HGV stopped at Thornham over hours

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tonyfashlink:
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He was busy, he had to get home for Christmas, No British driver would ever have done that !!!,

i think its a double edged sword there by vosa.
if the companies in western europe can get away with paying flipflops the wages that they would normally get if they lived and worked at home even though they are working in sweden,holland,belgium etc,IE 250 euro per month.
then by the same rule,is there an argument to only be fined corresponding to the wages they can earn.
im not saying they should be allowed to be exempt from hours or fines,but if ikea/volvo can sub to companies in europe paying drivers a cpl hundred quid a month,then their fines that they have to pay should reflect their income n the same way you get means tested in the uk when your up in court and awaiting the penalty.
mr parked up jakobski is now having to pay approximately 4 months wages for doing a bit of overtime whereas if i got caught ( perish the thought ) its just over 1 weeks wages for the same offence.
not exactly a level playing field.
its ok though if your caught for something in eastern europe for us though.
200 marlboro ,a bottle of smirnoff and a jazz mag still gets you away with most things.

Expensive overnight. I’d say it frees up a space in a layby but it doesn’t as they’ve kept it lit for however many days :laughing:

dieseldog999:
i think its a double edged sword there by vosa.
if the companies in western europe can get away with paying flipflops the wages that they would normally get if they lived and worked at home even though they are working in sweden,holland,belgium etc,IE 250 euro per month.
then by the same rule,is there an argument to only be fined corresponding to the wages they can earn.
im not saying they should be allowed to be exempt from hours or fines,but if ikea/volvo can sub to companies in europe paying drivers a cpl hundred quid a month,then their fines that they have to pay should reflect their income n the same way you get means tested in the uk when your up in court and awaiting the penalty.
mr parked up jakobski is now having to pay approximately 4 months wages for doing a bit of overtime whereas if i got caught ( perish the thought ) its just over 1 weeks wages for the same offence.
not exactly a level playing field.
its ok though if your caught for something in eastern europe for us though.
200 marlboro ,a bottle of smirnoff and a jazz mag still gets you away with most things.

Easy solution, stick to the rules.

Captain Caveman 76:

dieseldog999:
i think its a double edged sword there by vosa.
if the companies in western europe can get away with paying flipflops the wages that they would normally get if they lived and worked at home even though they are working in sweden,holland,belgium etc,IE 250 euro per month.
then by the same rule,is there an argument to only be fined corresponding to the wages they can earn.
im not saying they should be allowed to be exempt from hours or fines,but if ikea/volvo can sub to companies in europe paying drivers a cpl hundred quid a month,then their fines that they have to pay should reflect their income n the same way you get means tested in the uk when your up in court and awaiting the penalty.
mr parked up jakobski is now having to pay approximately 4 months wages for doing a bit of overtime whereas if i got caught ( perish the thought ) its just over 1 weeks wages for the same offence.
not exactly a level playing field.
its ok though if your caught for something in eastern europe for us though.
200 marlboro ,a bottle of smirnoff and a jazz mag still gets you away with most things.

Easy solution, stick to the rules.

Of course. But let’s face it I suspect that not one person can say they’ve never broken any rules whether by accident or on purpose.

I do think DD has a point reference proportionate punishment according to wages and let’s face it recent broadcasts have highlighted the pay and conditions these guys are working in.

So yeah obviously they shouldn’t flout the law and of course it does seem like a high proportion of those caught are EE drivers, but to lose four months wages effectively would ■■■■■■■ the majority of folks

9 hours over in 14 days, lets say 11 days working, so less than an hour a day.

I assume as the Police haven’t mentioned it and I suppose they would to prove what a potential kitten murderer he may be, it appears in this period he never exceeded his daily driving limits or not had his breaks and he done 4 reduced rests, but no mention of how much those rests were reduced by, was it 9 hour or was it 10 hours 55 and a ■■■■ up starting in the morning?

Its like the headlines of the driver had been driving for 2 days without a rest, this horrifies mr and mrs joe public, but when you actually read the full details, it turns out that the driver had a rest period of 8 hours 50 minutes, but missed 10 minutes of a daily rest period doesn’t make a good headline.

muckles:
9 hours over in 14 days, lets say 11 days working, so less than an hour a day.

I assume as the Police haven’t mentioned it and I suppose they would to prove what a potential kitten murderer he may be, it appears in this period he never exceeded his daily driving limits or not had his breaks and he done 4 reduced rests, but no mention of how much those rests were reduced by, was it 9 hour or was it 10 hours 55 and a [zb] up starting in the morning?

Its like the headlines of the driver had been driving for 2 days without a rest, this horrifies mr and mrs joe public, but when you actually read the full details, it turns out that the driver had a rest period of 8 hours 50 minutes, but missed 10 minutes of a daily rest period doesn’t make a good headline.

Thank goodness for the voice of reason.

Angus willy waving again?

