So let me get this right… the Green party’s 2015 policy is to reduce the max weight limit for trucks to 20 tonnes, meaning there will be more than double the amount of trucks and double the drivers needed to deliver the same amount of stuff!
Road freight
TR340 Delivery vehicles are not operated in the most efficient manner in terms of reducing mileage and driving times and in load sharing. This is caused by poor delivery systems operated by companies and public organisations. The Green Party would put in measures that would encourage improved scheduling and more combined loads, and to collect return loads after delivery. To this end, a requirement would be made that delivery packaging must be collected for reuse if possible, and returned to the depot by the delivery vehicles.
TR341 National weight limits for delivery vehicles would be set within which local authorities would choose those most applicable for their roads. The aim will be to considerably reduce the size of delivery vehicles, especially in residential areas. The weight limits which we would seek to enact would be 1.5 tonnes, 3 tonnes (which would be the maximum limit in any purely residential area), 7.5 tonnes (which would be the maximum urban limit) and 20 tonnes. To enable this to happen within the current competitive environment, the Green Party will work to change E.U. law to reflect the need for a reduction in weight limits. TR342 Limits on when delivery vehicles may operate will be set by local authorities, with the aim of causing least problems for local residents. It will be expected that there should be no usage of delivery vehicles in residential areas at night, and that deliveries will aim to avoid rush hours.
TR343 The Green Party will encourage the home delivery of goods by companies (including incentives for small companies to work together for this) so that non-car owners are not excluded from the availability of products and to encourage a reduction in car journeys to retail outlets.
TR344 The Green Party would strictly regulate the working hours and conditions of drivers in the haulage industry to ensure that road safety is paramount.
Shan’t be voting for them, then. What utter morons thought of that? There are some things you just can’t fit in a 20-tonne load, and requiring more drivers for the same job means we all get paid less. It’s not like cities, let alone residential areas, are crammed with 44-tonne lorries anyway.
These muppets aren’t green they are red.Which is why they are more than happy to tear up as much countryside as possible for ‘social housing’ in which no one with any sense would want to live and railway lines.With a transport policy to match that is obviously all about sabotaging the efficiency of the road transport industry in a perceived attempt ( in their zb’d up thinking ) to ‘shift’ as much freight as possible onto rail.
Their plans obviously falling down on the realisation that road transport proved long ago that it can outperform rail in most cases given sufficient de regulation and no one with any sense wants to live in a ruined heavily urbanised social housing estate environment.
Having said that ‘if’ I was a train driver living in an area not earmarked for one of their social housing schemes they’d probably get my vote.
It was discovered 100years ago that rail freight works well in niche markets,mainly carriage of the same thing over long distances.Road freight is much more flexible and is here to stay.
There’s a part of me that wishes they would get this kind of thing through just so I could listen to the excuses and the blame game when it all goes belly up.
My VR4 weighs more than 1.5 tons so that limit is pointless when private cars often weigh that much
I don’t see how this would create a driver shortage since only the 20 tonners (what does one look like) would require a further test for anyone who passed cat B before the end of 1996.
Not that it would matter because reducing the weight of each truck means the amount of trucks would treble to take the same payload as an artic can take.
A vote for green is a vote for even more congestion
Want to save the planet? Stop a green party politician from polluting the air with their policies
Don’t worry about it, in the unlikely event of them forming a government their economic policies will screw the economy so much there won’t be anything to transport
Anyone worrying about what the Green Party might do if they form the next government (LOL) is as mad as they are. Who cares what they think, would like to do and so on? The Greens are going to have as much influence on how the country is run after May as I am.
Olog Hai:
The Greens are going to have as much influence on how the country is run after May as I am.
Unfortunately the ‘Greens’ and the rest of their socialist and Con allies already have more than enough influence on how the country is run.IE a regime dedicated to the global warmist religion and which applies socialist principles.Because the CBI sees an advantage in it.No surprise the softening up exercise to create support for the latest round of mass African cheap labour immigration,no doubt with cross Party support including the ‘Greens’,now being well under way.
Olog Hai:
The Greens are going to have as much influence on how the country is run after May as I am.
Unfortunately the ‘Greens’ and the rest of their socialist and Con allies already have more than enough influence on how the country is run.IE a regime dedicated to the global warmist religion and which applies socialist principles.Because the CBI sees an advantage in it.No surprise the softening up exercise to create support for the latest round of mass African cheap labour immigration now being well under way.
Having read that I think I’d much prefer the Greens having an influence on the country’s future direction than you.
If you are serious in what you say (and I believe that you are) then you are nuts. Absolutely, 100% crazy.
That’s not even green. To deliver the same cargo you will need at least 2 or 3 20t trucks as a single 44tonne. 3 20t will use more fuel than a single 44t.
