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Carryfast:

Winseer:

adam277:
Few decades ago being left and euro-sceptic was common place.
Some of the most prominent leftists did not want anything to do with the EU.

If people once believed it then they can believe it again. Hear Hear!
People who voted to leave the EU are not racist like the media make out. This is the biggest lie going on at the moment. I also think it is far more damaging then any lie the leave campaign did. Because it has divided our society.

The left need reminding that their most prominent members in the past were euro-sceptic and that this is not a bad thing.
Tony Benn for example he completely disagreed with the idea of the EU.
You will struggle to get more socialist than this guy.

Here is a quote from wiki from him about the EU.

Later in his diary, (25 October 1977) Benn wrote that he “loathed” the EEC; he claimed it was “bureaucratic and centralised” and “of course it is really dominated by Germany. All the Common Market countries except the UK have been occupied by Germany, and they have this mixed feeling of hatred and subservience towards the Germans”.

It’s just a shame that his son is nothing like him.

Yes indeed. I shared Benn senior’s dream of “nationalizing the banks”. As I’ve said before on here - I may be Right Wing on “Law and Order” - but I’m rather Left Wing on finance.
I also subscribe to the opinion that Denis Healey was the “Best Prime Minster that Labour never had”.

Remind us how old you were when Healey was Chancellor.You do know he was one of the rabid Labour Europhiles and closer to Blair than Benn.The rest is history in him and Callaghan and Jenkins between them handing the country over to the 4th Reich and effectively smashing the trade Union movement and then handing the country over to Thatcher to finish the job.On that note no Shore was the best PM we never had and arguably Heffer as Chancellor with Benn in his element doing trade and industry.On that note I’m guessing this is the type of Labour Politician that Adam 227 was referring to certainly not traitor closet Tory Healey.

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Not this Tory zb.'Things ‘we’ don’t like.Yeah right like cuts in public spending to pay for our EU net contributions and wage restraint for the already low paid.While prices went through the roof and jobs were transferred to Europe.

youtube.com/watch?v=RpKz54bxXuU

The “Winter of Discontent” that eventually led to the rise of Thatcher - was engineered by the Far Left Unions bringing the country to a standstill - all because they lost their dummy at Labour’s policy of “getting inflation down by capping wage rises” - something the Unions were NOT going to wear…

We’re back at that same point NOW I suspect, with an upcoming Train, Royal Mail, and other Unionized disruption such as at GMB @ ASDA at the one time of the year when strike action is effective: The Run-up to Christmas.

If we had left the EU by this point, then the only “Yuman Rights” that would have been infringed - were this perceived right that “demonstrators” seem to think they have in causing public disruption, that of course makes them NO friends among the very public they are trying to get the sympathies of…

Honestly - the biggest disruption we face in our time - isn’t “Brexit” - but rather everyone else’s resistance to not just Brexit, but our very own culture of “allowing minorities to become the new-age Tyranny”… Do we REALLY want to carry on being ruled by THIS tosh? :confused:

Let’s have some good-old-fashioned Law and Order back in place again, where the only ones who get arrested - are the criminals. The only ones likely to get hurt - are the authorities arresting the criminals and the criminals being arrested… The public are not losing money, making more emissions “diverting”, and finding it harder to go about their own daily lives in peace…

We don’t need “New Laws” made by “Old Lawmakers”. We just need our CURRENT laws enforced by NEW Lawmakers no longer afraid of some foreign power’s actions, should we “enforce too hard”. :angry: :imp:

I await the first case where a commuter, taxpaying member of the public formerlly “Minding their own business” gets hauled up in court for putting some upstart in hospital for completely buggering their life up for the last time… :frowning:

If you don’t want “more Austerity” then stop voting for parties that set it up in the first place (Labour, bailing out banks instead of the public in 2008)
If you don’t want more “Tory Cuts” - then stop voting for parties that have no interest in getting their hands on alternative forms of finance - like not handing billions per year over to the EU for “membership of a political club”. If you don’t want politicians wasting our taxpayer cash on their lies - then start voting for NEW people to come into office who are NOT “Career Politicians” before, and are unlikely to become them after - unless they do such a good job that it is WORTH keeping them in power, of course… :bulb:

