Hazardous goods question for you

[simonrs2k]

Is 1.4S Hazardous

simon

[kitkat]

YES…This is obviously about the situation Ian has found himself in,even though the customer said it ain’t adr.They will tell you that as certain adr load’s require the sender to do thing’s a little differently.Anyone who think’s that carrying munition’s ain’t hazardous then sorry they need their head looked at.( Ian this ain’t aimed at you m8)Although this load was in the lowest category it still require’s trem card’s to move the load.So yes it is hazardous.

[simonrs2k]

KK i was joking mate

[rob_k]

kitkat:
YES…This is obviously about the situation Ian has found himself in,even though the customer said it ain’t adr.They will tell you that as certain adr load’s require the sender to do thing’s a little differently.Anyone who think’s that carrying munition’s ain’t hazardous then sorry they need their head looked at.( Ian this ain’t aimed at you m8)Although this load was in the lowest category it still require’s trem card’s to move the load.So yes it is hazardous.

It is only hazardous by SEA[/size].

[kindle530]

i agree with RobK 100%, i loaded at Radway near Stoke(prob same place as Ianyng loaded) a couple of months ago, 10 pallets of bullets and was told, as Rob said, its ONLY hazardous by sea. And this was from the company that manufactures them, and if they dont know the rules then no-one does

[kitkat]

its ONLY hazardous by sea

EH So remind me how does he get to Cyprus.

[kitkat]

Rob K:

kitkat:
YES…This is obviously about the situation Ian has found himself in,even though the customer said it ain’t adr.They will tell you that as certain adr load’s require the sender to do thing’s a little differently.Anyone who think’s that carrying munition’s ain’t hazardous then sorry they need their head looked at.( Ian this ain’t aimed at you m8)Although this load was in the lowest category it still require’s trem card’s to move the load.So yes it is hazardous.

It is only hazardous by SEA[/size].

[/quote]

But you told me ON THE PHONE THAT HE WAS TOLD BY THE FERRY OWNER’S THAT IT WASN’T CLASSED AS HAZARDOUS BY THEM.

[Lucy]

Used to deliver them regularly, non-ADR.

[Lucy]

There are different rules for how ferry companies handle stuff which is ONLY hazardous by sea, KK…basically they can treat it by “road” rules unless the ship sinks. Any good container driver will tell you that.

[dennisw1]

Just an observation of the rules then…

Bullets contain Gunpowder or Cordite, neither of which burn if they’re soaking wet. Yet will both go bang if exposed to heat like in the event of a major RTA.

So these bullets are hazardous if the ship they’re on sinks, but not a hazard if the lorry they’re in crashes/catches fire?

[dave_1]

i used to move bullets etc in my airforce days. they did not come under adr but we still put the small warning stickers on the vehicle,
in much the same way an ambulance carries a small warning sticker informing you of compressed air.

[eddie_snax]

If i remember correctly products that are only hazardous by sea require a Dangerous goods Shipping note, as does any hazardous goods that are to be carried by sea, this conforms to IMDG standards that are similar but not identical to ADR regs, that is why you sometimes get this situation arising

[wheel_nut]

Yes, but the DGSA would have advised him of the hazards, packing methods, allowed quantities, vehicle specification, etc.

He did have a DGSA didnt he?

[johnny]

SimonRS2K:
Is 1.4S Hazardous

simon

NO!

it’s limited quantities, non hazardous by road, can be carried by anyone without the requirement of an adr licence or equipment.

the driver will be supplied with a trem card for use in emergencies, this carries instructions on who to contact in the event of a leak or fire, it also carries information for the emergency services should they be required.

a dgn will be required for any sea voyage and it is this journey that will normally pose a problem to any and usually all hazardous goods no matter how large or small.

the ferry companies are now so tight and restrictive that if we carry any haz goods (and we only ever have limited quantites) that we use the shuttle because there is more chance of crossing without any problems with the papers on the shuttle than there is on the boat, the shuttle is classed as transport by road and is regulated in the same way as dartford crossing tunnel.

[spardo]

Rob K:
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It is only hazardous by SEA[/size].

[/quote]

Absolutely. Ask the captain of the Bismark .

Salut, David.

[wideload]

If ammunition is not classed as adr why do the army allways use hazchem markes on their vehicles.

[Lucy]

As a precaution, and because Military rules are different to civvy ones - which is why they are allowed to avoid tacho rules, amongst other things.

[cm]

Used to deliver 30mm rounds from Oerlikon in Springfield Road, Grantham to Tilbury in the mid 80’s, was always issued with Trem cards and sometimes had a MOD Plod in the cab for the journey.

[fred_kanka]

kitkat:
YES…This is obviously about the situation Ian has found himself in,even though the customer said it ain’t adr.They will tell you that as certain adr load’s require the sender to do thing’s a little differently.Anyone who think’s that carrying munition’s ain’t hazardous then sorry they need their head looked at.( Ian this ain’t aimed at you m8)Although this load was in the lowest category it still require’s trem card’s to move the load.So yes it is hazardous.

Class 1 you can’t carry with normal ADR Licence as Class 1 and Class 7 is extra like Tank too
you also would need a secound Person with you,but,without checking it would i say 1.4 is lower limit like seatbelts

[fred_kanka]

dennisw1:
Just an observation of the rules then…

Bullets contain Gunpowder or Cordite, neither of which burn if they’re soaking wet. Yet will both go bang if exposed to heat like in the event of a major RTA.

So these bullets are hazardous if the ship they’re on sinks, but not a hazard if the lorry they’re in crashes/catches fire?

But they explode if fire is on bord