roaduser66:
Not one yard of cycle lane in the entire UK is mandatory. It’s amazing how many pig-■■■■ thick drivers don’t know this. Per mile traveled cycle lanes are more dangerous for people on bikes than the road is. They yield priority, have hidden drives and exits, often have pedestrians and children wandering around avoiding the dog crap, parked cars and broken glass. If any driver ever expresses bafflement at why a cyclist shuns a cycle lane the driver is an idiot. Furthermore they are using the fact that the cyclist shuns inadequate facilities as a reason for encouraging hatred against the cyclist. Some very depressing and ignorant views on this thread. If you see a cyclist using the road rather than a cycle lane there’s almost certainly a very good reason for them to do so, and it’s none of your business.
this perfectly illustrates why fat truckers should have to spend 1 day/ year riding a bike in towns or cities (Quantocks or Afan Forest wont work) …
even the most brain dead of posters on here would soon answer their own question !!!
cycle lanes end when there is an obstruction !!! …
whether its a pedestrian crossing , bridge , narrow road , bus stop , speed humps etc etc
and thats not including the hazards the gentleman outlines above .
so …
shut your mouths …
get off your arses …
engage drive on your brain cell …
and try for yourselves
boredwivdrivin:
this perfectly illustrates why fat truckers should have to spend 1 day/ year riding a bike in towns or cities (Quantocks or Afan Forest wont work) …
even the most brain dead of posters on here would soon answer their own question !!!
cycle lanes end when there is an obstruction !!! …
whether its a pedestrian crossing , bridge , narrow road , bus stop , speed humps etc etc
and thats not including the hazards the gentleman outlines above .
so …
shut your mouths …
get off your arses …
engage drive on your brain cell …
and try for yourselves
I had a smoke alarm once that keep making this irritating noise. It was very high pitched and incessantly annoying. It kind of reminded me of you.
Eventually its battery ran out and it found itself in a skip never to be heard again. We members of trucknet can only hope the same happens to you
boredwivdrivin:
The-Snowman:
I had a smoke alarm once that keep making this irritating noise. It was very high pitched and incessantly annoying. It kind of reminded me of you.
Eventually its battery ran out and it found itself in a skip never to be heard again. We members of trucknet can only hope the same happens to you
is this a Question ■■ 
Does it end in a question mark dumbass?
I know your IQ is a couple of clicks below Forrest Gump and your grasp of basic english is slightly lower than your average primary school child but come on, you can do better than this surely?
eagerbeaver:
Wow. And thought I was good at talking ■■■■■■■■. Cycle paths are built at great taxpayers expense, so that Lycra clad bellends are kept off the road. For THEIR safety.
WTF does it matter if its MANDATORY or not? If its there…USE IT.
PS. Another advantage of having a separate cycle lane is that I am less likely to suffer tyre damage from driving over your Raleigh Grifter.
But they are not safer. Per mile traveled they are more dangerous than the road. It has nothing to do with you where a cyclist rides, it’s none of your business. Do you seriously think riders ignore lanes to annoy drivers? If the lane is ignored there’s usually a very good reason. Out of interest, which cycle lane do you think ought to be mandatory? Can you name a cycle lane good enough to beat the road? Did you know, as a professional driver, that official advice is that riders doing more than 18mph should use the road?
I am less likely to suffer tyre damage from driving over your Raleigh Grifter.
That’s pretty sick actually. Eagerbeaver, you should be able to disagree with someone without posting fantasies about killing them. Do you often fantasisise about killing people on the road?
I think lots of cycle lanes are downright dangerous, you disagree, so you post horrible crash fantasies.
This is the sort of cycle lane I mean, no physical separation from a 60 limit road:
A seven year-old girl was killed as she cycled with her mum and older brother when she struggled with her gears and swerved into the path of a car, an inquest heard yesterday.
westernmorningnews.co.uk/Gir … z3pwv2ohSM
That’s the sort of fatality that eagerbeaver is fantasising about.
boredwivdrivin:
this perfectly illustrates why fat truckers should have to spend 1 day/ year riding a bike in towns or cities (Quantocks or Afan Forest wont work) …
Sadly I don’t fit the profile of a fat trucker, being slim fit and healthy, so guess I really shouldn’t comment on this thread. I do however own mountain bikes, but am not dumb enough to ride them on the roads, preferring to put them on my towbar mounted carrier and ride them in the relative safety of forest trails and disused railway tracks etc.
