now now chaps be amicable there only old engines and lorries theres worse things than that arsenal getting knocked out of the cup by stoke for instance although fair play to them , from a sad old gooner
acd1202:
Carryfast, I am pleased to see that you at last seem to agree with me that DD two strokes are supercharged, and I have to agree with you that the V12 in your youtube links is going very well, but just think how much better it would go if it only had one diff to turn.I know one thing for certain, Guy definitely didn’t put a 12V71 in the Big J.
It’s a bit unfair to just pick on that firm for turning out typical British junk to suit typical British transport managers.I don’t think that many of them were turning out anything like that KW in the 1960’s.But maybe guvnors like bewick actually did buy one or two of them which they kept quiet about for those drivers who’s faces fitted 
I don’t know where you read anything in which I agreed that a Detroit two stroke is ‘supercharged’ because if they had have been then they would have been even more powerful than they were already and there would have been no need to offer a turbocharger option.It all depends on your definition of supercharging but a blower supplying air to an engine at around atmospheric pressure does’nt actually fill a cylinder with a lot more air than the capacity of that cylinder so where does the ‘super’ bit apply in that case?.But the yanks seemed happy enough with the 6x4 drivetrain on that and most others of theirs which helps to keep the thing in a straight line and keeps it moving better in bad weather but then the Brits have never been all that quick when it came to learning good ideas.That’s why British drivers were putting up with Gardner powered heaps while the yanks were running around with motors like that KW.
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Forgive my igronance ive heard of two stroke trucks but way before my time. Do you have to mix oil in the fuel like a two stroke mortorbike.il take that as a no. But theres no need to try and ridicule me im not a mechanic and as ive only been driving for 10 years ive never come across a two stroke truck. Although when i first passed my test i briefly drove a e reg foden tipper with a 300 gardner must have have been one of the last of them. It was ok but i found the revs died a lot slower than the cat and ■■■■■■■ powered ones i have driven which didnt realy suit the fuller gearbox
Exactly that’s one of the old fashioned characteristics of the typical British heap and it can reach the stage where you’re caught between gears with an engine on the guvnor in one gear but it’ll come to a grinding halt on a hill before the revs fall enough for the next gear and it was one of the advantages of the Detroit that it can lose revs as fast as a fuller can shift and makes the ■■■■■■■ look like a Gardner in most respects.
im not here trying to say the british trucks were best. The only brits i have driven were a foden 4000 leyland constructor and an erf ec10 they done the job but were 10 years behind the scania volvo mercs etc i have driven. I do take an intrest in trucks and there technology i read the truck magazines and use the net for resarch. I know erf fitted some detroit engines in the 90s but have never been round one and im unlikley to move to the usa or get a job driving a bedford tm so have never had the need to look in to two stroke trucks. You moan you never got the breaks doing the best jobs driving the best trucks when you started. I passed my test at 21 the only job i could get was driving a tipper for a cowboy after six months i got offered a tipper job by a good company who we subbed work from but starting at the bottom with an older truck and not getting the best work. I kept my head down and got a better truck then was given a chance on an artic doing bulk rubbish for that firm and had a new scania artic at 24. After 4 years i finished when my boss retired and started on another firm doing the same work and was given a new man which im still driving. So i resent someone trying to belittle me because i ask a question.
It sounds like you had a tough time of it there kr79.You had to wait until you were 24 to get a job driving a new Sania artic on bulk rubbish.I was doing bulk rubbish on the council from 21 to 25 and plant haulage and numerous other types of work but they did’nt give me a new Scania.I had to make do with a 1970’s four wheeler 1970’s Clydesdale amongst other junk like a 1940’s AEC Matador and it just was’nt worth getting a class 1 licence before 25 then because guvnors like bewick would have wanted that to drive a Transit But luckily for me I did find one guvnor who gave me that 1970’s DAF 2800 to start on with a new class 1 at 25.Probably because none of the older senior drivers wanted the longer hours on the run it was used for But if you had have started in the early 1980’s you would have found that the British trucks then were around 30 years behind the Foreign wagons.But luckily for me I was driving that 2800 while those senior experienced drivers with bewick were still using those Gardner powered British heaps if their faces fitted that is or they were given a Transit .I’m just hoping that he was’nt wasting the firm’s money by paying them class 1 wages in that case
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.
