Unaccounted mileage or driving without a card happens.
If it happens after Fred took his card out, before Joe put his in, it can easily be explained.
If it happens over night when a regular driver is at home that too can be explained.
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If it happens halfway through Your shift, how will You explain it?
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And it is very easily seen.
Franglais:
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If it happens halfway through Your shift, how will You explain it?
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And it is very easily seen.
Hi dvsa was at a customer yard was told it would be 3hours plus told to leave key at the desk and off I could go on a break
Ben do what you want. You’ve been told. Don’t come crying when the TC revokes your licence and your company sacks you. No further discussion required here.
TruckDriverBen:
Franglais:
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If it happens halfway through Your shift, how will You explain it?
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And it is very easily seen.Hi dvsa was at a customer yard was told it would be 3hours plus told to leave key at the desk and off I could go on a break
You go off on a break, and the customer moves your truck?
Moving your truck 20ft forward won’t even register as driving on the tacho. A friend told me. Don’t know about the card out though, that may trigger it. Leave card in on BREAK, move truck a bit then immediately put tacho back on BREAK, your break should still be running uninterrupted.
TruckDriverBen:
Rob, my point was is it safe for me to do this. Iv spoken to many driver they said dvsa don’t give a rat ■■■ if its under ‘x’ amount of distance or ‘x’ amount of time if its practically no milageEspecially if its off road
Ok, but the thread title reads ‘‘Is this against the law’’.
Why give them ANY excuse to do you however tenuous or not,.why not just do the job to the law, safe in the knowledge your arse is totally covered.
If the job needs you to do dodgy stuff for whatever reason, it aint worth doing…the 80s free for all days are long gone. 
You say they don’t give a stuff, Aye right…wait to you encounter a major ■■■■ up scenario and they start digging afterwards.
"Guys I work at a blue chip company green light " The reason they have this Green light is because they analyse your tacho downloads to the Nth degree and will pick up straight away on a card ejection during a shift. They will find it and you will not be working there ever again as its tricks like this that will lose them the green light.
peirre:
In my case I used to get 8hrs pay IF cancelled within 2hrs, then it went to 4hrs pay within 2hrs. But it’s a long while since I’ve seen anyone guaranteed 8hrs for a cancelled shift.
There’s way too many knuckle head agency drivers running around for pennies, the entrepreneurial Ltd Co drivers literally ripped the bottom out of the market and the agencies helped them to the bottom, you need to be PAYE & higher up the pecking order these day to ensure you will get paid for your time should you get cancelled
Done agency for 5 years.
Varies in reality by agency, some will pay you 8 hours if they cancel within say 30 mins of start time or thereafter. Have turned up once miles from home and they cancelled and got nowt so was not a happy bear but that’s life.
No the bit I like, in the OP was the reference to being paid in advance !! Wish I could get that. Id be cancelling all the time 
Sussed out what he meant, but he completely banjaxed it up.
Sand Fisher:
peirre:
In my case I used to get 8hrs pay IF cancelled within 2hrs, then it went to 4hrs pay within 2hrs. But it’s a long while since I’ve seen anyone guaranteed 8hrs for a cancelled shift.
There’s way too many knuckle head agency drivers running around for pennies, the entrepreneurial Ltd Co drivers literally ripped the bottom out of the market and the agencies helped them to the bottom, you need to be PAYE & higher up the pecking order these day to ensure you will get paid for your time should you get cancelledDone agency for 5 years.
Varies in reality by agency, some will pay you 8 hours if they cancel within say 30 mins of start time or thereafter. Have turned up once miles from home and they cancelled and got nowt so was not a happy bear but that’s life.
No the bit I like, in the OP was the reference to being paid in advance !! Wish I could get that. Id be cancelling all the time
Sussed out what he meant, but he completely banjaxed it up.
My clause is 8 hours charge if cancelled after 10am for a night shift that night and no alternative work provided in lieu. The reason for this time is because if it’s any later you’ve no chance of getting night work elsewhere as all the companies will have booked their night agency drivers by about 11am, often earlier. Only had to put it to the test twice. One agency refused to pay it and tbh I couldn’t be bothered with the hassle of persuing it so I told them I wouldn’t be doing any more work for them, which was their loss losing a good reliable driver over £96 at the time. Another agency didn’t even bat an eyelid and just paid it when they got the invoice 
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Fuzrat:
"Guys I work at a blue chip company green light " The reason they have this Green light is because they analyse your tacho downloads to the Nth degree and will pick up straight away on a card ejection during a shift. They will find it and you will not be working there ever again as its tricks like this that will lose them the green light.
Absolutely.
The vehicle head will record a movement without a card in.
The DVSA would ask for an explanation from the operator. They dont need to go over discs as they had to in the past, they dont even need a computer. Just select “Events” in the “Print” menu and your sins are exposed.