Factor in the horrific congestion as well, maybe they should rename themselves the pollution party .
Not that it really matters because they will never get into power.
Unless the greens have come up with viable nuclear fusion motors this will involve more emissions from more small engines. The sea world knows this. Ask Maersk about their fat lady containerships. It’s better to use one large engine to move large masses than 2 smaller power plants to move the same combined mass. Ah, what about electric vehicles? Mm. Fine if you ignore the ecological damage caused by construction and mining of materials required for the batteries and their disposal, not to mention kicking the carbon footprint onto the coal supplied power stations required to provide power to charge these vehicles.
A classic case of fingers in ears, fix the immediate problem that annoys the do gooders and conveniently ignore the ramifications of your chosen alternatives because the metaphorical bill for that is picked up further back the line, out of sight. Trucks are large, stinky and upset people. Many smaller trucks would be better?? Huh?! How?? They’re less large. Yeah, but unless you buy less organic carrots you’re going to need to move the same freight and that means more engines.
I hate the term “environmental weight limit”. What a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ of reasoning. They should be called “people who want to live in a false protected eutopian bubble, yet take from this life just the same whilst forcing the visual consequences of their actions and desires out of sight - weight limits”. But that wouldn’t fit on the paperwork.
People do not do well at taking responsibility in this life. We all like a government to blame, a finger to point and a figurative Mummy and Daddy to cry to. But as modern society we do not like as people taking a hit on the nose. People want it all. No noise, lorry watch, less air traffic. The greens hate the idea of air freight. But come mothers day everyone schlepps to Tesco to buy that bunch of flowers ignoring the fact that 120 tonnes of them have been flown up from Kenya on every aircraft burning 15 tonnes of fuel an hour.
As Al Pacino said in the Devils advocate. “it’s a bit late in the game to buy out now”.
We all wanted it, we have to pay the bill properly and not use sticking plaster techniques to make it someone else’s problem.
Olog Hai:
The Greens are going to have as much influence on how the country is run after May as I am.
Unfortunately the ‘Greens’ and the rest of their socialist and Con allies already have more than enough influence on how the country is run.IE a regime dedicated to the global warmist religion and which applies socialist principles.Because the CBI sees an advantage in it.No surprise the softening up exercise to create support for the latest round of mass African cheap labour immigration now being well under way.
Having read that I think I’d much prefer the Greens having an influence on the country’s future direction than you.
If you are serious in what you say (and I believe that you are) then you are nuts. Absolutely, 100% crazy.
So it would be fair to assume that you aren’t exactly opposed to the global warmist and pro immigration agenda.Which,with the exception of UKIP,is a cross party consensus from Greens to Cons.
The result being health and economic issues caused by inflated fuel costs and people drowning trying to get here based on the ( correct ) idea that if they can make it they can most likely stay.
Freight Dog:
Unless the greens have come up with viable nuclear fusion motors this will involve more emissions from more small engines. The sea world knows this. Ask Maersk about their fat lady containerships. It’s better to use one large engine to move large masses than 2 smaller power plants to move the same combined mass. Ah, what about electric vehicles? Mm. Fine if you ignore the ecological damage caused by construction and mining of materials required for the batteries and their disposal, not to mention kicking the carbon footprint onto the coal supplied power stations required to provide power to charge these vehicles.
A classic case of fingers in ears, fix the immediate problem that annoys the do gooders and conveniently ignore the ramifications of your chosen alternatives because the metaphorical bill for that is picked up further back the line, out of sight. Trucks are large, stinky and upset people. Many smaller trucks would be better?? Huh?! How?? They’re less large. Yeah, but unless you buy less organic carrots you’re going to need to move the same freight and that means more engines.
I hate the term “environmental weight limit”. What a [zb] of reasoning. They should be called “people who want to live in a false protected eutopian bubble, yet take from this life just the same whilst forcing the visual consequences of their actions and desires out of sight - weight limits”. But that wouldn’t fit on the paperwork.
People do not do well at taking responsibility in this life. We all like a government to blame, a finger to point and a figurative Mummy and Daddy to cry to. But as modern society we do not like as people taking a hit on the nose. People want it all. No noise, lorry watch, less air traffic. The greens hate the idea of air freight. But come mothers day everyone schlepps to Tesco to buy that bunch of flowers ignoring the fact that 120 tonnes of them have been flown up from Kenya on every aircraft burning 15 tonnes of fuel an hour.
As Al Pacino said in the Devils advocate. “it’s a bit late in the game to buy out now”.
We all wanted it, we have to pay the bill properly and not use sticking plaster techniques to make it someone else’s problem.
All of which would firstly depend on anyone believing a bs theory which extrapolates atmospheric conditions on Venus to Earth.Mostly put forward by a self confessed pot smoking hippy in the form of Sagan and his naive believers.