I did’nt say can’t.But if you’d said can’t/could’nt be bothered you’d be right.That Detroit in the ERF was probably an early 60 series four stroke and was probably blown up by an older driver trying to use a 13 speed fuller like a six speed brown behind a Gardner when he tried to drop down six gears at once and by some misfortune he actually got the gear that time
Ihave definitly lost the will to live with this thread who cares anymore good luck to guys who drive these modern machines let them have all the comfort you spend enough time in a wagon how any cab happy drivers did you meet in the industry I only drove for money whatever the truck may be old ancient or new driving a new motor with lower pay don`t feed the kids or pay the mortgage how many dodgy tachos did I get through in recccesion times to get money sod all the old stuff most bosses I worked for were tight fisted little s—s anyway how many jobs did I start with the tm saying “you get a guaranteed 20 hrs overtime a week” and boy did you do them and more, thankfully I do not drive for a living now this is what happens when you get knocked out of the cup chill out stop talking b------s, cheers lads
Carryfast:
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Forgive my igronance ive heard of two stroke trucks but way before my time. Do you have to mix oil in the fuel like a two stroke mortorbike.il take that as a no. But theres no need to try and ridicule me im not a mechanic and as ive only been driving for 10 years ive never come across a two stroke truck. Although when i first passed my test i briefly drove a e reg foden tipper with a 300 gardner must have have been one of the last of them. It was ok but i found the revs died a lot slower than the cat and ■■■■■■■ powered ones i have driven which didnt realy suit the fuller gearbox
Exactly that’s one of the old fashioned characteristics of the typical British heap and it can reach the stage where you’re caught between gears with an engine on the guvnor in one gear but it’ll come to a grinding halt on a hill before the revs fall enough for the next gear and it was one of the advantages of the Detroit that it can lose revs as fast as a fuller can shift and makes the ■■■■■■■ look like a Gardner in most respects.
im not here trying to say the british trucks were best. The only brits i have driven were a foden 4000 leyland constructor and an erf ec10 they done the job but were 10 years behind the scania volvo mercs etc i have driven. I do take an intrest in trucks and there technology i read the truck magazines and use the net for resarch. I know erf fitted some detroit engines in the 90s but have never been round one and im unlikley to move to the usa or get a job driving a bedford tm so have never had the need to look in to two stroke trucks. You moan you never got the breaks doing the best jobs driving the best trucks when you started. I passed my test at 21 the only job i could get was driving a tipper for a cowboy after six months i got offered a tipper job by a good company who we subbed work from but starting at the bottom with an older truck and not getting the best work. I kept my head down and got a better truck then was given a chance on an artic doing bulk rubbish for that firm and had a new scania artic at 24. After 4 years i finished when my boss retired and started on another firm doing the same work and was given a new man which im still driving. So i resent someone trying to belittle me because i ask a question.
It sounds like you had a tough time of it there kr79.You had to wait until you were 24 to get a job driving a new Sania artic on bulk rubbish.I was doing bulk rubbish on the council from 21 to 25 and plant haulage and numerous other types of work but they did’nt give me a new Scania.I had to make do with a 1970’s four wheeler 1970’s Clydesdale amongst other junk like a 1940’s AEC Matador and it just was’nt worth getting a class 1 licence before 25 then because guvnors like bewick would have wanted that to drive a Transit
Well Carryfast it seems to me that a lot of the lads on the site have tried to talk sense into you all to no avail !! Me I even said I might have given you a start !! But on reflection after reading this last load of drivel I have to say I don’t think I could trust you to “drive sheep with a good dog” .While were on this claim of yours about these Yankee Big Rigs cruising at 100mph !! what a load of B****s the cross ply tyres they insisted on running well after the radial was developed would not have stood that speed!! You have obviously been in your pit dreaming again !! As Ricky Tomlinson would say "100mph my Ae " . Don’t forget Carryfast change hands at 99 or you’ll go blind my son ! Cheers Bewick.
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.
Hiya I can tell you about the ERF V8 DD.It was a steel sleeper cab(motor panels)I worked on it. The cabs come from motor panels and we at Jennings put them together and fitted all the interior.The cab was a walk through as the bonnet top was about 4 inches higher than the floor.I don’t know what happened to it.
I thought it was bound for Australia as a road train.I can remember the engine was about 300hp That was a big lump in 1968.
John
3300John:
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.Hiya I can tell you about the ERF V8 DD.It was a steel sleeper cab(motor panels)I worked on it. The cabs come from motor panels and we at Jennings put them together and fitted all the interior.The cab was a walk through as the bonnet top was about 4 inches higher than the floor.I don’t know what happened to it.
I thought it was bound for Australia as a road train.I can remember the engine was about 300hp That was a big lump in 1968.
John
they offered a detroit for a while on the ec series in the late 90s sure it was baged ec127 so must be around 12 litres 12.7 maybe but the perkins was already the ec 12 but dont know if there were many sold.