ETS:
Moving your truck 20ft forward won’t even register as driving on the tacho. A friend told me. Don’t know about the card out though, that may trigger it. Leave card in on BREAK, move truck a bit then immediately put tacho back on BREAK, your break should still be running uninterrupted.
If on break and the vehicle moves a short distance the tacho will go to drive, but if you quickly (<30sec?) reselect break, it will not interrupt your break. This does not mean it isnt registered, it means the tacho "allows" this move. Older tachos wouldnt allow this move.
You say “blue chip” company…
My guess is they’ll clock onto this and you’ll not be working for this blue chip company for much longer if caught. That’s part of the deal at a blue chip company and also why they are green with DVSA, because they come down on stuff like this.
To be honest, in the nicest way possible and based on many of your posts, you sound like a complete bellend so ignore everything and do what you like anyway
toonsy:
To be honest, in the nicest way possible and based on many of your posts, you sound like a complete bellend so ignore everything and do what you like anyway
Careful with your language or I shall report you. Your just mad I can do lots of 15hr day and earn 1k after per week no need to be upset
TruckDriverBen:
toonsy:
To be honest, in the nicest way possible and based on many of your posts, you sound like a complete bellend so ignore everything and do what you like anywayCareful with your language or I shall report you. Your just mad I can do lots of 15hr day and earn 1k after per week no need to be upset
TruckDriverBen:
toonsy:
To be honest, in the nicest way possible and based on many of your posts, you sound like a complete bellend so ignore everything and do what you like anywayCareful with your language or I shall report you. Your just mad I can do lots of 15hr day and earn 1k after per week no need to be upset
Yes mad. That’s exactly it 
Ref reporting… Crack on flower
robroy:
So you’re asking …‘‘Is doing something illegal …ie doing something but recording something entirely different on your tacho record, legal.and/or acceptable’’ ?
So what do YOU think?
More precisely what reads like recording driving and POA as daily rest period ?.
What could possibly go wrong.
Franglais:
If on break and the vehicle moves a short distance the tacho will go to drive, but if you quickly (<30sec?) reselect break, it will not interrupt your break. This does not mean it isnt registered, it means the tacho "allows" this move. Older tachos wouldnt allow this move.
Leading the stupid into temptation.
It makes no difference even if it’s log books.If the record says or implies one thing but reality was something different it’s opening a can of worms.
At least unless it’s booking daily rest or break as driving or duty.As opposed to vice versa.
TruckDriverBen:
I can do lots of 15hr day and earn 1k after per week no need to be upset
Uh ok, enjoy your 40% tax rate then
TruckDriverBen:
toonsy:
To be honest, in the nicest way possible and based on many of your posts, you sound like a complete bellend so ignore everything and do what you like anywayCareful with your language or I shall report you. Your just mad I can do lots of 15hr day and earn 1k after per week no need to be upset
Tbf mate, I don’t think anybody on here gives a flying ■■■■ what you earn, if you earn a grand a week, then good on yer, fill yer Doc’s.
Secondky whenever anybody threatens with the words ‘report you’ they usually come a long way down in people’s estimations, it kinda smacks of schooldays ‘‘Sir, sir’ those boys are being nasty to me’'…
It’s usually better just to throw as good back, it’s more ‘trucker’ and grown up …just saying like. 
ETS:
TruckDriverBen:
I can do lots of 15hr day and earn 1k after per week no need to be upsetUh ok, enjoy your 40% tax rate then
Since one can only do 3 15 hour shifts per week - how come there are not actual 45 hour weeks over those 3 days available officially via a full time contract?
TruckDriverBen:
Rob, my point was is it safe for me to do this. Iv spoken to many driver they said dvsa don’t give a rat ■■■ if its under ‘x’ amount of distance or ‘x’ amount of time if its practically no milageEspecially if its off road
The point is Ben is the drivers who have said DVSa won’t care won’t be attending court with you or stood with there credit card ready to pay your fine , theyl be nowhere to be seen
That what you’ve got to remember , it will be you paying the £776 fine , you possibly traveling from one end of the country to the other to attend court etc etc etc .
I only had mins without card in , after 1 1/2 yrs I thought they’d not bother , but they did
I also had a night at Carlisle Vosa station , lorry immobilised , I just wanted to get out of there , I’d had enough , if I could of walked from Carlisle to Grantham I would of , but mates & Vosa blokes talked me out of it
I’d also add the clerk of the court was on about a custodial sentence , and 1 of the 3 judges was nodding her head at her , it was only the DVSa solicitor saying we’re not asking for a custodial senstance that stopped them , stopped that stupid clerk of the court
Now you’d think all that was bad enough but the worst part was the journey home from Carlisle - grantham , I think my mrs took her 30 yrs of pain & suffering & a day at Carlisle out on me , she never stopped all the way back , she went on & on , she must of jabbed her finger in my chops about a hundred times , my only rest bite was telling her I needed the toilet at wetherby , and 10 mins sat on the loo even though I didn’t t need it .