Don’t forget the £7ph for boring each other to death in driver waiting rooms or reading the internet as your container gets tipped…
I don’t actually know any shelf stackers or cleaners but the ones I’ve seen in action look like they work pretty hard to me. Unlike most drivers I know (including myself).
I sorta sympathise with the OP but using the default ‘blame the driver’ routine is a bit lame.
Just how long do you have to do in Industry to realise that you don’t get the best results from your staff by shouting at them?
Say you’re delivering the newest Sony playstation at xmas, or the new iphone, or booze, or coke, or kitty litter for gods sake, someone will want what is on your truck and not want to pay for it, the law of odds says you’re going to get robbed eventually.
I’ve had an empty container (refer) door opened. I was not harmed, nothing was taken, but it was a pain in the arse because I was on my way to collect food with it, no idea if they’d contaminated it in any way, so had to go and swap container and job was delayed etc.
The risk of getting a fine is MUCH greater, it’s easy to cover a box junction - even a little - with a truck, or get caught by a light that’s turned red - East Lancs anyone? Or exceed 40mph on a downhill stretch of single carriageway road - Woodhead A616 anyone? ETC.
A digi tacho doesn’t cost a lot, a medical doesn’t cost a lot, adr doesn’t cost a lot, renewing your photo licence doesn’t cost a lot, but it all adds up and costs a lot more than a cleaner has to spend, this should be reflected in the wages
I don’t think any firm should be allowed more than 10% off foreign workforce.
I love how it’s the drivers fault the company is getting zb rates, half the time the companies are top heavy with staff trying to justify their jobs printing off bullzb safety procedures for you to sign.
stevieboy308:
[Someone offers a wage to do a job, either someone accepts it or not, the offer will increase untill someone takes the offer or dissapear because it has become unprofitable. Where’s the exploitation?
We/them are being exploited:
Do you think wages for drivers would be at the rate they are now if it was not for the influx of labour from the old soviet block countries?
Have the wages increased?
In most cases they have stagnated or reversed.
Wage freeze or lower wages offered than several years ago is exploitation in my mind,or is that an example of benevolence?
Or are you rubbing yours hands in anticipation of the cracking Christmas bonus you going to give.
If it walks like a duck…
C10HOO:
At the end of the day, you know the wages before taking to job so you can’t really twine they’re low. It’s better than nothing. Everyone wants a payrise but after being unemployed for 3 months and a kid on the way I was happy for any hourly rate to be honest, quite happy still with it. I earn a comfortable living and I’m glad and grateful Ive got a job. I owe my boss a lot in takin me on over the many other applicants. My opinion, my choice,
Love driving trucks, over the moon when I finally got my class one and £8p/h I’m on now is better than my class 2 rate of £7 p/h and better than my unemployed wage of £ jack [zb] per hour.
The tories are good at sacking half the workforce to get the other half working faster for less. It kind of like the nazis and hinge makers, make an “example” of someone “bang” the rest start dancing double time to your tune. So I’m glad your “grateful” when you never asked to be born into the damned system in the first place. Oh and when “they” have what they want your made redundant, you can work out what the nazis do for yourself.
That’s some poor attitude to a workforce the OP has, not just drivers but factory workers. In my experience a workforce tends to act and reflect the attitude to work from the top. I would be getting a large mirror out if I were you.
C10HOO:
At the end of the day, you know the wages before taking to job so you can’t really twine they’re low.
Let’s say you’ve been in your current job for 5+ years and considered the wage ok when you started, but every year your boss uses the current economic climate to say “sorry no pay rise again this year” (I’m not saying all are using this excuse but a lot are) so after a few years you would have expected your wages to rise yearly but they haven’t, then is it ok to have a little twine ■■
stevieboy308:
[Someone offers a wage to do a job, either someone accepts it or not, the offer will increase untill someone takes the offer or dissapear because it has become unprofitable. Where’s the exploitation?
We/them are being exploited:
Do you think wages for drivers would be at the rate they are now if it was not for the influx of labour from the old soviet block countries?
Have the wages increased?
In most cases they have stagnated or reversed.
Wage freeze or lower wages offered than several years ago is exploitation in my mind,or is that an example of benevolence?
Or are you rubbing yours hands in anticipation of the cracking Christmas bonus you going to give.
If it walks like a duck…
So because there is a wage freeze or lower wages being offered than previous years, then in your mind that is exploitation.
