Harry Monk:
It’s all changed now mate, you can’t even get a packet of ■■■■ out of a vending machine for three five-pence pieces any more.
I remember the days when a packet of ■■■■ cost 15p from a Wurlitzer ■■■ machine. 
Happy days!! 
To Big r250,why not hire a trailer and get a load from the Mann truck filter factory that is a few kms away from Landshut,they export filters to any place in Europe.Agent would be DSV to get you home.
Toby he would need to have the vehicle outfitted with the correct
ENGLISH paper work I would have thought■■?, he could confirm this
with the official’s in the UK or try the BAG , Who will speak English,
because if it is illegal they will drop on him from a great height,
and the worst one will be the Belgian and French as they just love taking
Money off truckers,
brit pete:
Toby he would need to have the vehicle outfitted with the correct
ENGLISH paper work I would have thought■■?, he could confirm this
with the official’s in the UK or try the BAG , Who will speak English,
because if it is illegal they will drop on him from a great height,
and the worst one will be the Belgian and French as they just love taking
Money off truckers,
I can already see the face on the ‘Belgie’ copper, a truck on a German temporary registration with a UK authorisation!! Sounds like a couple of thosand euro’s to me?? Also, I’d have to take the hire trailer back and run ‘bobtail’ home so I might as well just get on with it.
I’m waiting to hear from the dealer to see if he can sort everything for next Monday or it’ll have to be after Christmas, or even the New Year to go for it. 
I can’t believe the three 5p’s won’t work any more, you’ll be telling me next that Spanish night trunkers dont stop 4 times a night for brandy & coffees in their Pegasso 8 wheelers, the ones with retarders on the back of the rear diff!!
Ross.
you SAID THAT YOU ARE BUYING THE VEHICLE in FULDA
The shortest route out of GERMANY IS
FULDA–KASSEL–DORTMUND—VENLO (NL) around 370kms
not sure but I would pay the €8 for a EURO-VINGETTE
just in case one of those nice Belgians get up tight with
you ; BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY
from VENLO to say OSTENDE if no hold ups say 5hrs
driving, it can also be less all depends on the traffic,
add say 1 hr more for Calais but try DUNKIRK as DFDS
–NORFOLK LINE is 1,000 times better un my opinion,
hope this helps any more questions ask away as some
one will have a answer for you
dont forget to buy a new set of winter tyres, brit pete will probably have an outlet 
SORRY wheelnut mate , but if they are not all ready fitted
when the guy gets there to pick up the truck, then HE has to
KINDLY inform him that he wants a set fitted before he moves off,
believe me the police are checking and its down to -8 or lower
in some places and its SNOWING so this seller has to supply the vehicle
with SNOW tyres WHEN HE SELLS IT ; i WOULD HAVE THOUGHT;;;;;
brit pete:
SORRY wheelnut mate , but if they are not all ready fitted
when the guy gets there to pick up the truck, then HE has to
KINDLY inform him that he wants a set fitted before he moves off,
believe me the police are checking and its down to -8 or lower
in some places and its SNOWING so this seller has to supply the vehicle
with SNOW tyres WHEN HE SELLS IT ; i WOULD HAVE THOUGHT;;;;;
It appears Brit Pete has been trumpeting the use of winter tyres for many months now, possibly even years, yet a recent article dropped into my lap suggesting that this new legislation is as recent as the 4th December 2010 and there is a worldwide shortage of suitable tyres.
M&S Tyres (Matsch und Schnee) M+S tyres compulsory for Germany
In a change to German traffic regulations meaning that as from Saturday 4 December 2010, all trucks over 3.5 tonnes and buses with more than eight seats must use Mud and Snow (M+S) drive axle tyres on roads covered with ice, hard-packed snow or slush. This applies to domestic vehicles and foreigners visiting or crossing the country. German tyre-maker Continental welcomes the move that says clarifies the law by defining which tyres are suitable for winter and when to use them. The firm says all its drive axle tyres are M+S rated and marked. It also says winter-marked tyres such as its Scandinavia range used on all axles will give even greater safety on winter roads.