I can sit on the fence on this issue and whilst I can see the attraction of riding in country lanes etc, I truly cannot see what the attraction of riding cycles is in busy town centres, or on fast moving main roads. When I look at the more sensible YouTube videos that some cyclists post (not the ranting loonies), it becomes obvious it is a high risk venture riding in busy town centres, not helped by bad traffic layouts, poor road surfaces, sheer traffic volumes and yes even a sprinkling of thoughtless drivers.
I am always astonished at the temerity of drivers and motorists who bang on about cyclists breaking the rules; From my observations drivers of cars vans buses and trucks are the biggest law breakers out there, the vast majority of them speed at some point during their journeys, huge numbers of them are incapable of leaving their mobile phones alone whilst driving, virtually non of them are capable of conforming to the highway code with more minor stuff like correct use of fog lights, indicators, lane discipline parking, overtaking, tailgating, in fact very few drivers seem to have any concept of rules and laws. The fact that they are killing nearly 2500 people a year and seriously injuring a further 25,000 seems to be lost in the fact that a cyclist may have at some point in the past went through a red light.
Bluey Circles:
I am always astonished at the temerity of drivers and motorists who bang on about cyclists breaking the rules; From my observations drivers of cars vans buses and trucks are the biggest law breakers out there, the vast majority of them speed at some point during their journeys, huge numbers of them are incapable of leaving their mobile phones alone whilst driving, virtually non of them are capable of conforming to the highway code with more minor stuff like correct use of fog lights, indicators, lane discipline parking, overtaking, tailgating, in fact very few drivers seem to have any concept of rules and laws. The fact that they are killing nearly 2500 people a year and seriously injuring a further 25,000 seems to be lost in the fact that a cyclist may have at some point in the past went through a red light.
It goes far beyond running the odd red light. As ive said many MANY times, everyone has a right to use the road and no one deserves to be there any more than anyone else. And if a cyclist is in front of you then you treat them like any other slow moving vehicles and hang back and pass when safe.
But motorists who break the law run a higher risk of getting caught. And the fact they are the most vulnerable mode of transport makes the actions of cyclists all the more breathtaking. And to perform these actions (such as barreling between moving vehicles, going the wrong way up one way streets, hopping on and off the pavement,going the wrong way round roundabouts,holding on to moving vehicles to name but a few) while demanding that other people watch out for them and repeatedly call for laws to place the blame squarely on the motorist if anything happens is a big part of the problem of attitudes towards cyclists.
Ive asked many times how many cycle deaths get avoided BECAUSE the motorist was paying attention. Tens of thousands every day would be my guess. Yet one death where a motorist is at fault and you have the likes of roaduser66 coming on here,practically rubbing his hands at getting to tell us all about it and show whos to blame like some sort of ghoul. And I notice he has “conveniently” not answered ANYTHING I asked him yesterday, as per usual. Like most cyclists, when you ask these questions they have no answer. But they are pretty quick with the condemnation and demanding of more laws
I have said many times that their are idiots in all road user groups. But cyclists seem to be the only ones in denial and who think they can pick and choose which laws apply. To come back to red lights as a perfect example, watch how many run right through. You see that far more than drivers on mobiles.
But as always it turns into a “well your lot does this” “Well your lot does that” slanging match which achieves precisely zilch.
Everyone needs to take care and watch while using the road. But in my opinion, cyclists need to start looking at their own groups actions and stop burying their head in the sand before blaming motorists
The-Snowman:
BillyHunt:
This old chestnut come back again! My views on cyclist running red lights is simple, they shouldn’t do it, it’s against the law. I’m not going in for the “drivers do it so we can” palaver as its pointless. Why do they do it? Again it’s simple, they’re human beings, as such they will try to sneak an advantage, wether legally or illegally is irrelevant, and for the majority of the time it all works out fine, until it doesn’t. We all do it but it’s only when we see someone else do it that it bothers us, odd that.
