Got what he deserved?

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nearly there:

limeyphil:
why did he admit to it?
obviously had a [zb] brief.
he was driving at the legal limit for his vehicle, and there was slow moving traffic in front of him.
who’s fault was it really? if they didn’t travel so slow, then it wouldn’t have happened.

but if the guy wants to talk himself into 12 months behind bars, then that’s up to him.

Are you for real you idiot. Haven’t you got some ■■■■ to smuggle or something, rather than hit out with that verbal turd of a statement

@ limeyphil i have to say thats a dumb thing to say, the truck driver was driving at an appropriate speed for the conditions & the coach driver was driving like an idiot. Guy should be locked up for life as he has wrecked other peoples life for good. If coach driver was driving slower then he wouldn’t of crashed into the back of the truck. ■■■■ the schedule, its better to arrive late in this world then early in the next simples

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you must have been there. i wasn’t. so i can only go off what i’ve read

the area he was in, is an area that has lots of hills. you can be travelling in fine weather, then you have a bank of fog. did the lorry driver have his fog lights on? can someone tell me? you see it’s the little facts that you lot seem to be fully aware of that astonishes me.
the coach driver said he tried to avoid the slow moving lorry. this suggests to me that no fog lights were used. and if it was so bad, then maybe hazard lights could have been used.
if the press had made these things clear, one way or the other, then my response may have been very different.
someone has said on here that he was found guilty. he wasn’t. he changed his plea to guilty. this usually suggests a crap brief, and the usual police phrase of “admit to it, and we’ll speak to the judge on your behalf”.

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Does anybody else think that the speed limits for buses/coaches and trucks are disproportionate?

For me, a coach packed full of passengers and luggage should be subject to the same speed limits as trucks pulling freight. The fact they sometimes aren’t as heavy is cancelled out by the fact the cargo consists of human life imo. If the coach in this instance was doing 56 rather than 62 it could have made a lot of difference.

The fact they can do 50 on SC’s and we can only do 40 is even more crazy but lets not get started on that one…

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rob22888:
Does anybody else think that the speed limits for buses/coaches and trucks are disproportionate?

For me, a coach packed full of passengers and luggage should be subject to the same speed limits as trucks pulling freight. The fact they sometimes aren’t as heavy is cancelled out by the fact the cargo consists of human life imo. If the coach in this instance was doing 56 rather than 62 it could have made a lot of difference.

The fact they can do 50 on SC’s and we can only do 40 is even more crazy but lets not get started on that one…

the coach could have been 56 if the driver had wished…thats why he is in prison :smiley:

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rob22888:
Does anybody else think that the speed limits for buses/coaches and trucks are disproportionate?

i think the speed limits for trucks, coaches, car, motorcycles, trains, hamsters, an porcupines should be the same.

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limeyphil:

rob22888:
Does anybody else think that the speed limits for buses/coaches and trucks are disproportionate?

i think the speed limits for trucks, coaches, car, motorcycles, trains, hamsters, an porcupines should be the same.

What about the guinea pigs ?

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bald bloke:

limeyphil:

rob22888:
Does anybody else think that the speed limits for buses/coaches and trucks are disproportionate?

i think the speed limits for trucks, coaches, car, motorcycles, trains, hamsters, an porcupines should be the same.

What about the guinea pigs ?

we are the guinea pigs. :smiley:

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Yes speed limits should be 10 mph for all vehicles then no-one would be killed.

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independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr … 82247.html

walesonline.co.uk/news/wales … -31487031/

I find it helps to read more than one BBC report.

The problem with the weather was icy, it was the coldest December for many years, there was a lot of snow around in the previous week and immediately after the accident, obviously temperatures had risen slightly that weekend which means mist and fog, was it a solid blanket of fog or was it patchy?

The bus hit the lorry, it was the Sainsbury lorry that crossed the central reservation and killed Mr Vaughan.

For that reason I think the sentence was more than satisfactory. Two years inside, not suspended, 3 year ban and an extended retest, he has hardly got off lightly.

The big difference for a lorry driver is that he hasn’t got 81 expert witnesses sat behind him if it goes wrong.

I was a very bad accident in difficult conditions. and in answer to the original question. Yes I think he did.

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Parr, who was taking the coach with a co-driver from Cardiff to Leeds, told officers: "The wagon just appeared in front of me. I didn’t know it was there. If there were fog lights they were very dim.

but no mention of the police checking this.

Passenger Sarah McTaggart felt that Parr had been in a hurry since leaving Bristol “judging by the way luggage was thrown on board and it pulled away before she had a chance to sit down property,” said Mr Steen.

but she still travelled.

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The cretin got off lightly,should have got 10 years and banned from driving for life.

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I received my P45 through the post a few years ago.I was always the slow one,when the lorry was late they all new that I was the driver etc.etc.I asked why I couldnt just start earlier but no, every one else has plenty of time,just horse on like every body else.I live within my means and dont have to keep up with the Joneses or any of that ZB.Some folks need their job and will be under pressure to cut corners,my sympathy to all concerned.

