High electricity & gas prices!

Winseer:
Gas prices have now more than halved this year…

Funny how the establishment are still setting us up to pay even MORE by next april now…

It is about time that the entire energy complex - got nationalized - or at least taxed to the hilt.

“Windfall Taxes” cannot be permitted to propel Labour to power, who are likely to overturn Brexit before wiping their feet on Number 10’s doormat!

Charts

Artificial punitive gas pricing, to make it less attractive v electric, is openly stated government policy.
Notice that the climate scammers among the Cons now want Boris back after Truss showed her relatively pro fossil fuel hand.
Prepare for a ban on red diesel for private generator use and solid fuel stoves as part of the scam being ramped up by April 23.

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Gas prices have now more than halved this year…

Funny how the establishment are still setting us up to pay even MORE by next april now…

It is about time that the entire energy complex - got nationalized - or at least taxed to the hilt.

“Windfall Taxes” cannot be permitted to propel Labour to power, who are likely to overturn Brexit before wiping their feet on Number 10’s doormat!

Charts

Artificial punitive gas pricing, to make it less attractive v electric, is openly stated government policy.
Notice that the climate scammers among the Cons now want Boris back after Truss showed her relatively pro fossil fuel hand.
Prepare for a ban on red diesel for private generator use and solid fuel stoves as part of the scam being ramped up by April 23.

I thought Red Diesel - had already been phased out by this point? If you’ve still got any left, then it’s now illegal to use it, I thought? :confused:
I’ve been putting white diesel in belly tanks for months already…

Electric - is costing us a lot more than Gas in any case.

I don’t have the live chart link for Electric though…

Without cheap Electric, all the other R&D future - comes to naught. When the first electric car generation - dies the death, and it then turns out it costs a fortune to properly dispose of all these environmentally harmful materials - people will yearn for an old fashioned petroleum “Classic Car” like a Ford Fiesta… Imagine that! Old Bangers worth the sort of money that E-Type Jags are today

My energy company (Octopus Energy) are going further afield to obtain green renewable energy to power all those proposed heat pumps that they want to replace gas boilers with :open_mouth: & have signed up to getting a renewable source of energy all the way from Morocco via a 3800km undersea cable :open_mouth: electricalcontractingnews.com/n … m-morocco/

Winseer:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Gas prices have now more than halved this year…

Funny how the establishment are still setting us up to pay even MORE by next april now…

It is about time that the entire energy complex - got nationalized - or at least taxed to the hilt.

“Windfall Taxes” cannot be permitted to propel Labour to power, who are likely to overturn Brexit before wiping their feet on Number 10’s doormat!

Charts

Artificial punitive gas pricing, to make it less attractive v electric, is openly stated government policy.
Notice that the climate scammers among the Cons now want Boris back after Truss showed her relatively pro fossil fuel hand.
Prepare for a ban on red diesel for private generator use and solid fuel stoves as part of the scam being ramped up by April 23.

I thought Red Diesel - had already been phased out by this point? If you’ve still got any left, then it’s now illegal to use it, I thought? :confused:
I’ve been putting white diesel in belly tanks for months already…

Electric - is costing us a lot more than Gas in any case.

I don’t have the live chart link for Electric though…

Without cheap Electric, all the other R&D future - comes to naught. When the first electric car generation - dies the death, and it then turns out it costs a fortune to properly dispose of all these environmentally harmful materials - people will yearn for an old fashioned petroleum “Classic Car” like a Ford Fiesta… Imagine that! Old Bangers worth the sort of money that E-Type Jags are today

You can’t use red diesel for plant used for commercial purposes.
But you can still use it to fuel a generator used for private purposes.

lancpudn:
My energy company (Octopus Energy) are going further afield to obtain green renewable energy to power all those proposed heat pumps that they want to replace gas boilers with :open_mouth: & have signed up to getting a renewable source of energy all the way from Morocco via a 3800km undersea cable :open_mouth: electricalcontractingnews.com/n … m-morocco/

Which leaves the inconvenient fact that coal and gas are the cheapest way to fuel electricity generation.
Renewables are the most expensive.
Solar being one of the most uneconomic options like nuclear.Solar panels are hopelessly inefficient v their purchase and installation costs.

I got a reply back from OFGEM this afternoon after a fter ‘Which Magazine’ asked for people to get on their case questioning the price cap mythology.

Feedback Feedback@ofgem.gov.uk

Good afternoon,

Complaint Response (CMPT0550)

Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your concerns, which we have recorded as a complaint. I understand that you are unhappy with the price cap methodology in relation to the EBIT and Headroom allowances.

