newmercman:
That’s the one, it wasn’t successful as the rest of the drive train couldn’t cope with the “power” of the big Percy. However it did drive out of the factory with an 8LXB under the cab and therefore it’s the real deal.
just a quick question why wouldn’t the rest of the drive train take the power… Guy had the same axle and fuller box for the
350 ■■■■■■■ the 290 ■■■■■■■ and the 280 rolls royce…■■?
John
John, I’ve no idea, but that’s what the man that drove the lorry told me.
I always though Perkins engines were referred to as Percy
newmercman:
That’s the one, it wasn’t successful as the rest of the drive train couldn’t cope with the “power” of the big Percy. However it did drive out of the factory with an 8LXB under the cab and therefore it’s the real deal.
just a quick question why wouldn’t the rest of the drive train take the power… Guy had the same axle and fuller box for the
350 ■■■■■■■ the 290 ■■■■■■■ and the 280 rolls royce…■■?
John
John, I’ve no idea, but that’s what the man that drove the lorry told me.
I always though Perkins engines were referred to as Percy
The kids programme Blue Peter had a gardener named Percy Thrower
hence “Percy” when regarding Gardner Diesel engines
newmercman:
That’s the one, it wasn’t successful as the rest of the drive train couldn’t cope with the “power” of the big Percy. However it did drive out of the factory with an 8LXB under the cab and therefore it’s the real deal.
just a quick question why wouldn’t the rest of the drive train take the power… Guy had the same axle and fuller box for the
350 ■■■■■■■ the 290 ■■■■■■■ and the 280 rolls royce…■■?
John
John, I’ve no idea, but that’s what the man that drove the lorry told me.
I always though Perkins engines were referred to as Percy
Perhaps you meant “Perkie” Spud!!!..just a thought don’t you know!!!
marky:
They were nicknamed by some as a ‘Percy’ due to the famous TV gardener at the time, Percy Thrower. Perhaps it goes some way to explaining how tenuous the link is by the obvious discrepency in spelling…
I did wonder if it was connected to the Blue Peter gardener
Once, back in the day, I was delivering some " Baby Bio " ( remember that ? ) plant food to a florist ■■■ garden supply shop in Ashton u lyne . As I dashed into the shop and put the boxes down, I caught a glimpse of a chap out of the corner of my eye and said " just 2 boxes mate can you sign for them please". He didn’t answer, and when I turned to face him, I realised I was talking to a life size cardboard cut out of Percy Thrower !!! . This was all to the amusement of the young lady who emerged from the back of the shop.
I was a young driver at the time, and this was no way to " look cool " as they say today, she was still giggling as I shot back out to the lorry
Regards. John.
OK Lads ,now then ! your turning this very important thread into a ■■■■■■■ farce !! It’s very serious I’ll have you know and it is akin to searching for the “Holy Grail” as no one has yet come up with that elusive side on shot and well respected Senior members and contributors to TNUK have even gone to the Great café in the sky without ever knowing if there was ever such a “beast” ! So lets keep the “craic” sensible eh! Bewick.
Just a quick question that may or may not help but having looked at a fair few pictures of Guy big J ,s on this 8 cylinder quest , has any one else noticed the size of the front mounted silencer on the G L Baker unit a few posts ago compared to the aec 505 , ■■■■■■■ 220 and 6lX units ? It appears twice the size !And the 335 ■■■■■■■ ones were fitted up the back of the cab as that is where the turbo was mounted
Perhaps as that it is so large it might be easy to cross reference it in a parts manual to just a few or just one application could ,it be the answer was looking straight at us . Just a thought but unfortunately I have not parts books to check .
8LXBV8BRIAN:
If you look at the Evans motor with the 8LXB in it from the front then look at the Bewick motor with
the 6LXB from the front the exhaust collector box is twice the size on the 8LXB motor i wonder why that
is then.