I never realised I exploited my solicitor 3 years ago when I bought my house, due to supply and demand he was charging half as much as he had previously charged. I won’t even tell you how much cheaper I bought the house for than it was sold for 18 months previous! Supply and demand is always changing, sometimes you’re up, sometimes you’re down.
Of course the influx of eastern European workers has had an impact of wages, anything that effects the supply demand ratio will do. But that’s a political point and not down to individual companies or the workers themselves, but don’t forget that plenty of people have left these shore to work abroad.
Are you confusing me with someone else regaurding the Christmas bonus or just making assumptions?
Slackbladder:
That’s some poor attitude to a workforce the OP has, not just drivers but factory workers. In my experience a workforce tends to act and reflect the attitude to work from the top. I would be getting a large mirror out if I were you.
Its nothing to do with my attitude, I agree a happy workforce is a productive workforce, but sometimes a workforce always wants more. I am lucky that I have seen it from both sides of the fence, now Im now realizing after running my own company its not all one sided. Just the other week a friend of mine who still drives was moaning that he was being sent to a port with a container at Friday lunch time and would not be back until Saturday lunchtime but wants nights out through the week and if it does`nt suit he moans.
We then went on to discuss if he worked for me and if he completed a job earlier than anticipated then would he get a bonus, no was the reply, why should you? His argument was that he had finished the job early so could move onto another to increase profit.
OK, logical but what happens the first time he doesnt get a bonus, the dummy gets spat out and starts to work a “go slow” to prove a point. However if he never had the bonus in the first place he would work at the same rate all the time.
The factory I was on about with polish staff I am commenting on through meeting the workforce, always cheery, polite, but on the other hand I will always say good morning or whatever to them first and not just grunt or ignore them.
I treat others as I would like to be treat myself, politely, fairly, honestly and take reward for doing a good days work. How many times have you walked into a factory or whatever only to be greeted with a grunt, I always speak to whoever with a smile and polite manner, it surprising how many doors it opens, as opposed to throwing notes at a drivers window and grunting “which bay you want me on?” I have seen it many many times.
How many people on here live beyond their means, 50" plasa tv`s on the wall, iphones paying £35 per month just so they can have one. Then moan that the wages are not high enough because they are living beyond their means.
I have a crappy 38" lcd tv bought from Asda 5 years ago, my phone is a nokia 5800 had it for 3 years and I pay £7.50 per month and I run a business from it.
I used to have the attitude that the company I worked for owed me the world, when you have to pay for everything yourself and still live its a totally different ball game.
marsden:
One of my own customers has a factory producing puddings, (the sweet type, not stupid people), the workforce is 95% polish, why? well they will get up at midnight to start work at 1am for not much more than the minimum wage, the puddings are on the shelves in supermarkets for £1.99, what would the average uk employee demand for his attempt at turning up at that time and putting in a p*ss poor performance, how much would my customer have to sell the puddings for then? could anybody afford to buy them? The polish go in, work hard and productively and then go home, end of.
The English would turn up at 12.59am have a ■■■ break, moan about getting up in the middle of the night, moan about only being on £8.50 per hour, trail around putting overalls on etc and would`nt really start working (and I use the term working very loosely) until 01.45am.
The majority of the british workforce has been their own worst enemy over the years.
LIES!
I’ve worked in places with English and Polish workforce, and the Polish DID NOT work harder than the English, if anything, after 3mths, the opposite applied.
I think minimum wage is about right for any factory job and any hours, we used to do 3 shift patterns, 6-2, 2-10, 10-6, and all were paid at just above minimum wage - we got a shift allowance which is what took it above minimum wage.
Nobody moaned, we didn’t have time to moan, we just got on with it.
It was actually a really good job, there was a set start time, a set finish time, set break times - although you could go for a ■■■■ when you needed 1, your work mates just covered you whilst you went, there was no ■■■■ taking.
A company in Leeds employs nothing but Polish people, and they are the slowest, laziest, moaning gits around, used to tip containers in there and it was an aweful place to deliver to.
So often I hear this same argument, and it’s bull. There are lazy English people, but I blame the benefit system for that, if they had to earn their money instead of getting it handed to them on a platter, they would.
I’ve nothing against the foreign work force in our country, I don’t believe they’ve driven down the wages too much - they DO NOT work for less than us. I don’t like the fact that they can claim benefits for their family that isn’t in the country though.