To address the concerns you have raised, I would like to provide you with the following information.

Supplier profit

I’d like to begin by addressing supplier profits. Ofgem, on behalf of customers, carefully monitors the financial health of their suppliers, and most are not currently turning a profit at all, which puts them at risk of failure, disrupting supply and increasing costs for consumers, particularly the most vulnerable, which is our ultimate concern.

The price cap applies to companies’ domestic retail business. The profits you may be referring to from some companies were not from their retail businesses, but from oil and gas extraction, which is not an area regulated by Ofgem.

  1. Will you change the EBIT calculation from 1.9% of other costs to a fixed £10 per household?

We are currently reviewing the EBIT allowance. We published a policy consultation on the 26 August, which is now closed. In our consultation, we considered alternative approaches to the current scaling, such as a fixed absolute term.

We noted the range of factors to be taken into account in the consultation document, which could have varying impacts, and therefore the need to assess whether the current EBIT allowance level delivers an appropriate rate of return for efficient suppliers. We intend to continue this consultation process going forward. We welcome further responses to consultations in the normal course.

You can sign up for any consultation and receive an email update when it passes from one stage to the next. All consultations are available to view on our website.

  1. Will you change the Headroom Allowance calculation from 1.46% of other costs to a fixed £10 per household?

The headroom allowance is one of the ways we recognise the net cost pressure of uncertainties that are not already included in our efficient benchmark. In our 2018 decision, we decided that it is appropriate for headroom to scale in line with all cost components except network costs. We think this approach is reasonable because it avoids an allowance either over-scaling and undermining protection for consumers, or under-scaling and exposing suppliers to potential risks.

We currently do not intend to review the headroom allowance. However, as with all cost components, where there is evidence of material and systematic changes in costs, we will consider cost reviews.

  1. How do you plan to reintroduce competition to the market and force domestic energy suppliers to once again offer cheaper fixed rate tariffs?

We regulate the energy suppliers in the way we deem best to protect the interests of consumers including by promoting competition. The Domestic Gas and Electricity (Tariff Cap) Act 2018 (the Act) sets us the objective of protecting existing and future customers who pay standard and default rates. There are currently non-SVT tariffs on the market for consumers to access that do not fall under the objective of the Act, such as fixed tariffs. Apart from limiting what suppliers can charge on standard variable and default tariffs, we have no power to dictate the prices suppliers charge. These are commercial decisions for energy companies to make based on their assessments of the wholesale and retail markets.

However, due to global market conditions, exacerbated by Russia’s actions, we continue to see much higher wholesale energy prices than normal. As a result, average fixed rate tariffs continue to exceed the cap level. We expect that once wholesale energy prices return to normal levels, suppliers will begin to offer a wider variety of non-SVT tariffs once more.

The rise in global energy prices is unprecedented and Ofgem is deeply conscious of the worrying impact high energy bills are having, and will continue to have, on consumers across Great Britain. Ofgem is completely focused on doing all we can to support consumers through this crisis.

Thank you for taking the time to raise this issue with us.

If you are not satisfied with how Ofgem have handled your complaint, you can ask for it to be reviewed. The purpose of the complaint review is to ensure your complaint was investigated thoroughly in the first instance, and that all relevant information was supplied. Please visit our website for details of complaint review process.

Yours sincerely,

Jonathan Anton

Engagement Analyst - Complaints

Reading Martin Lewis’s piece on the Autumn statement makes for grim reading for middle earners which he outlined as people earning between £20k-£50k.

“The ‘squeezed middle’ is most likely to feel the pinch of Jeremy Hunt’s autumn statement, Martin Lewis has warned. The money saving expert warned that some ‘middle earners’ - which he outlined as people on salaries between £20k and £50k a year - are likely to suffer most following the £55bn worth of tax hikes and spending cuts announced by the government on Thursday. The chancellor’s measures included freezes to income tax thresholds, increases in council tax, and confirmation that energy bills will rise. While benefits and pensions will increase in line with inflation, there will be less support when it comes to energy bills for those in the so-called ‘squeezed middle’, with the energy price guarantee rising to £3,000 from April.”

