40 new truck parks to be built.
500 new Government jobs created. (Not driving jobs but transport related)
New, transport related clerical jobs also to make new customs declarations.(400 million a year, at thirty odd quid a pop)
More revenue for health insurance industry.
More revenue for UK kennels.
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Sorry that’s really 50,000 extra customs jobs, not a mere 500.
Franglais:
40 new truck parks to be built.
I’ll only believe it when I actually see it being done.
robroy:
Franglais:
40 new truck parks to be built.I’ll only believe it when I actually see it being done.
All free too!
Well, free for the international users. You UK domestic drivers won’t be using them, although the Government (through taxes) will pay for them.
Maybe it’s a secondary use for the carparks in the 40 new hospitals that the blonde clown was told to promise the voters?
About as much chance of 40 hospitals as 40 new truck parks in my opinion.
Darkside:
Maybe it’s a secondary use for the carparks in the 40 new hospitals that the blonde clown was told to promise the voters?About as much chance of 40 hospitals as 40 new truck parks in my opinion.
Ahh! The upgrading of 6 existing hospitals, and plans to maybe do summat more in 2025?
fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/
Actually Gove seems to imply all this will be done by December? Or maybe by this time next year? I mean with no border controls, no one would be dishonest enough to take advantage, would they?
After all we can rely on “common sense” nowadays.
Even Liz Truss has her doubts about it all.
Guess she’ll be moved aside soon? Grating is one of Johnson faithful, maybe someone of his capability can take on her job as well as his own new role?
Edit. Grayling, not Grating in last sentence…although grating and grinding noises are allegedly heard as he thinks.
robroy:
Franglais:
40 new truck parks to be built.I’ll only believe it when I actually see it being done.
+1…
Like anything in transport, don’t believe it until you’re driving it down the highway, it’s actually right in front of your eyes or it’s been paid into your bank acccount.
In France the toll motorways have " Aire de repos " or rest area with a dog walking area in the woods , toilets , these stops are about every 30 kns , the UK government dropped plans to have the same so I guess the service area bosses or ■■■■ Turpin of highway robbery objected to this .
If traveling towards the south of France the service areas have fine mist showers to walk through fully clothed , what a good idea to cool the French down on their way to the third holiday home in the alps or seaside .
Never park in the motorway laybys from La Jonquera Spanish border to Barcelona , Alicante to Valencia , that is bandit country for cab robbers and thieves that appear from nowhere and never seen like ghosts .
Professional criminals driving around in new Bmw’s using distraction tactics on naive tourists .
50,000 customs agents…
Assuming 35k per year that costs the tax payer £1.75 billion a year just on wages alone
Add on office costs - paper, printing, computers, software, electricity, heating and ac, vehicles, petrol, land acquisition, building costs, maintenance
Public sector pensions at the end of it too.
Quite a lot of money to make it more difficult to trade with our neighbours
chrisdalott:
50,000 customs agents…Assuming 35k per year that costs the tax payer £1.75 billion a year just on wages alone
Add on office costs - paper, printing, computers, software, electricity, heating and ac, vehicles, petrol, land acquisition, building costs, maintenance
Public sector pensions at the end of it too.
Quite a lot of money to make it more difficult to trade with our neighbours
Last line in the article?
400 million customs declarations at £34 each. That’s £13.6 billion per annum.
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I would think that would be reflected in EU land too? So if it costs £34 to make a UK customs export doc, it’ll cost the same to clear it over the channel? And same with imports…
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Eventually the consumer will be paying as always. Either UK shoppers, or EU shoppers.
If the latter then the extra cost, and possibility of delay might make UK suppliers less competitive?
In former case, we could choose to buy more UK produce?
The land cost for those truck parks will surely increase as farmers buy land to plant orange or peach trees, and build industrial greenhouses for year round, tomato, lettuce, strawberries etc.
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Franglais:
chrisdalott:
50,000 customs agents…Assuming 35k per year that costs the tax payer £1.75 billion a year just on wages alone
Add on office costs - paper, printing, computers, software, electricity, heating and ac, vehicles, petrol, land acquisition, building costs, maintenance
Public sector pensions at the end of it too.
Quite a lot of money to make it more difficult to trade with our neighbours
Last line in the article?
400 million customs declarations at £34 each. That’s £13.6 billion per annum.
.I would think that would be reflected in EU land too? So if it costs £34 to make a UK customs export doc, it’ll cost the same to clear it over the channel? And same with imports…
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Eventually the consumer will be paying as always. Either UK shoppers, or EU shoppers.
If the latter then the extra cost, and possibility of delay might make UK suppliers less competitive?
In former case, we could choose to buy more UK produce?
The land cost for those truck parks will surely increase as farmers buy land to plant orange or peach trees, and build industrial greenhouses for year round, tomato, lettuce, strawberries etc..