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James Bateman2:
The cretin got off lightly,should have got 10 years and banned from driving for life.

i can’t get my head around this.
was he the only one responsible? no
was he under pressure from the office? probably
was his passengers making a lot of noise? probably
did the sainsburys trailer have its fog lights on? probably not
he clipped the trailer, but why didn’t the lorry driver use his brakes?
did his windscreen mist up?
did he get decent legal representation? no chance

i hope none of you lot sit on a jury, you’d be shouting “lynch him, lynch him”, and that’s before the trial gets started. :laughing:

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limeyphil:

James Bateman2:
The cretin got off lightly,should have got 10 years and banned from driving for life.

i can’t get my head around this.
was he the only one responsible? no
was he under pressure from the office? probably
was his passengers making a lot of noise? probably
did the sainsburys trailer have its fog lights on? probably not
he clipped the trailer, but why didn’t the lorry driver use his brakes?
did his windscreen mist up?
did he get decent legal representation? no chance

i hope none of you lot sit on a jury, you’d be shouting “lynch him, lynch him”, and that’s before the trial gets started. :laughing:

Are you a troll,that explain your comments.his actions that day caused the death of a man for no other reasson than behaving like a ■■■■■■■■■ his family his death is ok as the coach driver maybe had a misty windy and what about the lorry driver who was hit by him. Limey you really are a turd mixer

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As above he got off very lightly, 2 years for killing someone anyone with a brain knows this is very light.
Just because his right foot was down to far his made a family’s life hell they are living a nightmare now because of this stupidity.
It doesn’t matter if he had people talking to him or must on the screen he was simply going to fast for the conditions. He may not of meant for this to happen but that’s life he did so has to be punished. If it was me that done this I would expect to go jail for at least 8-10 years

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tyler4164:

nearly there:

limeyphil:
why did he admit to it?
obviously had a [zb] brief.
he was driving at the legal limit for his vehicle, and there was slow moving traffic in front of him.
who’s fault was it really? if they didn’t travel so slow, then it wouldn’t have happened.

but if the guy wants to talk himself into 12 months behind bars, then that’s up to him.

Are you for real you idiot. Haven’t you got some ■■■■ to smuggle or something, rather than hit out with that verbal turd of a statement

@ limeyphil i have to say thats a dumb thing to say, the truck driver was driving at an appropriate speed for the conditions & the coach driver was driving like an idiot. Guy should be locked up for life as he has wrecked other peoples life for good. If coach driver was driving slower then he wouldn’t of crashed into the back of the truck. [zb] the schedule, its better to arrive late in this world then early in the next simples

^That.

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It’s better to arrive late than to not arrive at all.

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keebs26uk:
As above he got off very lightly, 2 years for killing someone anyone with a brain knows this is very light.
Just because his right foot was down to far his made a family’s life hell they are living a nightmare now because of this stupidity.
It doesn’t matter if he had people talking to him or must on the screen he was simply going to fast for the conditions. He may not of meant for this to happen but that’s life he did so has to be punished. If it was me that done this I would expect to go jail for at least 8-10 years

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Harry Monk:
Well, the thing is that people are generally sentenced to long terms of imprisonment when they have deliberately set out on a course of action designed to kill somebody; or have acted so recklessly in the course of a criminal act such as ■■■■ or robbery that somebody had died as a result of that recklessness.

People aren’t generally sentenced to long terms of imprisonment for brief acts of human error, and had an accident such as this occurred on the railway then the Railway Inspectorate would look at underlying reasons for the accident such as fatigue, or an expectation to meet unrealistic schedules rather than just playing the “blame the driver” card.

But let me put the ball back in your court. What would you say would be a fair sentence?

A fair sentance… At least 5yrs and not a day less, a lifetime driving ban, not just buses, but cars and motorbikes too :bulb:

The ‘accident’ was not an accident, it was a collision, caused by someone’s (the bus driver) negligence and contempt for the conditions :bulb:

It was on a public road, not a closed train line, so wtf trains have to do with it I do not know :unamused:

Anybody who has driven on the roads will have seen the carnage that can be caused by driving too fast for the conditions, now that is open to interpretation, but if everyone else is going along at 2mph, then those are the conditions, it matters not one bit how much faster you think you’re capable of going safely, if you’re the fastest vehicle on the road, then there is a strong possibility that you will come up on someone a lot quicker than you think and then BANG :exclamation:

In this particular case the driver did deliberately set out on a course of action that could kill people, the fact that a man died through the actions of the bus driver proves this :bulb:

Driving while under the influence, driving with a known medical issue (like blackouts or similar) driving too fast for the conditions, all of them are exactly the same as firing a gun into a crowd of people, some days you may be lucky and not hit anybody, but some days you’ll kill someone, the punishment should fit the crime :bulb:

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He’ll be back driving buses or coaches within a few years I’m sure.