Newcastle22:
jakethesnake:
It’s easy to see from the last couple of posts why this isn’t going away. Sheer ignorance and arrogance from people who because they don’t know anyone that’s had it.
They can’t correlate with anything simply because they don’t have the capability to understand how a virus works.
All these Doctors and nurses who died earlier this year trying to save others lives and we get someone bragging how they have never followed any rules ever yet they have never had the virus. What a hero eh. 
Feel free to to “wear” your face nappy and clap your “heroes”. If you truly believe in this virus then I suggest you stay indoors and let other folk get on with life.
Do me a favour, let me know what kind of wagon you drive, that way I can give you a wide berth and drive past if I see you broken down on the hard shoulder. I lost a good friend to Covid, I’m a community first responder and have seen first hand what this virus is doing. I’ve seen my ambulance service colleagues working their fingers to the bone. You carry on believing it doesn’t exist and I’ll raise a glass and have a bloody good chuckle if you succumb to it. 
The rubbish that’s being spouted on this and other threads is why this forum is getting quoted and quieter
Hey even the like of the anti establishment peps of Beaver ,Dozy and D dog don’t bother coming on and I’m close to saying Chuck it and going
If you want to spout your conspiracy theories all day go on FB and do it
Sent while from gods know where
youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
Professor Bhakdi interviewed regarding Covid 19 testing etc.
Presumably he’s another conspiracy theorist
blue estate:
If you want to spout your conspiracy theories all day go on FB
UN agenda 30 isn’t a conspiracy theory.
It’s supporters will obviously try to pretend it is though.
If anyone argues with that authority you’ll get upset.Oh dear what a shame.
Oh and I do believe that on balance it ain’t a fake virus but it is connected with the above agenda.
Juddian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
Professor Bhakdi interviewed regarding Covid 19 testing etc.
Presumably he’s another conspiracy theorist
Anyone who doesn’t follow the establishment ( UN ) line in any way is a conspiracy theorist.
trevHCS:
On Immunity, I know people who went down with Swine Flu amd ithers who cared for them and never got a ditto of a symptom. Thst was a genuinely nasty one even for healthy people.
It just seems to be fairly random as with most bugs, unless you’ve got something which tips the balance or it gets hold in the wrong area, like the lungs causing pnumonia.
There doesn’t appear to be much logic in why some people catch an airborn bug and get a slight cough and others catch the same as get pnumonia. Thats when it gets serious for anyone which I guess is why this one seems to be hitting a slightly wider population.
Wonder if previous vax jabs have played their part in weakening immune systems,given the ramp-up ‘get yer jabs’ that seem to be ever increasing of late?
manalishi:
trevHCS:
Wonder if previous vax jabs have played their part in weakening immune systems,given the ramp-up ‘get yer jabs’ that seem to be ever increasing of late?
Vaccination raises some interesting questions like why does the immune system need the kick of a vaccine why can’t it just respond in the same way to the actual pathogen.
So they have to inject a ‘disabled’ version of almost every nasty out there to wake up the immune system to respond to it and remember it. 
However we know that the theory works or people would still be dropping like flies from stuff like smallpox.
But on the other hand they don’t use ‘disabled’ smallpox virus for the ‘vaccine’ and Polio vaccine is known to transmit Polio so obviously not as ‘disabled’ as they’d want us to believe or even possible to ‘disable’.
Which really leaves the two questions just how ‘disabled’ are vaccines and why does the immune system need such a kick.That’s not a denial that they seem to have some effect in some way.But is that effect always as beneficial as they want us to believe.
Also bearing in mind all the other ‘bio research’ going on for anything but good motives.
Thereby in this case creating the justified suspicion of being told to take a ‘vaccine’ based on and in response to an artificial pathogen that’s been released.
Juddian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
Professor Bhakdi interviewed regarding Covid 19 testing etc.
Presumably he’s another conspiracy theorist
Well…yeah.
Because someone is clever enough to pass a driving test yesterday, and get a safer driving award today, doesn’t mean they won’t do summat daft and have an accident tomorrow.
Science relies in evidence not someone’s reputation.
Franglais:
Juddian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
Professor Bhakdi interviewed regarding Covid 19 testing etc.
Presumably he’s another conspiracy theorist
Well…yeah.
