See where your TM is coming from,if he Google mapped it like I did,via M25 its roughly 20 miles more and only a matter of 2-3 minutes in time difference.
All you can do is plead ignorant,
Sorry Boss I didn`t realise we had set routes to go by,I looked at what route I thought would be the best route and took it,considering in the past you have never specified any particular routes to which we should adhere to.
Beings you are disciplining me for going the route I chose, can you in future do me a route print out of the route you wish me to take from Depot back to Depot.
lolipop:
See where your TM is coming from,if he Google mapped it like I did,via M25 its roughly 20 miles more and only a matter of 2-3 minutes in time difference.
All you can do is plead ignorant,
I think he’s probably had the disciplinary meeting by now. 
Harry Monk:
lolipop:
See where your TM is coming from,if he Google mapped it like I did,via M25 its roughly 20 miles more and only a matter of 2-3 minutes in time difference.
All you can do is plead ignorant,I think he’s probably had the disciplinary meeting by now.
And with remission for good behaviour he may be due release soon.
jc69817:
Hi guys I’m in need of some help.Here are the basics.
I was tipping in Wallingham surrey at about 14:00 on Wednesday. My next drop was in Blackwall (near Chris Hodge truck sales). Bearing in mind I had been in London multi-dropping all week so I know how the traffic was in the surrounding areas due to school holidays.My TM has taken exception to my route between these two drops. Can I please ask you what route you would have taken between the 2, not turn by turn just basically would you have gone via local roads or out to M25 round and then into Blackwall.
He says he wouldn’t have done what I did and doesn’t think anyone else would have but I spoke to 2 of our other drivers who say they would have done as I did.
many thanks guys
Which route did you take? The quickest route is out to the M25, through Dartford and back in along the A13; depending on your height you could go through the Blackwall Tunnel but that’s often slow as are most of the roads leading to it from Warlingham (which is where I presume you mean). Besides the Woolwich Ferry there’s no decent route from south to east London that doesn’t have either a height limit (Blackwall), a weight limit (Tower Bridge) or the congestion charge (any other central London bridge).
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Being someone who has done a lot of work in the London area , the best route changes almost hourly at the best of times .
The choices are limited in anything bigger than a 3.5t and the situation is vastly different these days than it was even 5 years ago .
If the M25/A2 was flowing freely then that is the route that I would have taken .
The problem is that route planning software or sat navs don’t give you the best routes in most congested cities .They choices are shortest or fastest but neither of them work as a minor accident or broken-down vehicle can add upto a couple of hours to even a relatively short journey .
The average speed of vehicles on a good day in London is about 11mph .
Less at peak times and hard to achieve in HGVs .
Many in the office draw a line from A to B and think that is the only route to take .
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As an ex depot manager for a well established scania dealership here’s my input.
Your tm is inexperienced in employment law and this is personal.
An employment solicitor and tribunal would ask the question did the employee follow procedure in regards to contract of employment terms and conditions.
The judge in a tribunal will ask the question to the tm / company what procedure did you put in place to help the employee ie : retraining.
Remember if you work with an insecure person or an authoritarian or jealous type and you have a voice you’ll have a target on your back no matter how good you are at your job
Its your legal right to postpone the meeting untill a suitable witness is available for you, take someone into the meeting who understands employment law if possible.
Love it when people don’t look at the date of the OP! 
Vid:
If it’s another member of management or if you have to wait for the appeal (which has to be someone different) then, if you’re in the mood for what could follow, then it’s time to say that the disciplinary is down to his agenda of bullying you. Bring that up and they have to make a full investigation. One of you won’t be there much longer. Completely up to you though.Bend over and accept it and you know you’re then in his pocket.
This.
Héraultais:
Love it when people don’t look at the date of the OP!
Oh FFS!
Well, how did it end? We should know by now, surely?
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Its nothing to be worried about providing that they have never got you to sign something saying you must go by our route, and if you did they have to give you a route planner every day.
Refuse to go to any meeting without another person with you, dont be asking can we change this date if it dont suit you TELL them No, its up to them to have the person there for you.
This should be over in two minutes, Question can you provide previous documentation that has been provided to the driver in regarding to going off your said route or any route.
My god do planners or tm sit looking at drivers movements all day.
If it was a D/D then i would understand
School boy mistake sorry how did he get on in the end ?
grumpyken52:
Being someone who has done a lot of work in the London area , the best route changes almost hourly at the best of times .
The choices are limited in anything bigger than a 3.5t and the situation is vastly different these days than it was even 5 years ago .
If the M25/A2 was flowing freely then that is the route that I would have taken .
The problem is that route planning software or sat navs don’t give you the best routes in most congested cities .They choices are shortest or fastest but neither of them work as a minor accident or broken-down vehicle can add upto a couple of hours to even a relatively short journey .
The average speed of vehicles on a good day in London is about 11mph .
Less at peak times and hard to achieve in HGVs .
Many in the office draw a line from A to B and think that is the only route to take .Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
^^^ this
A company pays its drivers to make route decisions thats what a lorry driver does 
, unless its one of those places who demand a set route which is normally trunking for box tickers or where time/weight restrictions apply or possibly an agreement with the London or other traffic authority (we have one such agreement in place for one of our drops, and another where the customer specifies the route in and out to placate neighbours), on a multi drop the driver at the time is the only person who knows what the situation on the ground is, which as said by Grumpyken can change by the minute.
Yes its an old thread but in proper companies the driver is trusted to make the right decision (thats why he’s called a lorry driver), where i am now and in all my years on the cars i’ve taken all sorts of odd routes as the situation on the road develops, electronically tracked in the last decade, not once has a single comment ever been made about my routing, so long as the load gets there in reasonable time and the customer is happy, they’re happy…this is how the job should be.