving to be “A vacancy easily filled”.
It is still too early to know if the government intends to push wages back to mininum again, the moment this current “shortage crisis” of their own making (for dragging their feet over Brexit for more than five years…) comes to an end…
What we’re seeing taking place around the country now - should have been happening during the Autumn of 2016 ffs!
I hear they are looking into reanimating Peter Sutcliffe. Pete back at full speed should get us through this tough time.
JeffA:
I hear they are looking into reanimating Peter Sutcliffe. Pete back at full speed should get us through this tough time.
…if only such a zombie could be direct at the people most deserving of such wrath - Beaurocrats, acting managers, MPs, and other officialdom figures that have killed so many of us with their inaction, bile, and selective enforcements… 
It’s not the fault of the government, it’s not the fault of the haulage bosses, it’s not the fault of the greedy supermarkets. The responsibility for this situation lies almost entirely with us, the great British public who continually demand that our stuff (be it food, consumer tat, or anything else) be supplied to us at the lowest possible price without any consideration of the consequences (financial, environmental and societal) further down the line. Was it Oscar Wilde who wrote that a cynic knows the price of everything but the value of nothing? We’re all cynics.
Roymondo:
It’s not the fault of the government, it’s not the fault of the haulage bosses, it’s not the fault of the greedy supermarkets. The responsibility for this situation lies almost entirely with us, the great British public who continually demand that our stuff (be it food, consumer tat, or anything else) be supplied to us at the lowest possible price without any consideration of the consequences (financial, environmental and societal) further down the line. Was it Oscar Wilde who wrote that a cynic knows the price of everything but the value of nothing? We’re all cynics.
I disagree, we pay what the shops charge. The retailers assume we all want everything for peanuts so started the race to the bottom themselves.