"Treasury analysis suggested that 55% of households will be worse off as a result of the changes, while Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), said the hit to living standards would be “simply staggering”. Economists at the Resolution Foundation think tank said the plans pile further pressure on those in the “squeezed middle”, who face a permanent 3.7% income hit, which is bigger than the very richest. They said wages would be £15,000 higher if they had continued to grow at their pre-financial crisis rate rather than face “this unprecedented 19-year pay downturn”. Speaking on LBC, he commended extra support for the poorest households in the country, but said middle earners will have to deal with rises to mortgage or rent payments whilst also receiving less support with energy bills in the form of the £400 payment made this year by the government. "Those who are in the squeezd middle who had that £400 help last year will both see an increase in their energy bills to £3,000 and won’t get the £400 help. That gives you in totality a rise of around 41% on energy bills that have already doubled this year. “That £3,000 for a typical house, … if we take that as a total, that is just an enormous whack. If you’re earning £27,000, £3,000 a year on energy alone - not your mortgage, not your rent, not anything else - is an enormous whack. And that’s why it is people in the middle who are really going to feel the squeeze.”

Carryfast:
Solar being one of the most uneconomic options like nuclear.Solar panels are hopelessly inefficient v their purchase and installation costs.

I know my economics are different to a house dweller but the solar installation I had fitted to my narrowboat had paid for itself within a year, There’s also the fact that harvesting the sun’s energy has to be better than using the Earth’s finite resources.

Harry Monk:

Carryfast:
Solar being one of the most uneconomic options like nuclear.Solar panels are hopelessly inefficient v their purchase and installation costs.

I know my economics are different to a house dweller but the solar installation I had fitted to my narrowboat had paid for itself within a year, There’s also the fact that harvesting the sun’s energy has to be better than using the Earth’s finite resources.

We can see the same logic being applied in wiping out swathes of food providing agricultural land to turn it into a sterile dust bowl under acres of solar panels.
All under the guise of the climate scam.
What figures would show any break even point in a year in addition to the fact that this country isn’t known for its sunny climate and there’s no sun at night.If it was true everyone would have gone off grid long ago.
Bearing in mind that the idea of a centrally heated house is now economically unviable.
All so that our cheap safe fossil fuel resources can be exported.

Gas price continues to be weak… No sniff of any drop in retail rates though. :imp:

Not helping - Price of “Energy Saving Bulbs” - seems to be the same price but for a ONE pack these days. :imp:

Has everyone got their cash deposits back from defunct energy billers yet?

Carryfast:

Harry Monk:

Carryfast:
Solar being one of the most uneconomic options like nuclear.Solar panels are hopelessly inefficient v their purchase and installation costs.

I know my economics are different to a house dweller but the solar installation I had fitted to my narrowboat had paid for itself within a year, There’s also the fact that harvesting the sun’s energy has to be better than using the Earth’s finite resources.

We can see the same logic being applied in wiping out swathes of food providing agricultural land to turn it into a sterile dust bowl under acres of solar panels.
All under the guise of the climate scam.
What figures would show any break even point in a year in addition to the fact that this country isn’t known for its sunny climate and there’s no sun at night.If it was true everyone would have gone off grid long ago.
Bearing in mind that the idea of a centrally heated house is now economically unviable.
All so that our cheap safe fossil fuel resources can be exported.

Putin’s “Land Grab” strategy in the Farmlands of former Ukraine - makes more sense by the hour then, doesn’t it?

He doesn’t plan to take over the entire country, merely keep the four bits he took, and has since lost one back of.

The original atrocities by the Azovs against the ethnic Russian population in Kherson - are now on public display, under the heading of “Extra judicial killings of Collaborators” - which might wash now, but it forgets the 8 years of “ethnic cleansing” that triggered Russia to invade in the FIRST place.

When does NATO advocate an invasion of Mainland China over the Rohingya yuman rights abuses going on there?
Why didn’t NATO advocate a “peacekeeping Force” occupy Ukraine when Putin massed his troops on the border - or since, come to that?
Why does NATO argue that the only way to stop this war is for Putin to hand himself over to the Hague, which effectively guarantees the war continuing now - until Ukraine is ashes?

Used £268 gas / elec this month , shocked to be honest as normally were apx £70 pm , and I was moaning about how much d/ d was , aunts d/d has gone upto £238 pm ( 80,on her own , no sympathetic letter , just make sure you’ve enough funds in your bank account )
Feel for the youngsters , mortgages , kids , how they pay these bills + mortgage + food I don’t know , shocking

dozy:
Used £268 gas / elec this month , shocked to be honest as normally were apx £70 pm

That’s either an impossibly low usage.Or an over optimistic averaged type pre payment type of tarrif.In which case the shock hasn’t actually arrived yet when they want the shortfall made up
Let alone after April when the temporary price subsidy ends.
Putting up electric from around 30p per kWh to 50p per kWh and gas from around 10p per kWh to 15p per kWh.Bearing in mind it takes around 15-20 kWh to run the average domestic hot water and heating boiler.
My electric bill alone is over £100 and I don’t even use electric for cooking.

