alamcculloch:
I have heard (drivers B.S. possibly) that the Dutch are exempting drivers who were born before 1953. and that E.U. countries can implement the DCPC as they see fit.I have done 2 modules so far ,sitting beside sleepy and bored drivers.
I have delivered DCPC to hundreds of drivers and never seen a bored and sleepy one yet.
I believe it is correct that each country has been able to impliment the DCPC as they see fit and the UK has already done that. Our version is done differently than other countries but the rules have been written and implimented so are unlikely to change
I would hope something drastic does change as otherwise there are two industries (PCV & HGV) heading for a disaster. it makes sense that it HAS to change, especially when they are already forecasting 30 - 50% shortages of training providers to be able to meet the deadlines and each week it gets worse.
alamcculloch:
I have heard (drivers B.S. possibly) that the Dutch are exempting drivers who were born before 1953. and that E.U. countries can implement the DCPC as they see fit.
As with all EU directives the individual countries can stipulate their own requirements for the Driver CPC but the EU Directive 2003/59/EC lays down minimum requirements that should be adhered to by all EU countries.
so what are our EU neighbours doing about dcpc? anybody know? ive just done mine with the bus company a week off the road lasts till 2019 and covers HGV as well. no mention of first aid though
jobcentre plus>collected my i.l.a. app.form filled it in (2 be eligble u must earn less than£22000 per annum or be in receipt of benifits , ) off it went (couple of wks ago, got my training voucher for £200 , booked 2 courses of 7 hrs each course >digi tacho then 1st aid basic,14 hours towards my 35 hr cpc , AND AND the 1st aid basic course ?what an eye opener(no joke intended !) worth doing guys , AND!!! u get a 1st aid cert. as an aside 2 the 7 hrs towards your cpc , so, its a win win!!! you got to do it, so use the provisions laid on for you !!! if , next year , the I.L.A. fund is still available i and u can do perhaps another 2 courses towards the 35 hr cpc !!! good , eh
dilbert:
so what are our EU neighbours doing about dcpc? anybody know?
Ireland:
Set syllabus of 5 modules (4 modules common to both lorry and bus + 1 module specific) by the Road Safety Authority (RSA).
1 module / 7 hours have to completed each year (Sept-Aug), modules can be done in any order.
If you hold a lorry and bus categories then in order to qualify for both, an extra 7 hours need to be completed (42 hours total)
As you can see from the above, a bit of gold-plating of the EU regs.
Judging from the number of drivers who don’t know what maximum gross weight restrictions are all about the DCPC must have a use. I took the EPIC DCPC course 2 weeks ago and despite never watching the mixer part as there were no mixer drivers present, filled in the mixer test questions and passed them. I know DCPC isn’t test based, but it makes a joke of the system when someone who has never driven a mixer or had any training on them can get a “ticket” to use one.
dilbert:
so what are our EU neighbours doing about dcpc? anybody know?
Ireland:
Set syllabus of 5 modules (4 modules common to both lorry and bus + 1 module specific) by the Road Safety Authority (RSA).
1 module / 7 hours have to completed each year (Sept-Aug), modules can be done in any order.
If you hold a lorry and bus categories then in order to qualify for both, an extra 7 hours need to be completed (42 hours total)
As you can see from the above, a bit of gold-plating of the EU regs.
What are the common to both lorry and bus modules?
I have found it difficult to find common courses. I deliver a walkround check/defect type course but JAUPT won’t let me deliver this to PCV drivers as their checks are different.
I have a manual handling course - HGV only as they say it doesn’t apply to PCV - the amount of suitcases some coach drivers have to man handle - and passengers struggling with the steps etc
Even the EU Rules and Domestic Rules are different between the two. I have tried having a mixed classroom before - HGV & PCV for hours rules - stupid idea, too many differences and got the HGV drivers confused
I like the idea of 1 module per year - how it was meant to be. That’d stop the massive crisis looming for both industries.