Because someone is clever enough to pass a driving test yesterday, and get a safer driving award today, doesn’t mean they won’t do summat daft and have an accident tomorrow.
Science relies in evidence not someone’s reputation.
But you’ll only accept the ‘evidence’ when it’s from those with an establishment approved reputation.You know UN world governance approved ‘reputation’.
In which case some driving licences are more equal than others.
I’ll be happy when I get my vaccination next month. 
BossHogg:
I’ll be happy when I get my vaccination next month.
I’m a little nonplussed at attitudes surrounding vaccination tbh. I certainly will not be heading up the queue of people waiting to get it, but I fully accept that if, in future it impinges my life by way of air travel, holidaying etc that I may have to bite the bullet and submit to it. It’s a decision I’ll have to make once we reach that situation.
The thing that confuses me though is why pro vaxxers get all swivel eyed and knicker twisted about those who’ve stated that they will refuse it. They are called selfish amongst other things, but why selfish? If you’re vaccinated with 90% protection from a disease that you have. 1 in 300000 chance of dying from (Dr Roger Hodkinson) then just who are non vaxxers being selfish towards? Other non vaxxers perhaps?
Statistically, most people end up dying in Hospitals than outside of them.
I suggest that if one can “avoid hospitals” then, one might live a bit longer than if one goes out of one’s way to be IN one for any reason.
“Cross infections” are more than “just about Covid”.
Has everyone forgotten about Ebola, MRSA, and AIDS already?
the maoster:
The thing that confuses me though is why pro vaxxers get all swivel eyed and knicker twisted about those who’ve stated that they will refuse it. They are called selfish amongst other things, but why selfish? If you’re vaccinated with 90% protection from a disease that you have. 1 in 300000 chance of dying from (Dr Roger Hodkinson) then just who are non vaxxers being selfish towards? Other non vaxxers perhaps?
Anyone who is pro forced medication clearly has dangerous control freak tendencies and can only question their motivation.My bet is pro forced vaccination = pro agenda 30 and the obvious intent of the UN in that regard.
These are the same people who’ll resort to ‘human rights’ legislation when it suits their own agenda.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Juddian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
Professor Bhakdi interviewed regarding Covid 19 testing etc.
Presumably he’s another conspiracy theorist
Well…yeah.
Because someone is clever enough to pass a driving test yesterday, and get a safer driving award today, doesn’t mean they won’t do summat daft and have an accident tomorrow.
Science relies in evidence not someone’s reputation.
But you’ll only accept the ‘evidence’ when it’s from those with an establishment approved reputation.You know UN world governance approved ‘reputation’.
In which case some driving licences are more equal than others.
Whereas on the other side conspiracy theorists will only accept evidence from fellow shouty conspiracy theorists, like Alex Jones who’s always a real laugh to watch esp right now as he’s more unhinged than ever. Just do what most of us do, take info from various sources and not get irate or angry about things that we can’t really change any way. I mean the fact none of these huge conspiracy theories have ever been proven beyond doubt to be true means one of two things. Either that the people behind them are very good at what they do and wield enormous power or that none of these theories are true. Either way not really much point getting our knickers in a twist over as all it’s just pointless
the maoster:
BossHogg:
I’ll be happy when I get my vaccination next month.
I’m a little nonplussed at attitudes surrounding vaccination tbh. I certainly will not be heading up the queue of people waiting to get it, but I fully accept that if, in future it impinges my life by way of air travel, holidaying etc that I may have to bite the bullet and submit to it. It’s a decision I’ll have to make once we reach that situation.
The thing that confuses me though is why pro vaxxers get all swivel eyed and knicker twisted about those who’ve stated that they will refuse it. They are called selfish amongst other things, but why selfish? If you’re vaccinated with 90% protection from a disease that you have. 1 in 300000 chance of dying from (Dr Roger Hodkinson) then just who are non vaxxers being selfish towards? Other non vaxxers perhaps?
Herd immunity only works if a sufficient proportion of the population has the vaccination, (or has immunity through antibodies from previous infection).
That varies according to how virulent the particular virus is.
Some groups cannot be vaccinated or don’t respond to a vaccination. (Maybe allergy or weakened immune system)
These need to rely on others to stop spread of any virus. They rely on others in their own society to aid them.
There is a risk to having any medical treatment, including vaccinations. Nothing is zero risk after all. But the number of vaccinations given resulting in bad side effects, is tiny compared with lives saved and other injury.