Carryfast:
Bearing in mind it takes around 15-20 kWh to run the average domestic hot water and heating boiler.
.

Yet another meaningless quote from someone who demonstrably has no grasp on what the numbers actually mean.

15-20 kWh to run the boiler for how long? A day? A week? A month? An hour? 5 minutes?

It’s just as useful as saying it takes a gallon of petrol to run the average car.

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Roymondo:
15-20 kWh to run the boiler for how long? A day? A week? A month? An hour? 5 minutes?

15-20 kWh means 15-20 kilowatts per hour, that’s what the “h” stands for.

Roymondo:

Carryfast:
Bearing in mind it takes around 15-20 kWh to run the average domestic hot water and heating boiler.
.

Yet another meaningless quote from someone who demonstrably has no grasp on what the numbers actually mean.

15-20 kWh to run the boiler for how long? A day? A week? A month? An hour? 5 minutes?

It’s just as useful as saying it takes a gallon of petrol to run the average car.

A gallon of petrol will get an average car around 30 miles up the road.
My gas usage last month was well over 1,500 kWh at 10p per kWh + VAT including the government’s 5p price cap discount which will be removed in April.
That’s only using the heating for less than 8 radiators in an average semi-detached house for 4 hours per day max and hot water and cooking use for one person.

Carryfast:

Roymondo:

Carryfast:
Bearing in mind it takes around 15-20 kWh to run the average domestic hot water and heating boiler.
.

Yet another meaningless quote from someone who demonstrably has no grasp on what the numbers actually mean.

15-20 kWh to run the boiler for how long? A day? A week? A month? An hour? 5 minutes?

It’s just as useful as saying it takes a gallon of petrol to run the average car.

A gallon of petrol will get an average car around 30 miles up the road.
My gas usage last month was well over 1,500 kWh at 10p per kWh + VAT including the government’s 5p price cap discount which will be removed in April.
That’s only using the heating for less than 8 radiators in an average semi-detached house for 4 hours per day max and hot water and cooking use for one person.

1500 KWh over a 30 day month is 50 KWh per day. But you state that heating typically is 15-20 KWh
More detailed explanation would be helpful

Buckstones:

Carryfast:
My gas usage last month was well over 1,500 kWh at 10p per kWh + VAT including the government’s 5p price cap discount which will be removed in April.
That’s only using the heating for less than 8 radiators in an average semi-detached house for 4 hours per day max and hot water and cooking use for one person.

1500 KWh over a 30 day month is 50 KWh per day. But you state that heating typically is 15-20 KWh
More detailed explanation would be helpful

4 hours x 15kwh x 30 = around 1,800 kWh.
Just like my bill says it is.

Harry Monk:

Roymondo:
15-20 kWh to run the boiler for how long? A day? A week? A month? An hour? 5 minutes?

15-20 kWh means 15-20 kilowatts per hour, that’s what the “h” stands for.

It means nothing of the sort. To get the kilowatt-hour (kWh) figure you multiply the kilowatts drawn by the time over which it is drawn. Draw 1kW for 15 hours and that’s 15kWh. Draw 15 kW for one hour and that’s also 15 kWh. Draw 150kW for 6 minutes and that’s also 15 kWh.

Buckstones:

Carryfast:

Roymondo:

Carryfast:
Bearing in mind it takes around 15-20 kWh to run the average domestic hot water and heating boiler.
.

Yet another meaningless quote from someone who demonstrably has no grasp on what the numbers actually mean.

15-20 kWh to run the boiler for how long? A day? A week? A month? An hour? 5 minutes?

It’s just as useful as saying it takes a gallon of petrol to run the average car.

A gallon of petrol will get an average car around 30 miles up the road.
My gas usage last month was well over 1,500 kWh at 10p per kWh + VAT including the government’s 5p price cap discount which will be removed in April.
That’s only using the heating for less than 8 radiators in an average semi-detached house for 4 hours per day max and hot water and cooking use for one person.

1500 KWh over a 30 day month is 50 KWh per day. But you state that heating typically is 15-20 KWh
More detailed explanation would be helpful

You won’t get one - all you’ll get is more meaningless drivel until you finally give up. It’s how he works. He simply does not grasp the difference between kilowatts (which is a measure of the rate at which energy is used) and kilowatt-hours (which is a measure of the quantity of energy used).