was always gonna be heathrow they aint putting all them new warehouses and hotels up for nothing
peirre:
Carryfast:
it would be much better for all concerned to expand Birmingham,East Midlands and Manchester.Let’s not forget Doncaster airport with the longest runway north of the Watford gap, that they used to send out the vulcans from.
Though I doubt the millions of people north & west of Heathrow really care about its expansion because its that far away and impractical for them to use for their annual jollies to Benidorm etc. The last and only time I’ve flown out of Gatwick it took 6hrs+ to get there on a national express bus
If it’s to give work to people then somewhere like Doncaster whould be perfect, you now have everyone going south where all the roads are blocked but empty roads going to Doncaster.
Then again thinking about it I live not that far from Doncaster and do i want all them planes, traffic and noise, no let them have the problems down south.
The planes out of Doncaster already fly over my home, inc the 6am flight to Tenerife. The point I was really making is there is too much focus on London and the south east.
As for Heathrow adding another new airport to London and keeping the existing airport creates issues with transfers at hubb airports between international & national flights especially where passengers transfer airside for international- international flights and don’t pass through immigration etc, having those bused between airports will create delays. Building a completely new airport hubb with the reqd capacity was the only answer
I’m all for Gatwick. They can implement the scheme quicker and they’ve said that most of the cost would be from private investors and not public funding like Heathrow.
The M25 is at a standstill from J9-J16 almost all the time during the day now including weekends so how would encouraging more people to Heathrow help that situation?
Winseer:
Olog Hai:
So the logic in play here appears to be that it’s not OK that Winseer’s part of Kent has missed out on a jobs bonanza, but it would be perfectly fine to close or massively downsize Heathrow and put most/all of the tens of thousands who work there on the dole.You can be at Paddington in about 15 minutes from Heathrow. Compare that with the travel time to Gatwick, or even worse, Manston. It was never going to go anywhere else.
I didn’t say anything about any Grain airport replacing Heathrow. Why not just leave Heathrow as it is, and just open up one in the Thames Estuary, bearing in mind we’ve got one to the South, Northwest and Northeast already - but not the Southeast now that Manston has been mothballed.
Gotcha. So leave Heathrow exactly at it is and spend billions building a new airport somewhere in Kent, and then hope that some airlines may care to use it - despite much of the business at Heathrow being passengers travelling via, not starting or finishing their journeys there.
mac12:
If it’s to give work to people then somewhere like Doncaster whould be perfect, you now have everyone going south where all the roads are blocked but empty roads going to Doncaster.Then again thinking about it I live not that far from Doncaster and do i want all them planes, traffic and noise, no let them have the problems down south.
As I said a load of hypocritical northern NIMBY MP’s dumping everything on us to keep their own place an under developed wilderness then moaning about all the so called ‘economic benefits’ being concentrated in the south east. 
m1cks:
I’m all for Gatwick. They can implement the scheme quicker and they’ve said that most of the cost would be from private investors and not public funding like Heathrow.
The M25 is at a standstill from J9-J16 almost all the time during the day now including weekends so how would encouraging more people to Heathrow help that situation?
Why do you think that enlarging Gatwick won’t create the same types of problems either side of junction 7 on the M25 and on the M23.The usual result being that all the other roads in the area get lumbered with rat running traffic trying to avoid the useless clogged motorways.As I said we’ve got more than enough airport capacity here now it’s time to share it across the country.Just like all the other issues like immigration and housing development.
Olog Hai:
Winseer:
I didn’t say anything about any Grain airport replacing Heathrow. Why not just leave Heathrow as it is, and just open up one in the Thames Estuary, bearing in mind we’ve got one to the South, Northwest and Northeast already - but not the Southeast now that Manston has been mothballed.Gotcha. So leave Heathrow exactly at it is and spend billions building a new airport somewhere in Kent, and then hope that some airlines may care to use it - despite much of the business at Heathrow being passengers travelling via, not starting or finishing their journeys there.
They are telling us that there’s not enough capacity at Heathrow and Gatwick combined.Then you’re moaning about adding capacity elsewhere because it will supposedly be too much.
As for Heathrow being used as a transit hub that’s the problem.In which case those transitting passengers obviously won’t mind where that takes place,whether its the Thames estuary or increased capacity around the regional airports.
The fact is the south east in the form of Heathrow and Gatwick has had enough of being used as a dumping ground for the country’s air port capacity and being used as a concentrated job creation scheme for airport workers.As May will find when she pays the electoral price for stitching up the residents of either place.