We are just at the point where Project Fear became Project Optomistic…
toby1234abc:
In France the toll motorways have " Aire de repos " or rest area with a dog walking area in the woods , toilets , these stops are about every 30 kns ,
I hope the toilets are a lot better. You need to be damned desperate to want to use the ones in those rest areas as they stink worse than a cesspit. The french are dirty barstewards and the “toilets” in these rest areas do nothing to refute that.
i suspect the state of the toilets in france and every other country relates to the users, and most of the lorry users will be foreign, and after driving around Europe and GB for over 40 years GB drivers are some of the worst offenders.
Expect a press release on or around the last week of November declaring 40 selected hard-shoulders as truckstops from December 1st. It would not surprise me in the least. And those 500 (or 50,000) related new jobs? Litter pickers no doubt.
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Conor:
toby1234abc:
In France the toll motorways have " Aire de repos " or rest area with a dog walking area in the woods , toilets , these stops are about every 30 kns ,I hope the toilets are a lot better. You need to be damned desperate to want to use the ones in those rest areas as they stink worse than a cesspit. The french are dirty barstewards and the “toilets” in these rest areas do nothing to refute that.
So it’s only the " French" drivers that park in these Aire de Repos is it ■■?
You’re a ■■■■ Connor of the highest form!!!
And as a p. s.
The tarmac smells sweeter here than in the rat infested MSA"s in the UK!!!
Conor:
toby1234abc:
In France the toll motorways have " Aire de repos " or rest area with a dog walking area in the woods , toilets , these stops are about every 30 kns ,I hope the toilets are a lot better. You need to be damned desperate to want to use the ones in those rest areas as they stink worse than a cesspit. The french are dirty barstewards and the “toilets” in these rest areas do nothing to refute that.
You will have to tell us whereabouts these are Conor as your comments do not,in my experience reflect the state of things in France.
I have been in the expensive UK this week with horrible roads and smelly parking.
Conor:
toby1234abc:
In France the toll motorways have " Aire de repos " or rest area with a dog walking area in the woods , toilets , these stops are about every 30 kns ,I hope the toilets are a lot better. You need to be damned desperate to want to use the ones in those rest areas as they stink worse than a cesspit. The french are dirty barstewards and the “toilets” in these rest areas do nothing to refute that.
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i was unaware you travelled through france to limp your way from hull to lockerbie every night in your poverty spec donkey.
ive been all over france,and in general terms they are way ahead of the uk msa versions.
theres a better quality of dogger and layby ladies apart from the state of the urinals… 
Yesterday cross border by truck from Denmark to Norway.All customs checking taked 2 minute.All paperwork filled and printed advances.Customs clerk scan,check and job done.Same situation at Switzerland.
Andrejs:
Yesterday cross border by truck from Denmark to Norway.All customs checking taked 2 minute.All paperwork filled and printed advances.Customs clerk scan,check and job done.Same situation at Switzerland.
Yes. True.
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Norway is in the EEA.
Norway allows free movement of EU citizens.
Norway is a signatory to the Schengen agreement.
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Switzerland has signed many agreements with the EU.
Schengen.
EFTA.
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So far, the UK…
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Franglais:
Andrejs:
Yesterday cross border by truck from Denmark to Norway.All customs checking taked 2 minute.All paperwork filled and printed advances.Customs clerk scan,check and job done.Same situation at Switzerland.Yes. True.
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Norway is in the EEA.
Norway allows free movement of EU citizens.
Norway is a signatory to the Schengen agreement.
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Switzerland has signed many agreements with the EU.
Schengen.
EFTA.
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So far, the UK…
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But if we talk about only goods customs.That we live in digital world.Everything can preparated in internet.Don t need check every truck at border.At Switzeland just one difference.There to many customs firm.Need to know who is do paperwork.
Andrejs:
But if we talk about only goods customs.That we live in digital world.Everything can preparated in internet.Don t need check every truck at border.At Switzeland just one difference.There to many customs firm.Need to know who is do paperwork.
I repeat Switzerland and Norway have trade agreements with the EU. So far the UK doesnt*. So we will need *more* documentation. Little difference if its paper or electronic, it needs people to fill in export forms, check forms, and then fill in import forms. It all costs money.
CH and N have customs computer systems and personal to deal with their documentation.
The UK is currently recruiting 50,000 customs workers, and will need extra workers to deal with the 400,000,000 customs declarations made each year. It all costs money.
The UK customs computer system? They haven`t even started building one yet!
computerweekly.com/news/252 … -IT-system
*£7,500,000,000 per year! according to the FT estimate. £150 million a week, if it all goes smoothly, and since when have new Gov systems gone smoothly? £150,000,000 extra cost to gain?
ft.com/content/89ec6d3c-a5c … 398a922d4e
Computer systems can smooth the way compared with paper systems, yes. But it won`t be as smooth or as cheap as today, when we need to fill in nothing, need no checks, and employ no-one to do these tasks.