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Winseer:

Carryfast:
Not this Tory zb.'Things ‘we’ don’t like.Yeah right like cuts in public spending to pay for our EU net contributions and wage restraint for the already low paid.While prices went through the roof and jobs were transferred to Europe.

youtube.com/watch?v=RpKz54bxXuU

The “Winter of Discontent” that eventually led to the rise of Thatcher - was engineered by the Far Left Unions bringing the country to a standstill - all because they lost their dummy at Labour’s policy of “getting inflation down by capping wage rises” - something the Unions were NOT going to wear

Let’s get this right you think that ‘wage’ restraint on the already low paid will fix PRICE LED inflation.As opposed to the wrong tool for the job and thereby crashing the economy.Or defending the wages of the already low paid in real terms is so called ‘hard left’.Remind us what happened to the economy after Thatcher’s election.Oh and which sector of the economy were you working in at the time.Here’s a clue.

youtube.com/watch?v=usYgf8cVfvU

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The wages of the lowest paid - are already propped up by Tax Credits.

The highly paid - can also get tax offsets to bring down their tax bills.

Those in the middle? Those earning between £25k and £35k? - Too high earnings to get benefits, but too low to have much left after paying an average sized mortgage on a starter home, the huge poll tax bill, the huge energy bills, and at best - static food bills.

Labour in the late 70’s - tried to do what Thatcher later enforced upon them ANYWAYS.

Now the Labour supporters have got the choice of either supporting Corbyn who’s supposed to be a Euro-hater, and many suspect actually WANTS a Hard Brexit to happen - OR Boris who’s also unable to promise Leave voters a Hard Brexit, let alone be allowed it by Politicians that Labour voters PUT into Westminster!

Hopefully, the election will wipe out the SNP, Libdems, and Plaid - but give Labour a net gain of ONE seat, and Boris Johnson a net gain of ONE seat - keeping them BOTH there, with their parties “turned over” around them by say, losing 37 seats to Brexit Party EACH - so they end up losing all their remainers… with their losses made back by taking seats off Plaid Cymru (4), Green (1), Libdems (14), SNP (35) and Independents (15) Tiggers (5)

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Ahh the dream of flushing the toilet, draining the swamp - or whatever you want to call it.

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We’d end up with the three main parties of Tories on 312 seats, Labour on 248, Brexit Party on 74, no upstart independents left, nor Green, Plaid, Libdem and SNP all wiped out by the main two parties patching up their losses from them. A concept I call “Knock-a-long Voting”.

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Winseer:
Labour in the late 70’s - tried to do what Thatcher later enforced upon them ANYWAYS.

Hopefully, the election will wipe out the SNP, Libdems, and Plaid - but give Labour a net gain of ONE seat, and Boris Johnson a net gain of ONE seat - keeping them BOTH there, with their parties “turned over” around them by say, losing 37 seats to Brexit Party EACH - so they end up losing all their remainers… with their losses made back by taking seats off Plaid Cymru (4), Green (1), Libdems (14), SNP (35) and Independents (15) Tiggers (5)
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Ahh the dream of flushing the toilet, draining the swamp - or whatever you want to call it.

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We’d end up with the three main parties of Tories on 312 seats, Labour on 248, Brexit Party on 74, no upstart independents left, nor Green, Plaid, Libdem and SNP all wiped out by the main two parties patching up their losses from them. A concept I call “Knock-a-long Voting”.

