Sploom:
I class the catholic sysyem as a man made false religion so its acceptable and indeed necessary for me to get out of it.You are right,we all fall short of Gods standard,thats in the Bible,isnt it.
There is none rightous,not even one,doesnt it say
Yes so there must be plenty of room at the inn in heaven or Hell must be absolutely rammed for room.
“You are - what you eat”.
yes quite
By the way,thinking about purgatory,I dont believe it exists,but you said the pope might have the power to move people on out of it,but then,then why are they put in purgatory in the first place?
If someone burgarled your house or damaged your car,wouldnt you think it only right and proper for them to do a stint in purgatory?
And why would you want the pope to start interfering to shorten the allotted time?
Sploom:
By the way,thinking about purgatory,I dont believe it exists,but you said the pope might have the power to move people on out of it,but then,then why are they put in purgatory in the first place?
If someone burgarled your house or damaged your car,wouldnt you think it only right and proper for them to do a stint in purgatory?
And why would you want the pope to start interfering to shorten the allotted time?
Good point.
It falls apart though, when you start comparing somebody taking or damaging my property, ownership of which I earned, and which is no way related to the thief. I am not telling the thief how to live his life.
You are comparing that, with god having created a world, without our knowledge, then putting us on it, without us having a say in the matter, and expecting us to behave in a certain way, and worship him as a thank you.
And if we dont, we get punished.
I said it before. Your god, is a malevolent dictator.
Do you ever ask your parents why they brought you into the world? Without your permission.
Yes,God wants us to behave in a certain way,but if you look at the commandements,they are rooted in love and are for our benefit.You complained that God never gave you a say in the matter.So whats wrong with the world God provided for you?
How would you change the commandements if you were in charge? Or would you just want a free for all…
This life is mainly troublesome isnt it,although there are joys of course.
Which one applies to you.
A God doesnt exist
B We have an evil God in charge of the universe
C God is infinitley good.
Me ,Im C
Oh ffs 
… he’s really going off on one now,.he’s in full flow, he thinks he’s got us all converted… 
He’s actually and literally PREACHING to us now ! 
He’ll have us all doing happy clappy songs next, while we all line up to get ducked and baptised allllleyyluya. 
This is exactly what I’ve been saying about these type of people, can you imagine being his second man on a trunk.?
■■■■ me …I’d be walking back home…
Sploom:
Do you ever ask your parents why they brought you into the world? Without your permission.
Yes,God wants us to behave in a certain way,but if you look at the commandements,they are rooted in love and are for our benefit.You complained that God never gave you a say in the matter.So whats wrong with the world God provided for you?
How would you change the commandements if you were in charge? Or would you just want a free for all…
This life is mainly troublesome isnt it,although there are joys of course.
Which one applies to you.
A God doesnt exist
B We have an evil God in charge of the universe
C God is infinitley good.Me ,Im C
My parents brought me into this world because they were young, and ■■■■■. Because that is a natural thing, I dont hold it against them. In return, they dont expect me to worship them, they stopped insisting I follow their rules as soon as I moved out of their home, and crucially, they dont threaten me with hell and damnation…
There is nothing much wrong with the world. More with the people that inhabit it.
But, if we for a moment consider your belief that your god created this world, I fail to see how he expects my full obedience, when I had no choice in the matter. Like my parents, he should have the grace to accept whether I wish to follow him, or not. Without the threat of eternal damnation.
Ah, the ten commandments. Thou shalt not covet they neighbour’s oxen…
Funny how,the ten commandments, rules or guidelines if you will, to make our life beter, have the first four, dedicated to himself and his ego.
I’m an agnostic, so a mixture of A and B.
A, because I can’t proof that god does not exist, nor can it be proven that he does. It is my considered opinion, that the likelihood of a god, creating the world, out of nothing, in 6 days, is far fetched, and consider the scientific explanation of our existence more plausible, despite its present inability to fully explain the origins of the universe and life.