Virtually impossible to argue against these sort of things but it seems very disproportionate. Yes rules is rules, public safety-level playing field, protect the nuns and kittens etc, but I can’t help notice this stuff regularly appearing on social media almost like a justification of the DVSA’s excistence.

The Police are the worst for this sort of blatant ego rubbing but strange they never mention catching real criminals.

But like most of us here who where on frisby tachos and log books, we’ve done much worse.

Perhaps their time would be better spent putting more DVSA/Police presence on the motorways, bugger me lads we’ve had to put up with some special cases this week and make extreme allowances for nervous/inexperienced drivers using our roads. But then again that’s what being a professional driver is all about.

At one point this week on the M6 I had to protect a car doing 45 as the kids in the back where having a party and the driver was all over the shop, luckily they pulled into Keele services.

Jeez!
Collect your rocks at the entrance for the public stoning!
As has been pointed out,what are the FULL facts?
On a side note,would a cop have the discretion to say ,“okay,youve done wrong,Im parking you up,no need for further action?”,or is it just jobsworthism?
On a side note,I see one of the responses to the tweet was from some clown (a driver)in Chesterfield,who reckons once Brexit is complete,all this will go away!
What a winker.

99 hours in one week would of been more impressive.

Its not much atal, as muckles said, but its not 10 minutes either. Its and extra shift so still quite substantial.

At the end of the day if you break the rules, you cant moan when you get caught, and punished. Its the same when playing driving time roulette, i reguarly play it when leaving calais, theres a bp services pretty much bang on 41/2 hours drive towards metz, but a slow drive out the port, or roadworks, problems at the peages etc have seen me rolling in a minute or two over time once or twice. It leaves me worrying for 28 days, but if i get caught iv only got my self to blame.

Captain Caveman 76:

dieseldog999:
i think its a double edged sword there by vosa.
if the companies in western europe can get away with paying flipflops the wages that they would normally get if they lived and worked at home even though they are working in sweden,holland,belgium etc,IE 250 euro per month.
then by the same rule,is there an argument to only be fined corresponding to the wages they can earn.
im not saying they should be allowed to be exempt from hours or fines,but if ikea/volvo can sub to companies in europe paying drivers a cpl hundred quid a month,then their fines that they have to pay should reflect their income n the same way you get means tested in the uk when your up in court and awaiting the penalty.
mr parked up jakobski is now having to pay approximately 4 months wages for doing a bit of overtime whereas if i got caught ( perish the thought ) its just over 1 weeks wages for the same offence.
not exactly a level playing field.
its ok though if your caught for something in eastern europe for us though.
200 marlboro ,a bottle of smirnoff and a jazz mag still gets you away with most things.

Easy solution, stick to the rules.

+1

muckles:
9 hours over in 14 days, lets say 11 days working, so less than an hour a day.

I assume as the Police haven’t mentioned it and I suppose they would to prove what a potential kitten murderer he may be, it appears in this period he never exceeded his daily driving limits or not had his breaks and he done 4 reduced rests, but no mention of how much those rests were reduced by, was it 9 hour or was it 10 hours 55 and a [zb] up starting in the morning?

Its like the headlines of the driver had been driving for 2 days without a rest, this horrifies mr and mrs joe public, but when you actually read the full details, it turns out that the driver had a rest period of 8 hours 50 minutes, but missed 10 minutes of a daily rest period doesn’t make a good headline.

You appear to assume and suppose quite a bit. Here’s one of mine, I assume he knows the law?

cav551:
Angus willy waving again?

Has he transferred to GMP?

whiplash:
Jeez!
Collect your rocks at the entrance for the public stoning!
As has been pointed out,what are the FULL facts?
On a side note,would a cop have the discretion to say ,“okay,youve done wrong,Im parking you up,no need for further action?”,or is it just jobsworthism?
On a side note,I see one of the responses to the tweet was from some clown (a driver)in Chesterfield,who reckons once Brexit is complete,all this will go away!
What a winker.

He broke the law, was caught and got a fine and a prohibition. Enough facts there for you?

We all break the law !!

TiredAndEmotional:

muckles:
9 hours over in 14 days, lets say 11 days working, so less than an hour a day.

I assume as the Police haven’t mentioned it and I suppose they would to prove what a potential kitten murderer he may be, it appears in this period he never exceeded his daily driving limits or not had his breaks and he done 4 reduced rests, but no mention of how much those rests were reduced by, was it 9 hour or was it 10 hours 55 and a [zb] up starting in the morning?

Its like the headlines of the driver had been driving for 2 days without a rest, this horrifies mr and mrs joe public, but when you actually read the full details, it turns out that the driver had a rest period of 8 hours 50 minutes, but missed 10 minutes of a daily rest period doesn’t make a good headline.

You appear to assume and suppose quite a bit. Here’s one of mine, I assume he knows the law?

And you’re assuming I don’t think he should be fined.

Non story. No kittens squashed (most important) and no puppies mangled…keep it lit… :stuck_out_tongue: