Bewick:
I will now call this Kangaroo court to order!!! (loud banging can be heard from the cells below where the SOM witnesses are been held for contempt) As presiding Judge in this very “longwinded” trial by “abuse” I have no alternative other than to give----Case Dismissed-----through lack of conclusive evidence to prove the claim "beyond all reasonable doubt!!! The jury is dismissed and the the drinks are on the Prosecution (Dave the Renegade) in the boozer next door,don’t get trampled in the rush,wait for it Johnnie,wait for it!!!The Chief Clerk.
Ah your honour Mr Judge,you have overlooked one vital piece of evidence still to arrive.A photo of a Guy Big J with an 8LXB from the Smith of Maddiston archives.You your honour did not think any existed,but I have made contact with a Smith archive man who has pictures of two.
I rest my case
Cheers Dave.
----on the bar its your round!!! I hope you arn’t quoting this new “double jepardy” thingy,learned Counsel? If you are then half the contributors to this thread will be doing "porridge"soon for perjury!!! Judge(hang the barstewards) Jeffries.
I think my learned friend,the drinks will be on you.Why am I arguing this Big J thing,as I wasn’t involved in it,until a bloke I thoroughly believe told me they had one.Now I have the S O M man emailing me some pics,then we can see who is awarded costs of the case,my Lord.PS Dennis you need to learn how to count,39 less two =37.
Cheers Dave.
harry_gill:
hiya,
For me it’s got to be a bill of sale as delivered and a rear of shed shot as straight off the production line anything else as i’ve said before is a conversion and it would be a very difficult task to shoehorn a 240 into that chassis although not impossible would it have been worthwhile, remember Atkinson had to increase the engine compartment size to fit the 240 into it just look at the difference between the motors with the ■■■■■■■ or 180 Gardner and those motors with the 8lxb inboard, from my memories of the Big Js the engine compartment was pretty chocker with the Roller or the ■■■■■■■ let alone a monster lump like the 240 just wondering where would the driver sit they was’nt a shed with much room to spare to start with, sleep tight.
thanks harry long retired.
Well said my learned friend QC for the Defence!!! If I’d known about you “H” all them years ago I would have paid George Carman off and nipped into the Brown Bear to retain you(What was your fees in them days?) cheers Dennis.
Dave the Renegade:
Part of an email I recieved from the S O M man.
Hi Dave
Yes it is true. I know of at least 2 guy big js with 240 gardner engines in them both 1974 registrations
Hope this helps.
PS I have the photographic proof.
Oh ye of little faith Trev.I found a Smith of Maddiston man via a search engine,not an 8LXB I might add.
Anyhow,how come youv’e waited this long to come up with this revelation?? This should have been offered a long while ago as evidence for the prosecution!!! You can’t trust these SOM old timers,I think most of them are “do lalley” now!! They’ll be offering to drive one onto the Court car park next,mark my words!!! Dennis.
harry_gill:
hiya,
For me it’s got to be a bill of sale as delivered and a rear of shed shot as straight off the production line anything else as i’ve said before is a conversion and it would be a very difficult task to shoehorn a 240 into that chassis although not impossible would it have been worthwhile, remember Atkinson had to increase the engine compartment size to fit the 240 into it just look at the difference between the motors with the ■■■■■■■ or 180 Gardner and those motors with the 8lxb inboard, from my memories of the Big Js the engine compartment was pretty chocker with the Roller or the ■■■■■■■ let alone a monster lump like the 240 just wondering where would the driver sit they was’nt a shed with much room to spare to start with, sleep tight.
thanks harry long retired.
Well said my learned friend QC for the Defence!!! If I’d known about you “H” all them years ago I would have paid George Carman off and nipped into the Brown Bear to retain you(What was your fees in them days?) cheers Dennis.
George Carmen represented me in Birmingham Crown Court,in the civil action over my accident,my solicitor was from Bolton and when he took the case on,he said.I will get you the best QC in the North of England.George was a libel lawyer,not a personel injury lawyer,so we didn’t win,also it was four years after the RTA,but I can say that I had George representing me,before Ken Dodd and the other famous clients.
Cheers Dave.