Ive never ran a red light and I cant remember the last time I saw a vehicle run a red light either. Even at 2, 3 or 4 in the morning, if the light is red then the vehicles wait at it. Im not saying it doesnt happen,im saying it is a very rare occurance. Contrast that to any time of day or night and if I see a cyclist come up to the lights then im 80-90% certain they’ll have a glance then cycle right through.
And when you have guys coming on here demanding more protection while cycling and insulting everyone with a driving license as “out to get them” then im afraid it is totally relevant if it is illegal or not.
I agree with a lot of what you say on here,and at least you are a man of intelligence capable of putting your point across but im afraid to say they shouldnt do it and then give reasons to justify why they do is just as bad.
As I said earlier, the attitude of plenty cyclists of picking and choosing which laws they want to abide by and quote to others while ignoring any that they dont like is what causes the animosity. I personally dont give a monkeys whether a cyclist is on the road instead of the cycle lane. Ill get past, giving plenty room. But it bothers me when they demand more protection while condoning some of the suicidal manouveres you see every day and no bothering about their own safety and demanding drivers take more care.
I go through reds as a matter of course, when I’m on my way into work, usually around 0200-0500, unless there are other vehicles about. As I said, it’s human nature, see what you want to see. I watched 2 cars & a van blow reds just today, never batted an eyelid as it will happen again tomorrow.
BillyHunt:
I go through reds as a matter of course, when I’m on my way into work, usually around 0200-0500, unless there are other vehicles about. As I said, it’s human nature, see what you want to see. I watched 2 cars & a van blow reds just today, never batted an eyelid as it will happen again tomorrow.
I see your shiny hook and bait fisherman, but I aint biting!
Nice try though 
The largest ever survey that TFL did on red-light-jumping found that cyclists did it at a rate of 16%-the same as drivers did:
Transport for London Conducted a survey at 5 different locations around London and marked the number of cyclists who went through red lights.
Total Cyclists who ran red light – 1180 / 6322
% Cyclists of went through red light – 16%.
% of cyclists who didn’t go through red light – 84%
cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/4756/cycl … ed-lights/
Cyclists jumping red lights killed nobody last year. 82% of drivers admit regularly speeding. Speeding drivers killed seven hundred people last year.
And lastly, however annoying risky or illegal cycling is, it is NOT a significant causal factor of KSI RTCs. Usually it’s the driver’s fault.
So are you saying it’s acceptable to do it just because it’s not a significant factor in deaths?
I’ve said plenty times these last couple days alone it’s the we will do as we want attitude that causes the animosity and you do nothing but confirm it. I’ve asked you God knows how many times what your thoughts are on the amount of cyclists who think only the laws they like are valid yet you constantly refuse to answer. Instead you give us a load of statistics about cycling deaths.
I had you down as at least someone of intelligence but I’m beginning to wonder if your nothing more than a glorified troll either.
There are THOUSANDS of risky and reckless manoeuvres by cyclists every single day. Because nothing happened you seem to think it’s ok and qyuote statistics about the minority’s of times something happens.
What are your thoughts on the dangerous manoeuvres we drivers see every single day? Because there are a lot more lives saved by vigilant drivers than lost by reckless drivers. And even in deaths,how many were reckless and how many were momentary lapses? Because I don’t care what you or anyone else says, the dangerous actions I see every day do nothin to convince me you and your kind deserve any special laws to protect you. And while you continue to bang your drum and refuse to even acknowledge that there are cyclists out there with no regard for the law then the problems will persist.
I have never said ally overs are perfect and it’s always the cyclist to blame. But you constantly bang on about cyclist deaths and only see what you want to see. THAT is the biggest problem
roaduser66:
The largest ever survey that TFL did on red-light-jumping found that cyclists did it at a rate of 16%-the same as drivers did:
Transport for London Conducted a survey at 5 different locations around London and marked the number of cyclists who went through red lights.