Muckaway:
Judging from the number of drivers who don’t know what maximum gross weight restrictions are all about
Just pop into the Rules and Regulations section and see the hours questions being asked in there … DCPC is definitly needed in some form but I believe it should target employers to provide training to drivers.
The fact it is the drivers responsibility is wrong.
Muckaway:
Judging from the number of drivers who don’t know what maximum gross weight restrictions are all about
Just pop into the Rules and Regulations section and see the hours questions being asked in there … DCPC is definitly needed in some form but I believe it should target employers to provide training to drivers.
The fact it is the drivers responsibility is wrong.
you will actually find that most of the drivers are asking these questions, simply to double check his interpretation of the regs, this is due to the plain english that we use, and the plain english the EU uses.
there are many areas of the regs that can be interpreted in several ways, this is the way i like it, it makes it much more difficult to secure a conviction/roadside fine.
limeyphil:
but there isn’t any specific syllabus for the DCPC, so what is actually stopping someone from doing it this way?
There is a syllabus. Any courses submitted for approval have to fit the criteria or they don’t get approved.
Apart from that - the reason this isn’t done is because the rules state it must be 7 hours of contact with a trainer - whether he’s a ■■■■ or half decent - you gotta be there with him for the 7 hours.
Pete
Premises also have to be approved and inspected, instructors approved and watched in action.Thought about doing it myself but too much hassle, one area of the transport industry where big bucks are to be made though !! Look at an example, 10 people pay £80 each for a one day course, total £800. Rent a room for a day, say £100. Pay instructor say £150, lay on a few butties, £50 Total costs £200.Even if you allow another £100 forworksheets etc profit still around £ 500.
Only an educated guess but nice work if you can get it. My guess is that the buddies of the politicians that brought the law in will have their noses in the trough.
limeyphil:
but there isn’t any specific syllabus for the DCPC, so what is actually stopping someone from doing it this way?
There is a syllabus. Any courses submitted for approval have to fit the criteria or they don’t get approved.
Apart from that - the reason this isn’t done is because the rules state it must be 7 hours of contact with a trainer - whether he’s a ■■■■ or half decent - you gotta be there with him for the 7 hours.
Pete
Premises also have to be approved and inspected, instructors approved and watched in action.Thought about doing it myself but too much hassle, one area of the transport industry where big bucks are to be made though !! Look at an example, 10 people pay £80 each for a one day course, total £800. Rent a room for a day, say £100. Pay instructor say £150, lay on a few butties, £50 Total costs £200.Even if you allow another £100 forworksheets etc profit still around £ 500.
Only an educated guess but nice work if you can get it. My guess is that the buddies of the politicians that brought the law in will have their noses in the trough.
Squiddy:
Limeyphil, i didnt even read your original post (O P), but some how I know enough about you to know you are a ■■■■ without even reading you OP.
No offence like
no offence like…
prick
so you have opened up a thread and without reading it thought you would just insult someone instead,
no offence like but your a liar as well as a prick.
Squiddy:
Limeyphil, i didnt even read your original post (O P), but some how I know enough about you to know you are a ■■■■ without even reading you OP.
No offence like
no offence like…
prick
so you have opened up a thread and without reading it thought you would just insult someone instead,
no offence like but your a liar as well as a prick.
i wasn’t offended in any way whatsoever. i know i post a lot of things that are supposed to be funny, or the odd wind up. but in doing this, i know it isn’t to everyones tastes.
he admitted to not bothering to read the thread, he just went straight in with some abuse, so he made himself look like a complete ■■■■, now that is funny.
shep532:
What are the common to both lorry and bus modules?..I like the idea of 1 module per year - how it was meant to be. That’d stop the massive crisis looming for both industries.
Control of the vehicle and eco-driving techniques
Minimising risks and managing emergencies in the transport industry
Health and safety for the professional driver
Role of the professional driver in the transport industry
I know the Dutch already have the chauffeur diploma, but I found this today■■?
