Bewick:
windrush:
Bewick:
Thanks Dean for digging out what must be the only rear end shot of a 32/4 8LXB, however the only decent thing on the backend of that Chassis is the 4 Michelin tyres !!As for memory Dean well I can recall things from 40 odd years ago like it was “yesterday” but I can have problems remembering what happened yesterday !!!
Cheers Dennis.
[/quote]Ah well, I can help you there Dennis.
Pete.
Two of the relevant words in my post Pete were “IF” and “MANAGED” But all I ever asked for was a side view Photo and after 11 years not one has materialised nor has any former Guy employee posted anything on the thread confirming that any were built,
quite the opposite in fact from some of the negative comments posted over the years by some that were from Wolverhampton and close to Guy Motors ! Very strange to say the least. And as for your last comment well I am going to invoke “The 5th” on the grounds that if I succumb to that “promise” there would be a queue two hundred yards long at the Beer tent when the next Llandudno show is held, if ever of course.
Bewick:
windrush:
Bewick:
Thanks Dean for digging out what must be the only rear end shot of a 32/4 8LXB, however the only decent thing on the backend of that Chassis is the 4 Michelin tyres !!
[/quote]Ah well, I can help you there Dennis.
Pete.
Two of the relevant words in my post Pete were “IF” and “MANAGED” But all I ever asked for was a side view Photo and after 11 years not one has materialised nor has any former Guy employee posted anything on the thread confirming that any were built,
Hiya,
Doesn’t a derated 8 pot Percy only classify as a 6 pot Percy I had one
in an ERF and it wasn’t as good as my old Atki with a 6 potter built in
just asking like I’m trying to look intelligent, Oh’ the Atki was a Percy.
DEANB:
Bewick:
I believe the name of this thread should be changed to " The 8 LXB " thread ! So if Guy Motors did manage to get their hands on a few 8 LXB’s I wonder how many de rated 200 bhp 8LXB’s did Seddon Motors acquire , can’t have been many as at the time the idea didn’t catch on nor was it logical but I understood at the time the idea was to match the engine with the DB 6:600 and I only came across one which my Pal Malc Woodhouse senior had bought second hand on an “L” reg but he didn’t run it very long as he didn’t reckon it at all ! IIRC I think I recall that Barry Waddy’s Dad bought it from Bill Ratcliffe who had got it off Malcolm. Cheers Dennis.You have a good memory Dennis.
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The 8LXB 200 has lower torque than the standard engine, but the rated speed is the same. I thought they would just have simply governed it to a lower speed, to retain the strong peak torque of the 240 version. It seems that they have just cut the fuel delivery across the board.
[zb]
anorak:DEANB:
Bewick:
I believe the name of this thread should be changed to " The 8 LXB " thread ! So if Guy Motors did manage to get their hands on a few 8 LXB’s I wonder how many de rated 200 bhp 8LXB’s did Seddon Motors acquire , can’t have been many as at the time the idea didn’t catch on nor was it logical but I understood at the time the idea was to match the engine with the DB 6:600 and I only came across one which my Pal Malc Woodhouse senior had bought second hand on an “L” reg but he didn’t run it very long as he didn’t reckon it at all ! IIRC I think I recall that Barry Waddy’s Dad bought it from Bill Ratcliffe who had got it off Malcolm. Cheers Dennis.You have a good memory Dennis.
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The 8LXB 200 has lower torque than the standard engine, but the rated speed is the same. I thought they would just have simply governed it to a lower speed, to retain the strong peak torque of the 240 version. It seems that they have just cut the fuel delivery across the board.
I wonder who persuaded Gardners to produce the derated 200BHP engine ? A much better idea would have been to leave it on the drawing board ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Thanks Dean for digging out what must be the only rear end shot of a 32/4 8LXB, however the only decent thing on the backend of that Chassis is the 4 Michelin tyres !!
So they didn’t just derate the peak power figure by governing the thing to 1,500 rpm.
They also derated the torque output right across the range.
575 lbft from a 14 litre motor who was going to want that.
My bet is that’s what they put in the BigJ if anything and that’s why they didn’t sell.That v ■■■■■■■ 220 would have been a no brainer choice.
[zb]
anorak:
The 8LXB 200 has lower torque than the standard engine, but the rated speed is the same. I thought they would just have simply governed it to a lower speed, to retain the strong peak torque of the 240 version. It seems that they have just cut the fuel delivery across the board.
Someone said it had to be derated to put it with the DB box.In which case it was obviously the torque figure which had to be reduced.