Carryfast:
As I said we’ve got more than enough airport capacity here now it’s time to share it across the country.
See below…
Olog Hai:
much of the business at Heathrow being passengers travelling via, not starting or finishing their journeys there.
This is the reason why spreading the capacity across the country wouldn’t work
With all the fuss over U.K. airport expansion and development, once again the U.K. is twenty years behind the times, as the rest of the the world has up to date modern airport facilities and transport infrastructure .
If I was a business investing , I would not choose the UK with its crap roads and continual road works with long delays and opt for Schipol Amsterdam or the Middle East .
London and it’s only orbital motorway, when building it ,when it was cheaper, they had the option to make it six or more lanes, but the boffins said no need, three lanes will be enough using their population bean counter machine .
Look at Madrid, they have eight or more orbital motorways to cope with the traffic .
Heathrow or Gatwick will never expand due to a sighting of a rare newt or bird .
That has a nest on the end of the runway .
peirre:
Carryfast:
As I said we’ve got more than enough airport capacity here now it’s time to share it across the country.Just like all the other issues like immigration and housing development.See below…
Olog Hai:
much of the business at Heathrow being passengers travelling via, not starting or finishing their journeys there.This is the reason why spreading the capacity across the country wouldn’t work
It will work in the sense of the example which windrush described of regional passenger demand being met by Heathrow and Gatwick and/or putting the extra hub capacity elsewhere.On that note what’s the difference in meeting that demand at enlarged East Midlands/Doncaster/Manchester v Gatwick or Heathrow.IE in all cases the demand can be met by other options with there being no reason why it has to be done at Heathrow or Gatwick.With the real reason as usual just being a case of NIMBY northerners not wanting it in their place.
Carryfast:
It will work in the sense of the example which windrush described of regional passenger demand being met by Heathrow and Gatwick and/or putting the extra hub capacity elsewhere.On that note what’s the difference in meeting that demand at enlarged East Midlands/Doncaster/Manchester v Gatwick or Heathrow.IE in all cases the demand can be met by other options with there being no reason why it has to be done at Heathrow or Gatwick.With the real reason as usual just being a case of NIMBY northerners not wanting it in their place.
For hub airports to be successful they need to be very big and very busy with many flights going to many places - not much point in landing in Donny if you have to get to Edinburgh for your connecting flight (I believe a third of Heathrow is hub work)
The elephant in the room has to be Dorney Lake (just west of windsor) 7 miles of near open fields to Heathrow for a high speed rail shuttle. The lake has airport proportions and is perfectly flat, just needs drained, filled with ■■■■■■■■■ and some blacktop to finish job off, could be up and running by xmas.
google.co.uk/maps/@51.48766 … a=!3m1!1e3
Let’s look at this from another viewpoint now:
British Airways does NOT want anything other than an expanded Heathrow.
The Grain option would be the very WORST thing for BA because it would well and truly break their monopoly on slots that they cling so dearly to at Heathrow.
Heathrow would end up being a BA international Hub - and be less cluttered. That’s good for Passengers, Staff, and other Airlines - but not good for BA who would NOT be making any extra profits out of such things.
Grain, meanwhile - would be a chance grabbed with both hands by BA’s competitors - to wade in with the “Non-American” international flight markets in particular - An Eastern hub serving the world East of the Greenwich Meridian.
I can’t see how the “selected” Heathrow expansion is ever going to get built in any case - there’s just too many people objecting to it, and BA’s lobbying of past and present government - won’t stand up against such an onslaught forever.
Bluey Circles:
Carryfast:
It will work in the sense of the example which windrush described of regional passenger demand being met by Heathrow and Gatwick and/or putting the extra hub capacity elsewhere.On that note what’s the difference in meeting that demand at enlarged East Midlands/Doncaster/Manchester v Gatwick or Heathrow.IE in all cases the demand can be met by other options with there being no reason why it has to be done at Heathrow or Gatwick.With the real reason as usual just being a case of NIMBY northerners not wanting it in their place.For hub airports to be successful they need to be very big and very busy with many flights going to many places - not much point in landing in Donny if you have to get to Edinburgh for your connecting flight (I believe a third of Heathrow is hub work)
The elephant in the room has to be Dorney Lake (just west of windsor) 7 miles of near open fields to Heathrow for a high speed rail shuttle. The lake has airport proportions and is perfectly flat, just needs drained, filled with ■■■■■■■■■ and some blacktop to finish job off, could be up and running by xmas.
google.co.uk/maps/@51.48766 … a=!3m1!1e3
Firstly in the real world many passengers don’t use airport rail links.They generally use hire cars and taxis combined with airport worker commuter traffic.Which just adds to demand for local road space for miles around airports.