Yes i did mention it a bit back - as the 6lxb and ■■■■■■■ 205 and 220 fitted
in Atkinsons had small Dia downpipe to exhaust silencers, the ■■■■■■■ 225/250 and Gardner 8lxb had a large dia downpipe
with large exhaust silencer the same as the air intake/filter setup, so would think t`was the same with GUY - -
Back on page 71.
Edit not how i wanted it ho-hum. - .
8LXBV8BRIAN:
If you look at the Evans motor with the 8LXB in it from the front then look at the Bewick motor with
the 6LXB from the front the exhaust collector box is twice the size on the 8LXB motor i wonder why that
is then.
Yes i did mention it a bit back - as the 6lxb and ■■■■■■■ 205 and 220 fitted
in Atkinsons had small Dia downpipe to exhaust silencers, the ■■■■■■■ 225/250 and Gardner 8lxb had a large dia downpipe
with large exhaust silencer the same as the air intake/filter setup, so would think t`was the same with GUY - -
Back on page 71.
skane:
Just a quick question that may or may not help but having looked at a fair few pictures of Guy big J ,s on this 8 cylinder quest , has any one else noticed the size of the front mounted silencer on the G L Baker unit a few posts ago compared to the aec 505 , ■■■■■■■ 220 and 6lX units ? It appears twice the size !And the 335 ■■■■■■■ ones were fitted up the back of the cab as that is where the turbo was mounted
Perhaps as that it is so large it might be easy to cross reference it in a parts manual to just a few or just one application could ,it be the answer was looking straight at us . Just a thought but unfortunately I have not parts books to check .
I’m sorry but I have no side on shots of this 8LXB Big J we ran at McGuffie Transport Services in the 70’s,Oh! well same as everyone else I suppose Bewick.
Bewick: I’m sorry but I have no side on shots of this 8LXB Big J we ran at McGuffie Transport Services in the 70’s,Oh! well same as everyone else I suppose Bewick.
Bewick: I’m sorry but I have no side on shots of this 8LXB Big J we ran at McGuffie Transport Services in the 70’s,Oh! well same as everyone else I suppose Bewick.
Looks like Crooklands Dennis?
Correct Dave ! that would be about an early/mid 1975 shot when we struggled a bit for trailer parking prior to buying out K. Fells and the old Milnthorpe rail sidings in 1976 when all our parking problems disappeared ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick: I’m sorry but I have no side on shots of this 8LXB Big J we ran at McGuffie Transport Services in the 70’s,Oh! well same as everyone else I suppose Bewick.
Looks like Crooklands Dennis?
Correct Dave ! that would be about an early/mid 1975 [zb] when we struggled a bit for trailer parking prior to buying out K. Fells and the old Milnthorpe rail sidings in 1976 when all our parking problems disappeared ! Cheers Dennis.
I used to do 2 change overs with Maddiston on nights,bloody aweful car park surface,I recall one night with my first change over,the flippin’ screen fell out of the Big J,pouring on the way back to Manchester,absolutely soaked as I drove into North Street, Cheetham Hill for my second load,change units for a decent ERF,flew back up to Crooklands,picked up a load of synthetic rubber,took it straight down to cafe in Market Drayton,changed trailers and back to Manchester,still damp it has to be said!!
5thwheel:
I used to do 2 change overs with Maddiston on nights,bloody aweful car park surface,I recall one night with my first change over,the flippin’ screen fell out of the Big J,pouring on the way back to Manchester,absolutely soaked as I drove into North Street, Cheetham Hill for my second load,change units for a decent ERF,flew back up to Crooklands,picked up a load of synthetic rubber,took it straight down to cafe in Market Drayton,changed trailers and back to Manchester,still damp it has to be said!!
David
Hello David…that was unusual for a BigJ…never had one or knew of one that did that, you were just unlucky that night…I know some of the glass fibre cabbed lorries would sometimes pop a screen with the twisting, a Seddon and an ERF spring to mind…
I’ve taken a few loads of rubber into Market Drayton at various times, from ISR Hythe, there was a transport cafe just down the road, on the right if you were heading towards a Brom, only ever stayed there the once, really awful place…all along time ago…
We once had a Big J roll over on the A590 at the Lindale roundabout on it’s way to BCL at Barrow with a 22ton load of pulp, it landed on the grass and the screen popped out, in tact, and landed softly on the verge, the ■■■■ of a driver also stepped out through the “opening” unhurt ! So when we repaired the motor the screen was refitted ! Cheers Bewick.