B, because IF god does exist, and created all this as you believe, it is my considered opinion, that your god is a malevolent being.
Ok,so how about addressing some of the points I made now…
Sploom:
Do you ever ask your parents why they brought you into the world? Without your permission.
Yes,God wants us to behave in a certain way,but if you look at the commandements,they are rooted in love and are for our benefit.You complained that God never gave you a say in the matter.So whats wrong with the world God provided for you?
How would you change the commandements if you were in charge? Or would you just want a free for all…
This life is mainly troublesome isnt it,although there are joys of course.
Which one applies to you.
A God doesnt exist
B We have an evil God in charge of the universe
C God is infinitley good.Me ,Im C
Ok I’ll.humour you, and address them in order…
(Don’t believe I’m doing this btw, is this all part of the process? …scratchy chin time. )
Will.I find myself shouting through the day randomly ''Praise the Lord ‘’ for no reason, like I’ve got some kind of religious Tourettes ?
Ok here goes.
Errrrŕ…NO !
Why tf would I discuss my conceivement with my 80 year old parents… that would be just inappropriate… not to mention ■■■■ weird.
I don’t believe in any ‘god’,.the world was NOT created by any ‘god’,.gods are a fantasy devised through superstition, uncertainty and fear of death by primitive people of old, to give them hope,.and some kind of comfort.
But bizarrely this stuff is still believed by many gullible people in the modern world who are otherwise logical and balanced in most other subjects.
The commandments are part of the story put about to achieve the above…
In order for me to lead what I term as a life of good (by my OWN standards 
) , I do not need to reference a book that was written thousands of years ago,.which is no longer applicable in a modern world, but which is frequently turned and adapted to ‘‘prove’’ points put about by the previously mentioned naive and gullible people who still believe all this clap trap today.
Of course I do not want a free for all,.a world without some element of law is an anarchy…what a ridiculous question, sorry it did not lead to the way you were trying to steer me,.as you people do.
Which one applies to me?
See above.
Hope that helps, but sorry it has not worked,.still no sign of the Tourettes.
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Question for you.
Let’s imagine the New Tesrament was never written, devised happened nor invented…whichever term you choose.
So presumably you being a guy who feels the need to have a religion, you’d be up to your neck in the ancient Hebrew version or similar.
Then as a young lad your girlfriend tells you she’s pregnant
But then you being a fanatical religious ‘‘no ■■■ before marriage’’ type thinks …‘‘Hang on a ■■■■ minute, we ain’t ever done the business yet, wtf’s going on here pet exactly’’■■
(You know where I’m going with this eh? )
She says…‘But it’s the son of God, I’ve been chosen,.we need to get in the Mondeo, get to hell out of here and meet some wise men, and an angel, but I may have to give birth in a garage as all the hotels are busy’'…
You know the rest.
So being a ‘man of God’…do you believe her as you hear her breathing a big sigh of relief and a ''Wow, thank ■■■■ ‘‘I’ve got out of that one’’ …coming from her as you leave the room to get packing.
Then as the kid grows up he does all this David Blaine/dynamo type stunts, and tells everybody he’s the son if God,.and everybody’s cool and happy, and your Mrs (Mary Sploom) can’t believe she got away with it.
Haha,Ive already been sharing that photo on whatsapp!
No ■■■ before marriage,no.I go one further .Ideally,no modern dating.If I was a young man now,how far do I want to go with this girl that is going to be someone elses wife?I dont want to get to level 2 with her,I dont want to have an intimate relationship with her.I want to save it all for my wife.Thats the apporoach I would have,if I had my time again.
Jesus had brothers,as mentioned in the Bible so Mary wasnt an eternal virgin like the catholics claim
Sploom:
Haha,Ive already been sharing that photo on whatsapp!