C10HOO:
At the end of the day, you know the wages before taking to job so you can’t really twine they’re low. It’s better than nothing. Everyone wants a payrise but after being unemployed for 3 months and a kid on the way I was happy for any hourly rate to be honest, quite happy still with it. I earn a comfortable living and I’m glad and grateful Ive got a job. I owe my boss a lot in takin me on over the many other applicants. My opinion, my choice,
Love driving trucks, over the moon when I finally got my class one and £8p/h I’m on now is better than my class 2 rate of £7 p/h and better than my unemployed wage of £ jack [zb] per hour.
The tories are good at sacking half the workforce to get the other half working faster for less. It kind of like the nazis and hinge makers, make an “example” of someone “bang” the rest start dancing double time to your tune. So I’m glad your “grateful” when you never asked to be born into the damned system in the first place. Oh and when “they” have what they want your made redundant, you can work out what the nazis do for yourself.
If you don’t like the system mate, why don’t you start changing it. None of us have a choice about the system we’re born into, but you do have a choice about whether to accept it or not. (At least in this country you do.)
That’s where you get dragged out of bed by the alarm clock at 5 am, ■■■■ shave and fight traffic to get to some place where you spend all day helping someone else get rich. And then you’re supposed to feel grateful for the oppurtunity
mickyblue:
But people would rather be unemployed then take a £7 an hour job, that’s sad.
This old saying get’s my goat
why do it for less than someone sweeping or mopping a cafe floor?
Where’s the respect in that?
So your saying that person who works hard to bring in a few quid for their family shouldn’t get any respect?. At the end of the day your a lorry driver and their an cleaner, both are different jobs. Why should a lorry driver get more respect then a cleaner?. The same goes for me, why should i get more respect then a cleaner because i am a police officer?
Nope personally i would respect the cleaner more than any police officer!
That’s your choice. To be honest i would respect the cleaner more then i respect you!
mickyblue:
But people would rather be unemployed then take a £7 an hour job, that’s sad.
This old saying get’s my goat
why do it for less than someone sweeping or mopping a cafe floor?
Where’s the respect in that?
So your saying that person who works hard to bring in a few quid for their family shouldn’t get any respect?. At the end of the day your a lorry driver and their an cleaner, both are different jobs. Why should a lorry driver get more respect then a cleaner?. The same goes for me, why should i get more respect then a cleaner because i am a police officer?
I thought GCSE English was a requirement to become a bobby these days?
That’s where you get dragged out of bed by the alarm clock at 5 am, [zb] shave and fight traffic to get to some place where you spend all day helping someone else get rich. And then you’re supposed to feel grateful for the oppurtunity
(a quote by Charles Bukowski)
You could start your own business aswell if you wanted to.
marsden:
‘…Be thankful you have a job at these knackered times due to a greedy government …’
Have some sympathy, mate - the Government is simply trying to service the UK’s EU subscription on behalf of you as a EU citizen from its ■■■■■ that’s become tattered in handing out willy-nilly to the irresponsible neighbour’s kids.
The devil lies in that unrecognised detail
Whether shelf-stacker or wheel-monkey is largely irrelevant when the master in Brussels is beyond being negotiated with.
Own the ■■■■-up that the polling booth consistently returns us with, why not
There’s no point of picking-up on the discontent from our corner of the industry when unrest is riddling all other industries that Van Rumpuy’s UK domain administrators are wrecking/selling/giving-away too…
So we have an Employer moaning about Drivers wanting a decent wage you can live on.
Doesn`t want to give them Holidays and moaning about the quality of drivers he has, no bloody wonder.
Its people like this that cause Drivers to moan on forums, you shouldn`t be allowed to run a business.
As far as I am aware there’s pretty good money in store work with extra weeks holidays so if they set the standard then why don`t you follow and you might attract decent drivers.
No doubt because you want to use people to increase your own wage.
mickyblue:
But people would rather be unemployed then take a £7 an hour job, that’s sad.
This old saying get’s my goat
why do it for less than someone sweeping or mopping a cafe floor?
Where’s the respect in that?
So your saying that person who works hard to bring in a few quid for their family shouldn’t get any respect?. At the end of the day your a lorry driver and their an cleaner, both are different jobs. Why should a lorry driver get more respect then a cleaner?. The same goes for me, why should i get more respect then a cleaner because i am a police officer?
I thought GCSE English was a requirement to become a bobby these days?
Point is?
Basic primary school level grammar.
Poor grammar/spelling is pretty much to be expected from your average truck driver - let’s face it, his written communication doesn’t need to extend much further than filling in a time sheet and getting a POD signed. But I always thought a copper needed to be able to write statements, reports etc?