BUT there is a inequality in what we see.
We never see an absence of deaths. We don’t see an absence of deaf or blind kids from measles, mumps etc
We do see one or two bad outcomes.
One or two coffins are seen. The hundreds of coffins we don’t see…We don’t see…
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Oh. And I do accept that some are genuinely worried about vaccines. I don’t think their worries are justified, but I don’t see the need to call them swivel-eyed knicker twisters or whatever.
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Dr Roger Hodgkinson has written about the numbers on COVID. He is a minority in his views and theories. Being a minority doesn’t automatically make him wrong. Neither does it make him a noble underdog battling “the man”.
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I’m an antivaxxer and I really am fed up with the bullying I am subjected to on social media because of it. My opinions are genuine, and formed from personal experience. It honestly is the worst carpet cleaner I’ve ever owned.
the maoster:
The thing that confuses me though is why pro vaxxers get all swivel eyed and knicker twisted about those who’ve stated that they will refuse it. They are called selfish amongst other things, but why selfish? If you’re vaccinated with 90% protection from a disease that you have. 1 in 300000 chance of dying from (Dr Roger Hodkinson) then just who are non vaxxers being selfish towards? Other non vaxxers perhaps?
The clue is in your own post - the vaccines are only around 90% effective, which means that even if everyone had the jab, 10% of the population would still be vulnerable to infection. There will also be some people who cannot have the jab for various reasons, and still others whose immune systems are already compromised by various conditions and therapies which they are already receiving due to cancer etc, so the vaccine won’t work for them at all. A non-vaxxer is effectively sticking two fingers up to them and saying “■■■■ you, my own preferences are more important than your well-being.”
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Juddian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
Professor Bhakdi interviewed regarding Covid 19 testing etc.
Presumably he’s another conspiracy theorist
Well…yeah.
Because someone is clever enough to pass a driving test yesterday, and get a safer driving award today, doesn’t mean they won’t do summat daft and have an accident tomorrow.
Science relies in evidence not someone’s reputation.
It is usually an uphill push for an “unestablished” scientist to get their hot new theory accepted by the so-called “Orthodox” Community.
But you’ll only accept the ‘evidence’ when it’s from those with an establishment approved reputation.You know UN world governance approved ‘reputation’.
In which case some driving licences are more equal than others.
Whereas on the other side conspiracy theorists will only accept evidence from fellow shouty conspiracy theorists, like Alex Jones who’s always a real laugh to watch esp right now as he’s more unhinged than ever. Just do what most of us do, take info from various sources and not get irate or angry about things that we can’t really change any way. I mean the fact none of these huge conspiracy theories have ever been proven beyond doubt to be true means one of two things. Either that the people behind them are very good at what they do and wield enormous power or that none of these theories are true. Either way not really much point getting our knickers in a twist over as all it’s just pointless
Funny enough, I’m not actually a fan of Alex Jones, as his wild histrionics tend to give the entire infowars movement a bad name…
I prefer this guy’s take on stuff, associate of Alex Jones that he may be…
Roymondo:
the maoster:
The thing that confuses me though is why pro vaxxers get all swivel eyed and knicker twisted about those who’ve stated that they will refuse it. They are called selfish amongst other things, but why selfish? If you’re vaccinated with 90% protection from a disease that you have. 1 in 300000 chance of dying from (Dr Roger Hodkinson) then just who are non vaxxers being selfish towards? Other non vaxxers perhaps?
The clue is in your own post - the vaccines are only around 90% effective, which means that even if everyone had the jab, 10% of the population would still be vulnerable to infection. There will also be some people who cannot have the jab for various reasons, and still others whose immune systems are already compromised by various conditions and therapies which they are already receiving due to cancer etc, so the vaccine won’t work for them at all. A non-vaxxer is effectively sticking two fingers up to them and saying “[zb] you, my own preferences are more important than your well-being.”
Consider this: If Covid is NOT going to kill 99% of us, then any “vaccine” whether 50% effective or 99% effective - can only possibly “eradicate” Covid once the 1% that are going to get it - are all dead, or already beyond passing it onto anyone else. If it can ever be passed onto anyone else, then it always comes back to “you, the infected - have to be dead to ensure total eradication.”
… And if THAT is the case - the only thing being “Eradicated” is always going to be you first. 