3300John:
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.Hiya I can tell you about the ERF V8 DD.It was a steel sleeper cab(motor panels)I worked on it. The cabs come from motor panels and we at Jennings put them together and fitted all the interior.The cab was a walk through as the bonnet top was about 4 inches higher than the floor.I don’t know what happened to it.
I thought it was bound for Australia as a road train.I can remember the engine was about 300hp That was a big lump in 1968.
John
Sorry that was half harted the ERF was a 8 legger 3/4 wheelbase. steel cab (mw)with a GM two stroke.wwwoooooorrrrrmmmmmmmwwwwmmmmm.
John
3300John:
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.Hiya I can tell you about the ERF V8 DD.It was a steel sleeper cab(motor panels)I worked on it. The cabs come from motor panels and we at Jennings put them together and fitted all the interior.The cab was a walk through as the bonnet top was about 4 inches higher than the floor.I don’t know what happened to it.
I thought it was bound for Australia as a road train.I can remember the engine was about 300hp That was a big lump in 1968.
John
That sounds like an 8V71 John.9 Litres around 300 horse to pull around 75 + tonnes maybe.The Aussies probably went to the yanks for their roadtrain tractor units after they tried that attempt considering that there were bigger versions available then with up to double that rated power like that KW with a 12V71.
Carryfast:
3300John:
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.Hiya I can tell you about the ERF V8 DD.It was a steel sleeper cab(motor panels)I worked on it. The cabs come from motor panels and we at Jennings put them together and fitted all the interior.The cab was a walk through as the bonnet top was about 4 inches higher than the floor.I don’t know what happened to it.
I thought it was bound for Australia as a road train.I can remember the engine was about 300hp That was a big lump in 1968.
JohnThat sounds like an 8V71 John.9 Litres around 300 horse to pull around 75 + tonnes maybe.The Aussies probably went to the yanks for their roadtrain tractor units after they tried that attempt considering that there were bigger versions available then with up to double that rated power like that KW with a 12V71.
hiya carryfast the british market was quite strong in Aus in the 60/70.carryfast the road trains down in Aus was restricted to quite a low speed only about 40 mph. I have been to Canada many times and when they run the three trailer rigs i think they only run at 55KPH which is also very slow. they don’t run them anymore as they would weve from side to side badley.sorry no 100 mph with them dd or not.Polite question carryfast what year did GM release the 12V71 please. my mate has a V12 twin turbo supercharged 2 stroke DD is that the same engine its in a yankie 8 legger.
John
3300John:
Carryfast:
3300John:
Suttons Tony:
Yes ERF did offer a DD at one time, but I believe only one was ever sold which was supposed to be a good but not exceptional performer, and later had to be re-engined after blowing up, and Carryfast, can’t change gear behind a Gardner, dear oh dear! you young un’s should’nt play with proper tackle…Tony.Hiya I can tell you about the ERF V8 DD.It was a steel sleeper cab(motor panels)I worked on it. The cabs come from motor panels and we at Jennings put them together and fitted all the interior.The cab was a walk through as the bonnet top was about 4 inches higher than the floor.I don’t know what happened to it.
I thought it was bound for Australia as a road train.I can remember the engine was about 300hp That was a big lump in 1968.
JohnThat sounds like an 8V71 John.9 Litres around 300 horse to pull around 75 + tonnes maybe.The Aussies probably went to the yanks for their roadtrain tractor units after they tried that attempt considering that there were bigger versions available then with up to double that rated power like that KW with a 12V71.
hiya carryfast the british market was quite strong in Aus in the 60/70.carryfast the road trains down in Aus was restricted to quite a low speed only about 40 mph. I have been to Canada many times and when they run the three trailer rigs i think they only run at 55KPH which is also very slow. they don’t run them anymore as they would weve from side to side badley.sorry no 100 mph with them dd or not.Polite question carryfast what year did GM release the 12V71 please. my mate has a V12 twin turbo supercharged 2 stroke DD is that the same engine its in a yankie 8 legger.
John
The V 71 series go back to the end of the 1950’s John and they were obviously using the 12V71 during the 1960’s.I know that they were also producing the 16 cylinder version around the end of the 1960’s as it went into the fire trucks which I was involved with from the early 1970’s to 1980.The two stroke blower still seems to be causing some confusion as it’s usually forgotten about and it’s not really a supercharger/compressor in that application as such.It’s wether it’s turbocharged or not that matters.If it’s a twin turbo 12V71 it’s probably a rare beast.Maybe it’s in an offroad type wagon? but it’s not enough axles for a Michigan special?.It could also be a 92 series and they were produced from the mid 1970’s I think.It’s usually easy to work out the power outputs as they just put out the same type of specific outputs depending on the series.A turbocharged 12 cylinder 71 series might put out around the same or more power than a 16 cylinder non turbocharged one.I’d bet around 600+ horse maybe?.If it’s a twin turbo 12V92 maybe nearer to 750 + ?.Can you get some photos of the truck?.But a turbocharged 12V71 would go great in something like a KW Aerodyne or a conventional.As for the 100 mph running speeds during the 1960’s and 1970’s in the States with standard artics we’ll need to maybe find some retired American drivers from those times.But I can remember plenty of documented reports of that at the time.But it’s obvious that they never ran roadtrains at those speeds but they also never seem to have had many problems running roadtrains in OZ at reasonable speeds.