It looks like 240 + Fuller wasn’t going to fit whether Seddon or BigJ.That explains the sales figures v 220 ■■■■■■■■ 
Bewick:
[zb]
anorak:DEANB:
Bewick:
I believe the name of this thread should be changed to " The 8 LXB " thread ! So if Guy Motors did manage to get their hands on a few 8 LXB’s I wonder how many de rated 200 bhp 8LXB’s did Seddon Motors acquire , can’t have been many as at the time the idea didn’t catch on nor was it logical but I understood at the time the idea was to match the engine with the DB 6:600 and I only came across one which my Pal Malc Woodhouse senior had bought second hand on an “L” reg but he didn’t run it very long as he didn’t reckon it at all ! IIRC I think I recall that Barry Waddy’s Dad bought it from Bill Ratcliffe who had got it off Malcolm. Cheers Dennis.You have a good memory Dennis.
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The 8LXB 200 has lower torque than the standard engine, but the rated speed is the same. I thought they would just have simply governed it to a lower speed, to retain the strong peak torque of the 240 version. It seems that they have just cut the fuel delivery across the board.
I wonder who persuaded Gardners to produce the derated 200BHP engine ? A much better idea would have been to leave it on the drawing board ! Cheers Bewick.
It might not have been a matter of choice but the available space for a straight 8 v transmission type Bewick.It wasn’t a ‘200 hp’ engine it was a 575 lbft engine and the power output dropped pro rata with the torque reduction.
I wonder who persuaded Gardners to produce the derated 200BHP engine ? A much better idea would have been to leave it on the drawing board ! Cheers Bewick.
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If they had just set the governor to 1500/1600rpm, and put a slightly higher ratio diff in the vehicles, that would have made a bit of sense, for fuel consumption and durability. I reckon. 
[zb]
anorak:
I wonder who persuaded Gardners to produce the derated 200BHP engine ? A much better idea would have been to leave it on the drawing board ! Cheers Bewick.
If they had just set the governor to 1500/1600rpm, and put a slightly higher ratio diff in the vehicles, that would have made a bit of sense, for fuel consumption and durability. I reckon.
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Not if the only transmission that will fit behind the motor between the rad and the final drive flange can’t handle 700 lbft +.Ironically they probably would have been better off boring out the 6 LXB to 136 mm.
windrush:
Bewick:
Thanks Dean for digging out what must be the only rear end shot of a 32/4 8LXB, however the only decent thing on the backend of that Chassis is the 4 Michelin tyres !!
[/quote]Ah well, I can help you there Dennis.
Pete.
Nice one Pete!
David
Chris Webb:
Dennis Javelin:
Bewick:
5thwheel:
Frankydobo:
An M Reg SoM GUY from the Smiths photo’s I looked through none of which shone any light on the subject and although no engine badge is shown on the grille its possibly a contender with the year of manufacture. It doesn’t really help when front views of vehicles don’t have the power unit badge or name on the grille. Franky.
0That photo Frankydobo shows the Manchester based units for sale at the Manchester depot after Smiths packed it in whilst under the wing of United Transport.
You will notice an A4 piece of paper on the dash and visible through the windscreen which details the units details mileage,engine,transmission etc,a lot of Guy’s had lost their respective engine badge.Fleet No OD 922,IIRC was a day motor powered by a ■■■■■■■ 220 with a RangeChange Fuller box,a very common spec for a lot of Smiths motors.
David
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I was pondering that shot David as I could see there was no RFL & Operator discs in the windscreens ! So what year was this when SOM closed down and was it sort of sudden like. What reason did United give for the reason for the SOM closure ? Just interested although there would have been something in the Commercial Motor etc.at the time. Thanks Dennis.From memory I think it was around 1980.
Tommy
Smiths were still operating in summer 1980 as they were still doing Stainmore changeovers with j Stirland from Nottingham.I saw them regularly when on trunk.
Slightly off the subject found this from my photo collection
Gaz,
That SoM trailer was dedicated to the Boots contract,Thursday overnight to Manchester,unload and refill with empties on Friday and returned overnight on Friday’s.
I believe that Stirlands collected that trailer sometimes from Manchester depot during the day.
A second ex Reeds cans trailer(all Reeds transport assets were passed to Smiths on commencement of all Reeds transport requirements)was added to that contract and another contract with Kodak from Wythenshawe Manchester
SoM finished their road transport operations mid 80’s,a couple of years after I left for pastures new!
Thanks for posting,
David
5thwheel:
Gaz,That SoM trailer was dedicated to the Boots contract,Thursday overnight to Manchester,unload and refill with empties on Friday and returned overnight on Friday’s.
I believe that Stirlands collected that trailer sometimes from Manchester depot during the day.