Which all goes pear shaped when you realise that Farage isn’t going to stand against Tory Remainers and Bojo is reportedly just swapping those supposedly de selected etc Remain Tory MP’s with different Remain Tory MP’s.The Labour vote isn’t stupid enough to vote for Farage’s muppet show under those circumstances.While it’s clear that this whole sham is all about delivering the Remain vote which the Referendum didn’t and the Remainers then claiming a mandate for BRINO/Revoke on the typical EU MO of keep voting until you get the right answer.The best/only way for the Leave vote to deal with that is to boycott the sham election thereby removing the credibility of that claim.If it doesn’t it will have no credibility for any other choice than to accept it.With the exception of pointing out the hypocrisy of the Remainers in voting in a Referendum that they thought they’d win then refused to recognise the result when the zb’s lost.

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Farage isn’t asking Labour voters to vote BP “to support Brexit” - he’s asking Labour voters if they want to get rid of the Illiberal Undemocrats, Cried Poomrie, Indedepents who don’t believe in an Independent Britain, North-of-Border Scots acting really stupid Party (NOBS-ARS), and of course Corbyn’s Cocked Chaos Production (CCCP :stuck_out_tongue: ) with their protest vote for Brexit Party!

I don’t think there’s much danger in the Brexit Vote in Scotland being split between Farage’s Brexit Party and “Scottish UKIP”… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Clockwork bloody orange - more like!

It is about time SNP got kicked into touch - for holding nearly every bloody seat in Scotland at one point - but then getting absolutely bugger-all done in over four years of having their commanding prescence both at Holyrood and Worstmonster

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Winseer:
Farage isn’t asking Labour voters to vote BP “to support Brexit” - he’s asking Labour voters if they want to get rid of the Illiberal Undemocrats, Cried Poomrie, Indedepents who don’t believe in an Independent Britain, North-of-Border Scots acting really stupid Party (NOBS-ARS), and of course Corbyn’s Cocked Chaos Production (CCCP :stuck_out_tongue: ) with their protest vote for Brexit Party!

I don’t think there’s much danger in the Brexit Vote in Scotland being split between Farage’s Brexit Party and “Scottish UKIP”… :stuck_out_tongue:
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Clockwork bloody orange - more like!

It is about time SNP got kicked into touch - for holding nearly every bloody seat in Scotland at one point - but then getting absolutely bugger-all done in over four years of having their commanding prescence both at Holyrood and Worstmonster

How can the Leave vote possibly create any swing away from the LibDems.If anything the LibDem vote will harden with Remainers seeing it as their best option to turn May’s BRINO into Revoke.

As for the SNP no the real problem is a system which gives less than 1 million Scottish votes 56 seats in parliament.

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Carryfast:
and the Remainers then claiming a mandate for BRINO/Revoke on the typical EU MO of keep voting until you get the right answer.The best/only way for the Leave vote to deal with that is to boycott the sham election thereby removing the credibility of that claim

Blairite Remainer responds: Woo-hoo! Yee-hah! Brexiteers boycott democracy! Remainers win! Power is ours again!

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Rjan:

Carryfast:
and the Remainers then claiming a mandate for BRINO/Revoke on the typical EU MO of keep voting until you get the right answer.The best/only way for the Leave vote to deal with that is to boycott the sham election thereby removing the credibility of that claim

Blairite Remainer responds: Woo-hoo! Yee-hah! Brexiteers boycott democracy! Remainers win! Power is ours again!

But it’s obviously not an issue of democracy at that point even if using it to justify treason ever was.

So Leave vote responds Remainers not recognising a Referendum vote,which they were happy to go along with,until they lost,isn’t democracy at all.We’ve actually boycotted an anti democratic process.In which the Leave vote was deliberately given no choice to vote for.All done on a constituency vote basis which gives Remain voters up to 56 seats in parliament for less than 1 million votes etc.

All as part of a conspiracy in which the EU has infiltrated our government system including using its quislings in our parliament to force two needless GE’s in the space of less than 4 years obviously all being part of its typical keep voting until you get the right answer MO.Because it lost an aggregate based vote under which all votes are equal.Feel free to shout democracy and power is ours under those circumstances.It doesn’t make it legitimate.It’s just the takeover of the country by a foreign power that it always was since Heath took us into it.An example of Soviet style government playing the bs Democracy card at its finest.On that note remind us what the DD stood for in DDR.That’s all your so called ‘democracy’ is worth in this case.