Hiya thanks for the info.I’ll try and get a photo for the site.On the Fire engine side ERF did some Simon snorkel specials for Japan they had a straight eight
rolls royce petrol engine. The test driver got into a little trouble with Cheshire police for doing 85 mph down the M6 in 1967, There was a little more left
but not on this day.
John
3300John:
Hiya thanks for the info.I’ll try and get a photo for the site.On the Fire engine side ERF did some Simon snorkel specials for Japan they had a straight eight
rolls royce petrol engine. The test driver got into a little trouble with Cheshire police for doing 85 mph down the M6 in 1967, There was a little more left
but not on this day.
John
That will be an interesting wagon to see when you get the pic John.I know that old Rolls straight eight petrol motor it was the B81? and it could also have a supercharger option on it so maybe that’s what was on that one?.They often put those in the Thorneycroft six wheelers which were the earlier generation of fire trucks which had recently been made obsolete by the later bigger types which I started with.That’s why they went for the big two stroke diesels to get the similar 70mph+ speeds at the much higher weights (38 tonnes).
3300John:
Hiya thanks for the info.I’ll try and get a photo for the site.On the Fire engine side ERF did some Simon snorkel specials for Japan they had a straight eight
rolls royce petrol engine. The test driver got into a little trouble with Cheshire police for doing 85 mph down the M6 in 1967, There was a little more left
but not on this day.
John
That will be an interesting wagon to see when you get the pic John.I know that old Rolls straight eight petrol motor it was the B81? and it could also have a supercharger option on it so maybe that’s what was on that one?.They often put those in the Thorneycroft six wheelers which were the earlier generation of fire trucks which had recently been made obsolete by the later bigger types which I started with.That’s why they went for the big two stroke diesels to get the similar 70mph+ speeds at the much higher weights (38 tonnes).
3300John:
Hiya thanks for the info.I’ll try and get a photo for the site.On the Fire engine side ERF did some Simon snorkel specials for Japan they had a straight eight
rolls royce petrol engine. The test driver got into a little trouble with Cheshire police for doing 85 mph down the M6 in 1967, There was a little more left
but not on this day.
John
Hiya John You do know that this site was supposed to be all about Guy Big Js /8LXBs and you have encouraged Carryfast to adulterate it with talk of Detroit Deisels and Rolls Royces !! You should hang your head in shame !!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick:
3300John:
Hiya thanks for the info.I’ll try and get a photo for the site.On the Fire engine side ERF did some Simon snorkel specials for Japan they had a straight eight
rolls royce petrol engine. The test driver got into a little trouble with Cheshire police for doing 85 mph down the M6 in 1967, There was a little more left
but not on this day.
JohnHiya John You do know that this site was supposed to be all about Guy Big Js /8LXBs and you have encouraged Carryfast to adulterate it with talk of Detroit Deisels and Rolls Royces !! You should hang your head in shame !!! Cheers Bewick
Now then Dennis,don’t go stirring Carryfast up again,at least he’s talking about fire engines now. Also Carryfast if you read this post,what is your name 
,most of us have given you stick and don’t know your name. I like to know who I’m kicking. 
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
3300John:
Hiya thanks for the info.I’ll try and get a photo for the site.On the Fire engine side ERF did some Simon snorkel specials for Japan they had a straight eight
rolls royce petrol engine. The test driver got into a little trouble with Cheshire police for doing 85 mph down the M6 in 1967, There was a little more left
but not on this day.
JohnHiya John You do know that this site was supposed to be all about Guy Big Js /8LXBs and you have encouraged Carryfast to adulterate it with talk of Detroit Deisels and Rolls Royces !! You should hang your head in shame !!! Cheers Bewick
Now then Dennis,don’t go stirring Carryfast up again,at least he’s talking about fire engines now. Also Carryfast if you read this post,what is your name
Cheers Dave.
Ithink his surname is Gardner
ubym344:
Ithink his surname is Gardner
Hope not - don’t want to find I’m related 
Perhaps Bedford or Ford! I’ve never come across a Mr Detroit…
240 Gardner:
I’ve never come across a Mr Detroit…
Then perhaps its Dr Diesel