A second ex Reeds cans trailer(all Reeds transport assets were passed to Smiths on commencement of all Reeds transport requirements)was added to that contract and another contract with Kodak from Wythenshawe ManchesterSoM finished their road transport operations mid 80’s,a couple of years after I left for pastures new!
Thanks for posting,
David
Did the Boots depot at Airdrie have a height limit? I seem to remember you went under a concrete structure to access the rear of the premises
pete smith:
5thwheel:
Gaz,That SoM trailer was dedicated to the Boots contract,Thursday overnight to Manchester,unload and refill with empties on Friday and returned overnight on Friday’s.
I believe that Stirlands collected that trailer sometimes from Manchester depot during the day.
A second ex Reeds cans trailer(all Reeds transport assets were passed to Smiths on commencement of all Reeds transport requirements)was added to that contract and another contract with Kodak from Wythenshawe ManchesterSoM finished their road transport operations mid 80’s,a couple of years after I left for pastures new!
Thanks for posting,
David
Did the Boots depot at Airdrie have a height limit? I seem to remember you went under a concrete structure to access the rear of the premises
Hey up Pete
If I remember the “tunnel” was about 14 6”
Often we’d drop a trailer in there for reloading for Nottingham then park up solo up the road at Riggend lorry park
Boots at Airdrie is long now they moved production to a purpose built factory in Bulgaria a few years ago
Cheers Gary
5thwheel:
Gaz,That SoM trailer was dedicated to the Boots contract,Thursday overnight to Manchester,unload and refill with empties on Friday and returned overnight on Friday’s.
I believe that Stirlands collected that trailer sometimes from Manchester depot during the day.
A second ex Reeds cans trailer(all Reeds transport assets were passed to Smiths on commencement of all Reeds transport requirements)was added to that contract and another contract with Kodak from Wythenshawe ManchesterSoM finished their road transport operations mid 80’s,a couple of years after I left for pastures new!
Thanks for posting,
David
You’re welcome [emoji106]
gazsa401:
5thwheel:
Gaz,That SoM trailer was dedicated to the Boots contract,Thursday overnight to Manchester,unload and refill with empties on Friday and returned overnight on Friday’s.
I believe that Stirlands collected that trailer sometimes from Manchester depot during the day.
A second ex Reeds cans trailer(all Reeds transport assets were passed to Smiths on commencement of all Reeds transport requirements)was added to that contract and another contract with Kodak from Wythenshawe ManchesterSoM finished their road transport operations mid 80’s,a couple of years after I left for pastures new!
Thanks for posting,
David
You’re welcome [emoji106]
When I was on nights for MFS Maltby I was asked to take a loaded unit and trailer up to Penrith for one of our outbased drivers,it was early summer 1980,a friday.I parked it on station car park,keys under grill (yes),and walked down to A6/A66 island,about midnight.First wagon to turn up was a SOM ERF with ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ log book,he stopped and we were away to Stainmore for a Stirland changeover. The Stirland unit was also an ERF B series with 180 Gardner and driver very kindly dropped me at J1 on M18 instead of his usual route down the A1 to A614 and into Notts that way.It was around 0330 when I got dropped off,walked down to our depot,into car and home.Train fare paid Penrith - Sheffield,night out paid and 5 hours travelling saturday. 
Has this been posted before
Afraid so, although some say the driver just fitted the 240 badge, I noticed looking at this photo a little while ago that the GUY in the background had a ■■■■■■■ badge and different silencer, so I believe it was a genuine 8LXB motor in the forefront, it still doesn’t fit the criteria of a rear shot of the Gardner’s back end though which this overlong thread depends! Franky.
Frankydobo:
Afraid so, although some say the driver just fitted the 240 badge, I noticed looking at this photo a little while ago that the GUY in the background had a ■■■■■■■ badge and different silencer, so I believe it was a genuine 8LXB motor in the forefront, it still doesn’t fit the criteria of a rear shot of the Gardner’s back end though which this overlong thread depends! Franky.
Cheers
Frankydobo:
Afraid so, although some say the driver just fitted the 240 badge, I noticed looking at this photo a little while ago that the GUY in the background had a ■■■■■■■ badge and different silencer, so I believe it was a genuine 8LXB motor in the forefront, it still doesn’t fit the criteria of a rear shot of the Gardner’s back end though which this overlong thread depends! Franky.
I reckon the silencer on this Bewick Big J is identical to the one on the SOM Big J ? although the Henry Cooke Big J had the shorter silencer fitted.
The plot thickens and the thread rolls on ! 
I think the SOM fleet numbers for the 240 Gardners start at about MD1000.