Total Cyclists who ran red light – 1180 / 6322
% Cyclists of went through red light – 16%.
% of cyclists who didn’t go through red light – 84%
cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/4756/cycl … ed-lights/
Cyclists jumping red lights killed nobody last year. 82% of drivers admit regularly speeding. Speeding drivers killed seven hundred people last year.
And lastly, however annoying risky or illegal cycling is, it is NOT a significant causal factor of KSI RTCs. Usually it’s the driver’s fault.
Seriously 16% are jumping red lights !!! and you are using that as a defence?
at that level it is verging on anarchy, civil unrest, if it gets to 20% I’m sure they could declare a state of emergency, bring the army in, and start shooting the ffeckers.
The-Snowman:
BillyHunt:
I go through reds as a matter of course, when I’m on my way into work, usually around 0200-0500, unless there are other vehicles about. As I said, it’s human nature, see what you want to see. I watched 2 cars & a van blow reds just today, never batted an eyelid as it will happen again tomorrow.
I see your shiny hook and bait fisherman, but I aint biting!
Nice try though
You must have been on here too long my friend, nothing thrown out there by me, not intentionally anyway. I’ve read it many times & still don’t see what you mean, maybe time for me to hang up the iPad.
I suppose, in a perfect world, the scrote driving their motor with no tax & insurance, not wearing a seatbelt, while texting, should run into the cyclist, with no lights or hi vis, going through a red light. Would that be karma?
Law- breaking by people on bikes is wrong.
Law-breaking by people on bikes is not what’s killing them.
BillyHunt:
You must have been on here too long my friend, nothing thrown out there by me, not intentionally anyway. I’ve read it many times & still don’t see what you mean, maybe time for me to hang up the iPad.
Well if that is the case and you think going through red lights is ok as long as its nice and quiet then im not getting into a debate with you. Its illegal regardless of mode of transport or how busy or quiet it is. What you choose to do is up to you.
I will say one thing for you though, at least you’ve admitted it. Your not banging on about getting more protection for cyclists while denying its a common occurence, along with all the other illegal and reckless manouveres we all see every day.
roaduser66:
Law- breaking by people on bikes is wrong.
Law-breaking by people on bikes is not what’s killing them.
My guess at why cyclists are being injured and killed is a disappointing mix of poor road skills and lack of experience on behalf of the cyclist, and poor road skills and an uncaring attitude by those in motorised vehicles. So what is causing this uncaring attitude by drivers ? probably a number of reasons but I would guess high on that list will be astonishing level of law breaking by cyclists, so just may be law-breaking by people on bikes does contribute heavily towards these accidents, and as sods law goes I hazard a guess that it will be the innocent ones that are trying to do every thing right that are paying the ferry man.
roaduser66:
Law- breaking by people on bikes is wrong.
Law-breaking by people on bikes is not what’s killing them.
Well halle-[zb]-lujah. At last. But even at that you cant just say it, you have to twist it to suit
Ive never said its the law breaking thats killing them. Im saying its the law breaking thats causing animosity
How many deaths or injuries are avoided due to drivers seeing an incident about to occur and taking appropriate action? Im taking a guess since there are no figures but im going to go with hundreds of thousands.
According to the ROSPA website, in 2013 there were 19,438 accidents involving bikes, of which 109 resulted in deaths, on UK roads. Of those, “failed to look properly” was a factor in 57% of motorists and 43% of cyclists. Thats almost HALF. Cyclists are not innocents, no matter what you like to try and tell us.
All road deaths are tragic, cyclists no more or no less. But if these figures are correct, it would appear that cyclists are almost as much to blame for their own misfortune as anyone else. You cant focus solely on the deaths and decide that all drivers are reckless. There will be plenty of incidents where a driver has saw a cyclist and took appropriate action resulting in a non event. Take incidents of jumping from pavement to road for example. This resulted in 20% of collisions involving cyclists. How many times does this sort of thing happen but it gets avoided? Accidents happen but many many more are being avoided on a daily basis.