In Holland the drivers need to take a 7 hour refresher course relation to fuel efficient driving as part of the 35 hours training.The manufactures have train the trainer courses for the bigger operators however there is to date no information available in relation of the benefits as Holland does not implement the drivers CPC until September 2016.
limeyphil:
but there isn’t any specific syllabus for the DCPC, so what is actually stopping someone from doing it this way?
There is a syllabus. Any courses submitted for approval have to fit the criteria or they don’t get approved.
Apart from that - the reason this isn’t done is because the rules state it must be 7 hours of contact with a trainer - whether he’s a ■■■■ or half decent - you gotta be there with him for the 7 hours.
Pete
Premises also have to be approved and inspected, instructors approved and watched in action.Thought about doing it myself but too much hassle, one area of the transport industry where big bucks are to be made though !! Look at an example, 10 people pay £80 each for a one day course, total £800. Rent a room for a day, say £100. Pay instructor say £150, lay on a few butties, £50 Total costs £200.Even if you allow another £100 forworksheets etc profit still around £ 500.
Only an educated guess but nice work if you can get it. My guess is that the buddies of the politicians that brought the law in will have their noses in the trough.
I think you missed a few things
Centre approval £1500. Course approval £250 per 7 hour course. Liability insurance £lots. Professional indemnity insurance £lots. Tax on your earnings. DSA upload fee of £8.75 per person etc. Suddenly the £800 a day gets quite a lot smaller.
Now try to find 10 people who want to go on a course on the same day and for the subjects you have on offer.
Now try to do that at least 3 times a week - which is what you need to do if you want to make a ‘living’ from it.
limeyphil:
but there isn’t any specific syllabus for the DCPC, so what is actually stopping someone from doing it this way?
There is a syllabus. Any courses submitted for approval have to fit the criteria or they don’t get approved.
Apart from that - the reason this isn’t done is because the rules state it must be 7 hours of contact with a trainer - whether he’s a ■■■■ or half decent - you gotta be there with him for the 7 hours.
Pete
Premises also have to be approved and inspected, instructors approved and watched in action.Thought about doing it myself but too much hassle, one area of the transport industry where big bucks are to be made though !! Look at an example, 10 people pay £80 each for a one day course, total £800. Rent a room for a day, say £100. Pay instructor say £150, lay on a few butties, £50 Total costs £200.Even if you allow another £100 forworksheets etc profit still around £ 500.
Only an educated guess but nice work if you can get it. My guess is that the buddies of the politicians that brought the law in will have their noses in the trough.
I think you missed a few things
Centre approval £1500. Course approval £250 per 7 hour course. Liability insurance £lots. Professional indemnity insurance £lots. Tax on your earnings. DSA upload fee of £8.75 per person etc. Suddenly the £800 a day gets quite a lot smaller.
Now try to find 10 people who want to go on a course on the same day and for the subjects you have on offer.
Now try to do that at least 3 times a week - which is what you need to do if you want to make a ‘living’ from it.
Trust me - I know from experience.
Appreciate what you are saying and did say was an only an educated guess, maybe not so educated !! Most of the costs you mention are start up costs though and once up and running and with own premises to start with I still think there is money to be made. I would think that in the future, if not already, large firms will set up their own training facilities.
Like Shep my DCPC courses are as little as 40 pound so not even a pond a week to keep your job. Imo the driver should be given this course by their company.
I have delivered courses on a daily basis since this come into force and as stated many a times I have never had bad feedback.
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I do not understand drivers paying 80 pound a course thats day light robbery. If taught correctly by the right person everyone will learn something. you will be amazed how poor the drivers knowledge really is. We are not always there to teach we are there to refresh your knowledge as a lot of drivers forget the rules as they get stuck in a rut doing the same sort of work day in day out. .
Bottom line is either do it or get a new career from what I have seen so far most of the drivers who turn up with attitude are the ones who know the least and imo the industry will be a better place without them.
Shep can you pm you details it could be good to have another trainer to network with