PS He was only a little bloke.
harry_gill:
hiya,
For me it’s got to be a bill of sale as delivered and a rear of shed shot as straight off the production line anything else as i’ve said before is a conversion and it would be a very difficult task to shoehorn a 240 into that chassis although not impossible would it have been worthwhile, remember Atkinson had to increase the engine compartment size to fit the 240 into it just look at the difference between the motors with the ■■■■■■■ or 180 Gardner and those motors with the 8lxb inboard, from my memories of the Big Js the engine compartment was pretty chocker with the Roller or the ■■■■■■■ let alone a monster lump like the 240 just wondering where would the driver sit they was’nt a shed with much room to spare to start with, sleep tight.
thanks harry long retired.
Well said my learned friend QC for the Defence!!! If I’d known about you “H” all them years ago I would have paid George Carman off and nipped into the Brown Bear to retain you(What was your fees in them days?) cheers Dennis.
hiya,
Would have been a lot younger in those days Dennis and still single, my fee ■■ the Brown Bear hm hm, let me think i’ll settle for all i “could” drink note past tense and possibly all i could/wanted to feel past tense again, the second part of the quotation would most likely have cost you nowt.
thanks harry long retired.
harry_gill:
hiya,
For me it’s got to be a bill of sale as delivered and a rear of shed shot as straight off the production line anything else as i’ve said before is a conversion and it would be a very difficult task to shoehorn a 240 into that chassis although not impossible would it have been worthwhile, remember Atkinson had to increase the engine compartment size to fit the 240 into it just look at the difference between the motors with the ■■■■■■■ or 180 Gardner and those motors with the 8lxb inboard, from my memories of the Big Js the engine compartment was pretty chocker with the Roller or the ■■■■■■■ let alone a monster lump like the 240 just wondering where would the driver sit they was’nt a shed with much room to spare to start with, sleep tight.
thanks harry long retired.
Well said my learned friend QC for the Defence!!! If I’d known about you “H” all them years ago I would have paid George Carman off and nipped into the Brown Bear to retain you(What was your fees in them days?) cheers Dennis.
hiya,
Would have been a lot younger in those days Dennis and still single, my fee ■■ the Brown Bear hm hm, let me think i’ll settle for all i “could” drink note past tense and possibly all i could/wanted to feel past tense again, the second part of the quotation would most likely have cost you nowt.
thanks harry long retired.
harry_gill:
hiya,
For me it’s got to be a bill of sale as delivered and a rear of shed shot as straight off the production line anything else as i’ve said before is a conversion and it would be a very difficult task to shoehorn a 240 into that chassis although not impossible would it have been worthwhile, remember Atkinson had to increase the engine compartment size to fit the 240 into it just look at the difference between the motors with the ■■■■■■■ or 180 Gardner and those motors with the 8lxb inboard, from my memories of the Big Js the engine compartment was pretty chocker with the Roller or the ■■■■■■■ let alone a monster lump like the 240 just wondering where would the driver sit they was’nt a shed with much room to spare to start with, sleep tight.
thanks harry long retired.
Well said my learned friend QC for the Defence!!! If I’d known about you “H” all them years ago I would have paid George Carman off and nipped into the Brown Bear to retain you(What was your fees in them days?) cheers Dennis.
hiya,
Would have been a lot younger in those days Dennis and still single, my fee ■■ the Brown Bear hm hm, let me think i’ll settle for all i “could” drink note past tense and possibly all i could/wanted to feel past tense again, the second part of the quotation would most likely have cost you nowt.
thanks harry long retired.
Where are you my learned friend Mr Bewick
Hiya Dave,I’m taking a well earned rest(well a rest) from a hectic time of feeding and watering family,friends and nieghbours!!! the two of us are off out later for a quiet carvery!! Look you can’t re-open an old case Dave,I’m already working on a new “brain buster” which may have “legs” or it may not!!! Cheers Dennis.
harry_gill:
hiya,
For me it’s got to be a bill of sale as delivered and a rear of shed shot as straight off the production line anything else as i’ve said before is a conversion and it would be a very difficult task to shoehorn a 240 into that chassis although not impossible would it have been worthwhile, remember Atkinson had to increase the engine compartment size to fit the 240 into it just look at the difference between the motors with the ■■■■■■■ or 180 Gardner and those motors with the 8lxb inboard, from my memories of the Big Js the engine compartment was pretty chocker with the Roller or the ■■■■■■■ let alone a monster lump like the 240 just wondering where would the driver sit they was’nt a shed with much room to spare to start with, sleep tight.
thanks harry long retired.