Ouseburn Transport Newcastle had a problem with a couple of their new Motor Panels cabbed Seddon’s popping the screen out, I’m not sure what was done to prevent it but they had no further incidents once the distributers had been informed. Talking of drivers getting out of damaged cabs unscathed, one driver with the same company had taken over the job of running girders to a Tyne shipyard, a job my Father was doing in his Seddon until his Summer break when the other lad took over in his Sister vehicle. These girders overhung the front of the cab and tressles were used to transport them, unfortunately no body told this driver the tressles had to be bolted to the trailer floor and on the way to his destination he had to brake hard resulting in the girders toppling forward and coming down on the cab which proceeded to crush at an alarming rate. Now this driver wasn’t a small lad but managed to eject himself out the drivers open window before this gap was noticeably reduced. Everyone including the driver could not explain how he managed to get out unharmed in time before the cab was totally crushed, I don’t think the screen survived this time though! Franky.
Frankydobo:
Ouseburn Transport Newcastle had a problem with a couple of their new Motor Panels cabbed Seddon’s popping the screen out, I’m not sure what was done to prevent it but they had no further incidents once the distributers had been informed. Talking of drivers getting out of damaged cabs unscathed, one driver with the same company had taken over the job of running girders to a Tyne shipyard, a job my Father was doing in his Seddon until his Summer break when the other lad took over in his Sister vehicle. These girders overhung the front of the cab and tressles were used to transport them, unfortunately no body told this driver the tressles had to be bolted to the trailer floor and on the way to his destination he had to brake hard resulting in the girders toppling forward and coming down on the cab which proceeded to crush at an alarming rate. Now this driver wasn’t a small lad but managed to eject himself out the drivers open window before this gap was noticeably reduced. Everyone including the driver could not explain how he managed to get out unharmed in time before the cab was totally crushed, I don’t think the screen survived this time though! Franky.
Hi Franky, Would I be correct in saying that the late Jimmy Simmons drove a Big J For Steenburghs, Regards Larry.
Hi Larry, not a Big J they didn’t have them just the Motor Panels cabbed Seddons, they were Seddon users for many years and Fords but this was something to do with one of the Steenberg brothers had married into a Ford dealership family member, may have been Crossling not sure. Jim was a good mate of my Dads they done night trunk to Mossley together for a while, Jim always called him ‘Fatha’, he told me once he learnt a lot from him. He was quite upset when he heard of Jims death on the A59, I worked at Fergusons Sunderland depot at the time, a tragic loss. Jim did drive car transporters when he left Steenbergs and may well have driven a Big J then Larry. No doubting one of transports characters but one of the old school too from the good old days eh. Franky.
Frankydobo:
Hi Larry, not a Big J they didn’t have them just the Motor Panels cabbed Seddons, they were Seddon users for many years and Fords but this was something to do with one of the Steenberg brothers had married into a Ford dealership family member, may have been Crossling not sure. Jim was a good mate of my Dads they done night trunk to Mossley together for a while, Jim always called him ‘Fatha’, he told me once he learnt a lot from him. He was quite upset when he heard of Jims death on the A59, I worked at Fergusons Sunderland depot at the time, a tragic loss. Jim did drive car transporters when he left Steenbergs and may well have driven a Big J then Larry. No doubting one of transports characters but one of the old school too from the good old days eh. Franky.
Thank you Franky for the info, Jimmy was a cracking lad to work alongside with, I used to pull his leg about putting weight on, He used to say that he was on a sea food diet, See food & eat it, Regards Larry.
. This was all to the amusement of the young lady who emerged from the back of the shop.