No ■■■ before marriage,no.I go one further .Ideally,no modern dating.If I was a young man now,how far do I want to go with this girl that is going to be someone elses wife?I dont want to get to level 2 with her,I dont want to have an intimate relationship with her.I want to save it all for my wife.Thats the apporoach I would have,if I had my time again.
Jesus had brothers,as mentioned in the Bible so Mary wasnt an eternal virgin like the catholics claim
Oh ffs man …so typical religious restrictions and deprivation eh?, … holding you back, going against what is actual human nature.
Out of interest, and along similar lines (and a bit of a curveball.) …
What is your attitude towards women in the ■■■■ industry, being impregnated by numerous random blokes.?
All burn in hell?
Do you watch or have you watched ■■■■? , if so by nature alone, being a normal bloke, you must have had some element of excitenent or arousal, did that make you feel guilty?
So does that make you a hypocrite?..or a ‘‘fallen soul’’
Yes,I have watched it and felt guilty ,its an abuse of women,and men.Its a very powerful drug,but any kind of ■■■■ for me is a battle I have to fight .
In the book of mathew Jesus says just looking at a woman with ■■■■ is enough to get you into hell(mathew 5 27).You already committed adultery with her in your heart.
■■■■ is the opposite of love.■■■■ is selfish desire.
If I am tempted to sin,I watch this video.Its always a good wake up call for me
robroy:
He’ll have us all doing happy clappy songs next, while we all line up to get ducked and baptised
Hope we get the bouncing ball, I don’t know the words.
Sploom:
Jesus says just looking at a woman with ■■■■ is enough to get you into hell.If I am tempted to sin,I watch this video.Its always a good wake up call for me
It sure as hell is (no pun intended) especially if her husband who is 6’ 6 and built like a brick ■■■■ house notices you…and especially where I live, so I reckon JC has got that one right.
As for your vid…'Wake up call ’ you say?
Opposite effect on me, I glazed over within 2 minutes, usual pile of delusional religious cack.
I am always happy to discuss this topic with you but if you are saying you dont believe God exists,then I sort of hit a brick wall.But if you say you dont like the characteristics of God,then,there is room for me to hopefully put some ideas forward if you were to say that there are certain things that you dont like about Him.
Sploom:
I am always happy to discuss this topic with you but if you are saying you dont believe God exists,then I sort of hit a brick wall.But if you say you dont like the characteristics of God,then,there is room for me to hopefully put some ideas forward if you were to say that there are certain things that you dont like about Him.
Nah you ain’t putting words in my mouth mate that I would never say,.it’s like me telling you I don’t like the characteristics of leprechauns, elves or fairies.
Looks like the brick wall then but you are that busy quoting Bible chapters and verses, interspersed with a bit of blatant preaching, presumably in a vain attempt to convert me (more chance of me converting to Sunderland football club after being a lifelong Newcastle fan btw) that the numerous times that I have repeatedly told you that I don’t believe any ‘god’ exists, being that they are a figment of imagination, and a subject of supernatural fiction, seem to have bounced right over your swede.
So I suggest you should find a suitable place on your person for your ideas,.and save them for another like minded fantasist who would be interested to hear them.
I note you have ignored my question about your Mrs bearing the son of God, but I do understand that the story is hard to believe…oh wait a minute. 
The last thing I want is to put words in your mouth,if I did,it was an error on my part.
As for your question.An angel appeared to Joseph and told him what is concieved in her is from the Holy Spirit and to not be afraid to take her as his wife.So,if this happened to me,I would do the same as Joseph and go along with God’s plan to send His Son into the world to save sinnners.
biblehub.com/jeremiah/29-13.htm
If you seek God and ask Him to reveal Himself to you,He will.
But,I think you dont want to,or you have barriers up to this.I dont know,Im only guessing here but now you will say Im preaching to you,or trying to force my beliefs on you,and so on…
Oh,I forgot.Here is a video I like to show people when I am evangelizing
fathersloveletter.com/