Well said my learned friend QC for the Defence!!! If I’d known about you “H” all them years ago I would have paid George Carman off and nipped into the Brown Bear to retain you(What was your fees in them days?) cheers Dennis.
hiya,
Would have been a lot younger in those days Dennis and still single, my fee ■■ the Brown Bear hm hm, let me think i’ll settle for all i “could” drink note past tense and possibly all i could/wanted to feel past tense again, the second part of the quotation would most likely have cost you nowt.
thanks harry long retired.
Where are you my learned friend Mr Bewick
Hiya Dave,I’m taking a well earned rest(well a rest) from a hectic time of feeding and watering family,friends and nieghbours!!! the two of us are off out later for a quiet carvery!! Look you can’t re-open an old case Dave,I’m already working on a new “brain buster” which may have “legs” or it may not!!! Cheers Dennis.
Ok Dennis,will consider the case closed,until I get the pics from the S O M chap.Enjoy your carvery with Ann.
Cheers Dave.
Bewick:
I will now call this Kangaroo court to order!!! (loud banging can be heard from the cells below where the SOM witnesses are been held for contempt) As presiding Judge in this very “longwinded” trial by “abuse” I have no alternative other than to give----Case Dismissed-----through lack of conclusive evidence to prove the claim "beyond all reasonable doubt!!! The jury is dismissed and the the drinks are on the Prosecution (Dave the Renegade) in the boozer next door,don’t get trampled in the rush,wait for it Johnnie,wait for it!!!The Chief Clerk.
Ah your honour Mr Judge,you have overlooked one vital piece of evidence still to arrive.A photo of a Guy Big J with an 8LXB from the Smith of Maddiston archives.You your honour did not think any existed,but I have made contact with a Smith archive man who has pictures of two.
I rest my case
Cheers Dave.
----on the bar its your round!!! I hope you arn’t quoting this new “double jepardy” thingy,learned Counsel? If you are then half the contributors to this thread will be doing "porridge"soon for perjury!!! Judge(hang the barstewards) Jeffries.
I think my learned friend,the drinks will be on you.Why am I arguing this Big J thing,as I wasn’t involved in it,until a bloke I thoroughly believe told me they had one.Now I have the S O M man emailing me some pics,then we can see who is awarded costs of the case,my Lord.PS Dennis you need to learn how to count,39 less two =37.
Cheers Dave.
It’s funny you know, but where my son lives in South Wales the internet and email works in seconds, not months…
Bewick:
I will now call this Kangaroo court to order!!! (loud banging can be heard from the cells below where the SOM witnesses are been held for contempt) As presiding Judge in this very “longwinded” trial by “abuse” I have no alternative other than to give----Case Dismissed-----through lack of conclusive evidence to prove the claim "beyond all reasonable doubt!!! The jury is dismissed and the the drinks are on the Prosecution (Dave the Renegade) in the boozer next door,don’t get trampled in the rush,wait for it Johnnie,wait for it!!!The Chief Clerk.
Ah your honour Mr Judge,you have overlooked one vital piece of evidence still to arrive.A photo of a Guy Big J with an 8LXB from the Smith of Maddiston archives.You your honour did not think any existed,but I have made contact with a Smith archive man who has pictures of two.
I rest my case
Cheers Dave.
----on the bar its your round!!! I hope you arn’t quoting this new “double jepardy” thingy,learned Counsel? If you are then half the contributors to this thread will be doing "porridge"soon for perjury!!! Judge(hang the barstewards) Jeffries.
I think my learned friend,the drinks will be on you.Why am I arguing this Big J thing,as I wasn’t involved in it,until a bloke I thoroughly believe told me they had one.Now I have the S O M man emailing me some pics,then we can see who is awarded costs of the case,my Lord.PS Dennis you need to learn how to count,39 less two =37.
Cheers Dave.
It’s funny you know, but where my son lives in South Wales the internet and email works in seconds, not months…
It does,but if the man is in America for Christmas and answers an email via a blackberry, and his PC and pics are in this country it does take a while longer.
Bewick:
I will now call this Kangaroo court to order!!! (loud banging can be heard from the cells below where the SOM witnesses are been held for contempt) As presiding Judge in this very “longwinded” trial by “abuse” I have no alternative other than to give----Case Dismissed-----through lack of conclusive evidence to prove the claim "beyond all reasonable doubt!!! The jury is dismissed and the the drinks are on the Prosecution (Dave the Renegade) in the boozer next door,don’t get trampled in the rush,wait for it Johnnie,wait for it!!!The Chief Clerk.