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Carryfast:

Winseer:
Farage isn’t asking Labour voters to vote BP “to support Brexit” - he’s asking Labour voters if they want to get rid of the Illiberal Undemocrats, Cried Poomrie, Indedepents who don’t believe in an Independent Britain, North-of-Border Scots acting really stupid Party (NOBS-ARS), and of course Corbyn’s Cocked Chaos Production (CCCP :stuck_out_tongue: ) with their protest vote for Brexit Party!

I don’t think there’s much danger in the Brexit Vote in Scotland being split between Farage’s Brexit Party and “Scottish UKIP”… :stuck_out_tongue:
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Clockwork bloody orange - more like!

It is about time SNP got kicked into touch - for holding nearly every bloody seat in Scotland at one point - but then getting absolutely bugger-all done in over four years of having their commanding prescence both at Holyrood and Worstmonster

How can the Leave vote possibly create any swing away from the LibDems.If anything the LibDem vote will harden with Remainers seeing it as their best option to turn May’s BRINO into Revoke.

As for the SNP no the real problem is a system which gives less than 1 million Scottish votes 56 seats in parliament.

Easy. The Leave vote will make hard labour voters think twice about voting libdem “tactically” to defeat Brexit on the spot. Thus, “panicing about Leave” makes people neglect the Libdems. “Panicing about Corbyn” in a similar way - makes Brexiteers “swing back to the Tories”… This means everything is set for BOTH main parties to tread water, whilst the “knocked on damage” ends up at the feet of the minor parties.

Why would people vote Libdem to defeat Brexit - with the Libdems seemingly having “no other policies” at present?
Why would people vote Labour to deliver Brexit, or deliver Remain come to that?
Why would people vote Conservative for a crappy lukewarm deal - when the moment the Tories are back in again, the ERG will vote DOWN Boris’ deal, returning Parliament to the “deadlocked” situation, with the Remainers refusing to let any “no Deal” go through…

We’ve all got a choice: Vote along normal party lines to get “more of the same”, OR vote Brexit Party to “make a difference for Leave”, with a vote for Libdems “making a difference for Remain”.
It is designed to tie us all up in knots of course, and I reckon the areas that most desperately WANT to vote Brexit Party - will be all the places a BP candidate - now doesn’t stand.

Boris - looks like leaving only the unwinnable seats like Liverpool - to Farage.

If I were Farage - I’d go back to square one, and field all 600… But the close is already in, and we would have heard by now if there were any “surpise declarations”… :unamused:

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All media efforts seem to be trying to bull us into thinking that this election result is “going to be close” and “all about the marginals”…

I suspect the exact opposite.

If I’m wrong - then we will have a six way hung parliament.
If I’m right - we’ll have polarization at Westminster, with the Libdems and SNP in particular - going the same way as the Brexit Party.

Think about it: If Corbyn surges - it MUST be at the expense of the Libdems and SNP rather than Labour winning any seats at all off the Conservatives, other than those few marginals that Labour hold with the Tories in second in 2017…

If Corbyn really IS snapping at Bullingdon’s heels - then where’s he getting the votes from otherwise?

The Conservatives - are only ahead, because they’ve managed to get Farage to stand aside, but making the possible fatal assumption that “One vote less for Brexit Party = One more vote for the Tories”.

Out of every 4 “would have voted for Brexit Party” voters out there…

I can actually see One switching to vote Tory, One switching to vote Labour (where they came from to start with…) and one “staying at home.”

That means a shift of say 12,000 votes for BP being “re-distributed” on pollling day - is at best - going to make the Tories surge by around 4000 votes - and LABOUR around the SAME, cancelling any advantage.

SO… This election is all about “How many seats Brexit Party now DON’T win” I suggest.

Since they are expected to win zippo in the betting markets - they can’t very well “under-perform” - can they?