wheelnut it has been LAW in Austria and many other country’s for years ,
yes it has only become law this year IN Nov 26th for every one ,be grateful
that they are not asking for 4mm +TREAD depth like many of the other
country’s are doing , I have been shouting about snow chains and as for
winter TYRES I have early on pointed out which country says YOU need
THEM , and Now GERMANY has joined the winter tyre family of country’s
LETS look at this in a practical way me I am for a stress free life and
yes it costs but IF i HAD been lucky enough to have been a O/D and was
going where there is snow, YES I would have bought good winter tyres
in fact where I worked my wagon had them as i visited Finland weekly
using the ferry and for winter it was worth the bother,
also as some one has pointed out else where Scandinavian tyres are
different to the ones in EUROPE;,
wheelnut just like I preach about LADUNGSSICHERUNG—SAFE LASHING OF LOADS
as it is some thing that is being checked not only by the GERMANS now, even more…
brit pete:
wheelnut it has been LAW in Austria and many other country’s for years ,
yes it has only become law this year IN Nov 26th for every one ,be grateful
that they are not asking for 4mm +TREAD depth like many of the other
country’s are doing , I have been shouting about snow chains and as for
winter TYRES I have early on pointed out which country says YOU need
THEM , and Now GERMANY has joined the winter tyre family of country’s
LETS look at this in a practical way me I am for a stress free life and
yes it costs but IF i HAD been lucky enough to have been a O/D and was
going where there is snow, YES I would have bought good winter tyres
in fact where I worked my wagon had them as i visited Finland weekly
using the ferry and for winter it was worth the bother,
also as some one has pointed out else where Scandinavian tyres are
different to the ones in EUROPE;,
wheelnut just like I preach about LADUNGSSICHERUNG—SAFE LASHING OF LOADS
as it is some thing that is being checked not only by the GERMANS now, even more…
Peter, calm down and use the forums to discuss the issues, it is not the first time you have posted things as law when they are advisory or suggested.
I am imagining the scenario of a company director or salesman going off to Germany to meet a client, he is in his 75k BMW and arrives in Fulda, the next morning, he is on the motorway, the sun is shining and he gets “selected” for a routine inspection.
The 2 month old car has the original tyres fitted which have only done 3000 miles. Now the German plod are telling him he must change to winter tyres when in reality they will fine him €40 and send him on his way. Let us say the car is on a 3 year lease with tyres included, will the leasing company provide new tyres from Gummimeister? Or will they do as they do now and use their own suppliers, if you have had any dealings with leasing companies, they will not even pay for screenwash.
This company director comes back and instructs his company lawyer to start an action agianst the BMW garage, who in turn sue BMW as the vehicle is not fit for purpose. BMW sue Michelin, Good Year and Continental Tyres as they are guilty of selling illegal tyres.
brit pete:
be grateful that they are not asking for 4mm +TREAD depth like many of the other country’s are doing ,
To be honest anyone venturing over the water with less than 4mm on their tyres is asking for trouble anyway, winter or summer. It is the thickness of a blade fuse 
Cars are tested in extreme temperatures, the reason why Ontime Automotive deliver prototypes from the UK to Rovaniemi in Finland and on to the Western Sahara in a refrigerated lorry. The engineers watch as the windscreens falls out and adjust the design accordingly. They redesign the air conditioning and the heater vents to cope with extreme climates. You can drive from Valencia to Lyon and be in +40’c temperatures as you head North, drive through -2’c Snowfalls and back to +30’c in France in early June.
You may have passed on information as is written but like many laws, it is a small donkey 
all I can say it is law and WHEEL NUT for german reg
vehicles the Insurance is null and void when not complying
and involved in a accident and this may just apply to your
Insurance as well , unless they have stated other wise
as for the fine yes it is between €40–€80 plus they could / may
impound your vehicle if they believe you are a safety risk
on the road,By the way the police can now stop and check
all vehicles just to check what tyres you have fitted as well
a up to date list of Country’s where WINTER TYRES are compulsory will be posted later
.
brit pete:
all I can say it is law and WHEEL NUT for german reg
vehicles the Insurance is null and void when not complying
and involved in a accident and this may just apply to your
Insurance as well , unless they have stated other wise
as for the fine yes it is between €40–€80 plus they could / may
impound your vehicle if they believe you are a safety risk
on the road,By the way the police can now stop and check
all vehicles just to check what tyres you have fitted as wella up to date list of Country’s where WINTER TYRES are compulsory will be posted later
.
Cheers Pete. From your own link:
Germany has recently (4 December 2010) introduced new regulations requiring all passenger cars and motorbikes
One thing not mentioned is the one difference between the three types of tyres,
Winter, Better Traction, Better stopping Distance, Better Roadholding.
Summer, Better Traction, Better Stopping Distance, Better Roadholding.