As for Windsor just like Surrey and Sussex and South West/West London people live there and they don’t want to live in the middle of a massive over developed air and rail transport hub system.
As for hubs the example of going to Heathrow instead of Doncaster to get to Scotland says it all.IE it’s the idea of making Heathrow a concentrated ever increasing ‘hub’ for the country’s air transport demand which is the problem.
Winseer:
I can’t see how the “selected” Heathrow expansion is ever going to get built in any case - there’s just too many people objecting to it, and BA’s lobbying of past and present government - won’t stand up against such an onslaught forever.
It seems clear that it’s either Heathrow or Gatwick and in either case the Cons as usual being happy to abandon their grass roots local vote in favour of what the big money wants.
With Labour being all about protecting its Northern heartlands from development.While telling us how good it is for yet more ‘jobs’ in the South East while at the same time moaning about too much economic growth in the South East and not enough in the North.
Carryfast:
Bluey Circles:
Carryfast:
It will work in the sense of the example which windrush described of regional passenger demand being met by Heathrow and Gatwick and/or putting the extra hub capacity elsewhere.On that note what’s the difference in meeting that demand at enlarged East Midlands/Doncaster/Manchester v Gatwick or Heathrow.IE in all cases the demand can be met by other options with there being no reason why it has to be done at Heathrow or Gatwick.With the real reason as usual just being a case of NIMBY northerners not wanting it in their place.For hub airports to be successful they need to be very big and very busy with many flights going to many places - not much point in landing in Donny if you have to get to Edinburgh for your connecting flight (I believe a third of Heathrow is hub work)
The elephant in the room has to be Dorney Lake (just west of windsor) 7 miles of near open fields to Heathrow for a high speed rail shuttle. The lake has airport proportions and is perfectly flat, just needs drained, filled with ■■■■■■■■■ and some blacktop to finish job off, could be up and running by xmas.
google.co.uk/maps/@51.48766 … a=!3m1!1e3Firstly in the real world many passengers don’t use airport rail links.They generally use hire cars and taxis combined with airport worker commuter traffic.Which just adds to demand for local road space for miles around airports.
As for Windsor just like Surrey and Sussex and South West/West London people live there and they don’t want to live in the middle of a massive over developed air and rail transport hub system.
As for hubs the example of going to Heathrow instead of Doncaster to get to Scotland says it all.IE it’s the idea of making Heathrow a concentrated ever increasing ‘hub’ for the country’s air transport demand which is the problem.
Don’t give them an option, consider it all as one site.
The better solution would be to build a new heathrow somewhere more sensible - and not forgetting the ultimate solution is to move away from air travel, it is disastrous at an environmental level.
You mis-understood my example, I was meaning someone landing at donny going, lets say to new York, it aint going to very convienient if they need to get to another airport for the connecting flight. Hub airports need to have many flights going to many places. Hence you can not spread the capacity throughout the country.
Bluey Circles:
You mis-understood my example, I was meaning someone landing at donny going, lets say to new York, it aint going to very convienient if they need to get to another airport for the connecting flight. Hub airports need to have many flights going to many places. Hence you can not spread the capacity throughout the country.
As I said it’s the idea of hubs which is the problem.Such as in the example of passengers from the Midlands or North using Heathrow or Gatwick.Just as there’s no need for anyone to fly from Scotland to New York via Heathrow.When we’ve already got the regional services to provide that direct from Prestwick and which could/should be increased by expansion of the relevant regional airports.
Local folk to me (North Midlands area) would welcome being able to fly from East Midlands airport instead of having the long drive down to Heathrow, Stanstead or Gatwick to contend with and having to leave their cars there for a week or two. A lot of ‘their’ flights do go from Manchester though. There was talk a few years ago of extending East Midlands runway but I believe that Breedon on the Hill church steeple was in the take off path and also planes coming in low over Kegworth and the M1 was not acceptable to the locals. However properties around Heathrow etc must be in a similar or far worse situation so it does seem to be a case of nimbyism. 
Pete.
700 houses/buildings to be demolished and harmondsworth /sipson villages to disappear,its not right,i don’t live in the area but used to live in Kingston upon thames and worked in that area [heathrow]those 2 villages are as far as I know hundreds of years old,but as usual wealthy people and money talk, I guess saxon way ind estate will go as well.