I am sorry Dennis but I was learning from the grand master it was look and learn and he showed me the sophisticated way to go about things we were off before we heard the “wait” and Harry said to get a bottle each and two glasses which we did but they were bottles of single MALT (as neither of us are into wine )and we found a corner in the tap room and really enjoyed emptying the bottles so who ever pays the tab it may a little more than they were expecting "hic, hic " but we do appreciate the goodwill gesture to pensioners.
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Hi Dave I did not want it to be to much of a shock to whoever is going to pay the tab as we chose the best malt which they stocked and even that gives you a sore head when you finish a bottle and as “H” told me no one said which drink to have so we will be rooting for whoever is paying the tab
cheers Johnnie
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Stick with the Tetleys and the rest Dennis,you get more for your money .
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Stick with the Tetleys and the rest Dennis,you get more for your money .
Cheers Dave.
hiya,
Yes i drink a drop of John Smiths as well ( wonder has Dennis got shares in it ) but only as a chaser for the good stuff, doing a nice Glenmorangie at the moment but have run out of Smithy’s, so at the minute i’m chasing it down with a drop of Magners and tell you what it’s a nice drink, i could get used to it.
thanks harry long retired.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Stick with the Tetleys and the rest Dennis,you get more for your money .
Cheers Dave.
hiya,
Yes i drink a drop of John Smiths as well ( wonder has Dennis got shares in it ) but only as a chaser for the good stuff, doing a nice Glenmorangie at the moment but have run out of Smithy’s, so at the minute i’m chasing it down with a drop of Magners and tell you what it’s a nice drink, i could get used to it.
thanks harry long retired.
If you start fighting “H” ----YOUR BARRED!!! The Landlord.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Stick with the Tetleys and the rest Dennis,you get more for your money .
Cheers Dave.
hiya,
Yes i drink a drop of John Smiths as well ( wonder has Dennis got shares in it ) but only as a chaser for the good stuff, doing a nice Glenmorangie at the moment but have run out of Smithy’s, so at the minute i’m chasing it down with a drop of Magners and tell you what it’s a nice drink, i could get used to it.
thanks harry long retired.
If you start fighting “H” ----YOUR BARRED!!! The Landlord.
Would not start fighting but may retaliate first so you can’t get barred for that and have been barred from better places ANON.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Stick with the Tetleys and the rest Dennis,you get more for your money .
Cheers Dave.
hiya,
Yes i drink a drop of John Smiths as well ( wonder has Dennis got shares in it ) but only as a chaser for the good stuff, doing a nice Glenmorangie at the moment but have run out of Smithy’s, so at the minute i’m chasing it down with a drop of Magners and tell you what it’s a nice drink, i could get used to it.
thanks harry long retired.
If you start fighting “H” ----YOUR BARRED!!! The Landlord.
Would not start fighting but may retaliate first so you can’t get barred for that and have been barred from better places ANON.
Dave the Renegade:
Hi Johnnie,
The case hasn’t been dismissed at all.Dennis is only out for a meal with a tag on his ankle.He will be hauled back into the dock,once the pics of the S O M arrive.
Cheers Dave.
Well I hope “H” and Johnnie enjoyed it more than I did the French Merlot we had at the carvery!!! I don’t usually drink French wine and as I’ve been on New Zealand wine(red and white) all over Christmas the French stuff tasted even more “Esther” than I remember!!!and here’s me encouraging “Fergie” to send me some of the “gear” he supps!!!(at 75c a Tetra Pak) I’ve also had a few decent “drams” and a not a few Tetley’s and John Smiths!!! I haven’t gone totally up-market!!! As Anne says to me regular “Your still a lorry driver at heart” and she’s dead right!! Cheers lads, Dennis.
Stick with the Tetleys and the rest Dennis,you get more for your money .
Cheers Dave.
hiya,
Yes i drink a drop of John Smiths as well ( wonder has Dennis got shares in it ) but only as a chaser for the good stuff, doing a nice Glenmorangie at the moment but have run out of Smithy’s, so at the minute i’m chasing it down with a drop of Magners and tell you what it’s a nice drink, i could get used to it.
thanks harry long retired.
If you start fighting “H” ----YOUR BARRED!!! The Landlord.
Would not start fighting but may retaliate first so you can’t get barred for that and have been barred from better places ANON.
and as “H” told me no one said which drink to have 
so we will be rooting for whoever is paying the tab