All Season, Better Traction, Better Stopping Distance, Better Roadholding.
The BMW with winter tyres can still drive like a prick, overtake everyone and cut in suddenly, what happens? the car he has just overtaken on all season tyres rear ends him and shunts him into the car in front with summer tyres. Result… + Same as now!
I am going to put my name forward for Scotlands Roads Ministers job 
Ross, are you still awake?
i tipped paris last week and there was a load in saint quentin for denmark so i took that and made my way north.
now as i left spain i was prepared to tip and then load for home but with the change i obviously had to transit germany. this means that i broke the law by not having the correct tyres but there is no option to just pull in and change 4 tyres at a cost of at least 1000euros rather pay the fine if stopped.
it might be a law but its still a stupid law in my opinion, i know its a safety thing but its just not practical is it?
unless you regularly drive in germany you can’t be expected to use snow tyres just in case you might go there
WBIS YES mate true , when you get home can you not ask your boss to get a set of M&S
TYRES WITH THE SNOWFLAKE SIGN and use these between the winter months as even
down by Lyon(F) and beyond it can be bad also THERE are many other country’s who have
this rule and also those like FRANCE who have it hidden in the small print about snow chains,
YOU can also get given points by the German police for non compliance
along with the fine ,
the only points i want in germany are on my loyalty card in vikingland autohof near flensburg
i’m sure a thousand points and i get a night with the fit young girl in the garage at least thats what my very bad german translates to
milodon:
gbtransp:
Just make sure the Dealer gives yoü the " Red plates" which Wheel Nut posted
Geoffwhy? its been a couple of years since the yellow plates where recognized EU-wide, nowadays you only need the red ones when exporting outside the EU, its an extra hundres euros or so.
The "Yellow plates " are only valid up to 5 days and are ment for the private person who wants to move a vehicle without a MOT or doing a test drive.
The “Red Plates” are valid from 14 days to 1 Year, the third party insurance costs for a unit between 50 and 450€ depending on how long the plates are valid. With red plates the German V5 is withdrawn and you get instead a “International Zulassungsschein” (international V5) without this you cannot in most countrys reregister the veh, you also had to pay road tax if the plates were issued for over 3 months, i have heard this has changed now and you have to pay road tax from day 1.
The costs for 14 days are about
Third Party insurance 50€
Number plates 40€
International V5 35€
Road Tax 20€
Some Dealers pay it, some dont
Geoff
Peter, calm down and use the forums to discuss the issues, it is not the first time you have posted things as law when they are advisory or suggested.
Before the law came out you were in a catch 22 situation,
If you had an accident on ice or snow, and you had sommer tyres on, you would get done for driving without due care and attention.
If you drove to slow obstructing other road users who have winter tyres ,you woüld get done for obstuction.
Another problem was with the insurance,after an accident the insurance would pay the third party but not yours if you had fully comp.
Let us say the car is on a 3 year lease with tyres included, will the leasing company provide new tyres from Gummimeister?
Yes!!! in Germany, Its in the leasing contract and you have to take the veh to a tyre dealer before the winter starts to check or fit them, and thats from the manufacter,because the the leasing company leases the tyres from the manufacter
Geoff
brit pete:
from VENLO to say OSTENDE if no hold ups say 5hrs
driving, it can also be less all depends on the traffic,
add say 1 hr more for Calais
Five hours driving from Venlo to Oostende and six hors driving to Calais. If that’s how long it’s going to take him he must have bought a right bag of nails.
Sunday, from the train to Asten which is about 30 minutes from Venlo was 3 hours 54 minutes. Today Asten to the train 4 hours 4 minutes, and that was with a hold up for an accident near Dunkerque.
Coffeeholic:
Five hours driving from Venlo to Oostende and six hors driving to Calais. If that’s how long it’s going to take him he must have bought a right bag of nails.
It’s old but (hopefully) not a “bag of nails”!! It’s a 1994 F16 500 which shouldn’t slow up too much on the mountains between Venlo & Calais 
Ross.
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bigr250:
Coffeeholic:
Five hours driving from Venlo to Oostende and six hors driving to Calais. If that’s how long it’s going to take him he must have bought a right bag of nails.It’s old but (hopefully) not a “bag of nails”!! It’s a 1994 F16 500 which shouldn’t slow up too much on the mountains between Venlo & Calais
Ross.
That looks tidy and I’m sure it will be able to do much better than Pete’s suggested times, which must be for a pedal car or something.