As we’re on the subject of lorries designed in the 1950s lol.
I got the tractor in Fargo, North Dakota on Tuesday, dropped it just over the border in Saskatchewan, ran empty to Brandon, Manitoba and loaded the sprayer, which doesn’t run. The loading process was painful, two young lads who wouldn’t listen to me when I offered advice on how to move it and position it to go on the trailer. I had to sit in my cab as I was going to start using rude words!
Eventually they did it exactly the way I had suggested 3hrs earlier and I chained it down and got on my way to Prince George, British Columbia, hopefully I’ll get it off on Friday.
Cant agree with the statement “puny 318hp of 8V71 Detroit” when taken in context in the era of the time when we took delivery of the 2 Crusaders early 1970s.
The best previous was a Leyland 690 250hp ■■■■■■■ lump of 220hp or a Cmotor Mack but i wholeheartedly agree about the 305hp Rolls which I feel would have prolonged British Leylands time in the Colonies.
The other mistake with that build was matching the 15 speed RR with the Detroit when a 12513 RR would have been the ducks Nuts it was said at that time that “Anyone can drive a 15 speed” a little less technical than the 13 speed so it was Leylands view to pander to the management or ownership of companies who felt the they needed a gearbox that suited them more than driver.
Dig, it was tongue in cheek mate, I thought it would set off you know who. We would then learn how the heavy haul industry and the British Army were doing it all wrong [emoji1]
newmercman:
Dig, it was tongue in cheek mate, I thought it would set off you know who. We would then learn how the heavy haul industry and the British Army were doing it all wrong [emoji1]
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Don’t you ■■■■■■■ dare to get him tempted mate, this is the only thread where his “wisdom” fails on him!
newmercman:
Oh and that Rawcliffe Globetrotter looks the mutt’s nuts, in my mind those F12/16 Globetrotters are the best looking 6x4 heavy haul unit ever, especially the Heanor ones with the big bumper.
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Cheers Oily
I agree with NMM, those Volvo F12/16s really looked the part! Herr Sutherland might think sommat entirely different though…
pv83:
Hold 'em back at the barriers pv83, while I pacify the masses with a few figures!
Never heard of a Crusader with an Allison 'box but that doesn’t mean none existed. Like I said, the Rolls 305 powered 6x4s had the Fuller RTO 915 (15-sp) boxes, as did the Detroit 8V71-powered equivalent. The 4x2 with the Rolls 220 had a Fuller RTO 610 (10-sp); and the 4x2 with the Rolls 280 had a Fuller RTO 9509A (9-sp) box. The 6x4 ‘Amazon’ version had the beefier RTO 12515. Cheers!
Robert
Cheers Robert! But as you say, it wouldn’t surprise me if the likes of Heanor made some “home improvements”…
Never mind the Crusader Patrick how about buying this proper Scammell ! The mighty contractor is for sale for £14,500 ex Pickfords on ebay.
Froggy55:
Ivecos are seldom used as heavy haulage tractors; thanks for these interstinig and unusual pictures.
Cheers Paul, outside of Italy they seem to have been “the great unknown” although I reckon they did put their money where the mouth is/was!
Econofreight was probably one of the first to have put a Fiat on the heavy haulage scene in the UK, if I remember correctly it was bought secondhand after the purchase of some trailers. After being highly impressed with the performance of the Fiat, a deal was made to buy that too along with the trailers.
Froggy55:
Ivecos are seldom used as heavy haulage tractors; thanks for these interstinig and unusual pictures.
Cheers Paul, outside of Italy they seem to have been “the great unknown” although I reckon they did put their money where the mouth is/was!
Econofreight was probably one of the first to have put a Fiat on the heavy haulage scene in the UK, if I remember correctly it was bought secondhand after the purchase of some trailers. After being highly impressed with the performance of the Fiat, a deal was made to buy that too along with the trailers.
Maybe Spardo can fill in the gaps?
'Fraid not, Patrick, after my time there I think, and it certainly wasn’t at Leicester in my time, but before or after, the best bloke to tell you is Rikki.
BTW, love those Fauns, are they still going? I remember in the far off misty days before I was even a driver, the depot manager at Weddels Meats in Bedford mentioned his time in the army with a Faun 'n Scheurle, as he put it. Meant nothing to me at the time.
Spardo:
Blimey, that 2nd to last looks like an ‘oh bugger’ moment.
Did the edge of the road give way, bad planning, or driver error?
Rumor has it that Whippersnapper kept on at them to “let me have a go” , so they did…
EDF, the government run electricity supplier had their own transport, (it’s now sub contracted) I reckon they were pretty good at what they did, so I’m guessing that the edge of the road gave way. There is a nuclear power plant near us, it’s closed now, but it’s up a lane up a lane, how they ever got the heavies up there I’ve no idea, must have had some good old boys working for them…
Froggy55:
Ivecos are seldom used as heavy haulage tractors; thanks for these interstinig and unusual pictures.
Cheers Paul, outside of Italy they seem to have been “the great unknown” although I reckon they did put their money where the mouth is/was!
Econofreight was probably one of the first to have put a Fiat on the heavy haulage scene in the UK, if I remember correctly it was bought secondhand after the purchase of some trailers. After being highly impressed with the performance of the Fiat, a deal was made to buy that too along with the trailers.
Maybe Spardo can fill in the gaps?
'Fraid not, Patrick, after my time there I think, and it certainly wasn’t at Leicester in my time, but before or after, the best bloke to tell you is Rikki.
BTW, love those Fauns, are they still going? I remember in the far off misty days before I was even a driver, the depot manager at Weddels Meats in Bedford mentioned his time in the army with a Faun 'n Scheurle, as he put it. Meant nothing to me at the time.
Thank you Spardo, and with that it’s over to you Rikki
They still make cranes under the Tadano-Faun banner, but have seized their “juggernaut” side of things I believe, sadly enough…
Heavy haul in Italy really is heavy haul, they have a rather generous interpretation of GVW limits on normal lorries, back in the permit days I had a yellow cabotage book and did a few internals in Italy, I tared off at 19ton with a fridge and they would put 33plts on at a ton a piece. There were wagon and drags that were much heavier empty and had more floor space leaving that were loaded to the back doors, they were easily grossing 60ton plus.
As a fan of IVECO lorries, having owned a few, the least powerful of which was a 480 TurboStar, I imagine they made a brilliant heavy haul unit, especially if they had some of the marine spec engines in them, those were getting four figure horsepower long before electronics allowed a computer chip to turn up the wick.