What of the Libdems and SNP though?

What’s the point of EITHER party AFTER this election, with Brexit either cancelled or done?

People might switch “out” of voting Libdem and SNP - just to end the parliametary deadlock, rather than out of loyalty to party or Brexit…

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Winseer:
All media efforts seem to be trying to bull us into thinking that this election result is “going to be close” and “all about the marginals”…

I suspect the exact opposite.

If I’m wrong - then we will have a six way hung parliament.
If I’m right - we’ll have polarization at Westminster, with the Libdems and SNP in particular - going the same way as the Brexit Party.

Think about it: If Corbyn surges - it MUST be at the expense of the Libdems and SNP rather than Labour winning any seats at all off the Conservatives, other than those few marginals that Labour hold with the Tories in second in 2017…

If Corbyn really IS snapping at Bullingdon’s heels - then where’s he getting the votes from otherwise?

The Conservatives - are only ahead, because they’ve managed to get Farage to stand aside, but making the possible fatal assumption that “One vote less for Brexit Party = One more vote for the Tories”.

Out of every 4 “would have voted for Brexit Party” voters out there…

I can actually see One switching to vote Tory, One switching to vote Labour (where they came from to start with…) and one “staying at home.”

That means a shift of say 12,000 votes for BP being “re-distributed” on pollling day - is at best - going to make the Tories surge by around 4000 votes - and LABOUR around the SAME, cancelling any advantage.

SO… This election is all about “How many seats Brexit Party now DON’T win” I suggest.

Since they are expected to win zippo in the betting markets - they can’t very well “under-perform” - can they?

What of the Libdems and SNP though?

What’s the point of EITHER party AFTER this election, with Brexit either cancelled or done?

People might switch “out” of voting Libdem and SNP - just to end the parliametary deadlock, rather than out of loyalty to party or Brexit…

This election will be about how many Tory Remainers will vote LibDem.
How many UKIP voters ( at least 4 m ) will stay at home.
How many Leave voters in general will stay at home,rather than voting for May’s BRINO and thereby voiding/trashing the referendum result.
Also how many of the Leave vote will go back to Labour on the same basis and not wanting to give the Tories carte blanche regardless.
Obviously no change in the SNP vote.
The NI vote are just a bunch of contrary pro UK and/or pro EU muppets so no change there.
Can the result even be trusted not to be crippled by massive ballot rigging.
How big will the collapse in turnout be.Both real and a result of such rigging.
Bearing in mind Corbyn is 4/5 at the bookies.

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This election has been cast into the fiery pit of literally anything could happen.

Boris the Clown was intransigent regarding a deal with TBP not to tread on each other’s toes, he’s proved after neither producing Brexit by 31st Oct or dying in a ditch that he can’t be trusted, typical bloody Tory, their word once again means bugger all, couldn’t trust the sods to tell you the time.

Farage misread this and by pulling his candidates out of all Tory strongholds has just poured 15000 gallons of cold water on the fuses that he’d previously lit, those otherwise BP voters now denied a vote for a real Brexit (again) are not impressed, those like me in safe Tory seats are now just as likely to now go out and vote for Corbyn’s rabble to smite those smug ‘‘born to rule old boy’’ tories where it hurts by denying them power, yes i really am that ■■■■■■ off, the people who are scared of Corbyn are dyed in the wool Tories with bank accounts in 6 and 7 figures, so if i can do my bit to ensure the tory anti democrats get the very last thing they want by God i’ll do it, the Tories denied us Brexit end of, and have no real intention of delivering a real exit ever and they haven’t yet been punished for it, watch this space.

Those in once safe Labour seats may well have voted BP, but seeing Farage kneeling before Johnson’s two faced mob, effectively saying here Boris have it with knobs on, i would say those patriot Labourites who would have voted BP for the good of the country will instead go down the bloody pub, and i don’t blame them one bit.

Once again Farage is going to ■■■■■■ defeat when he had victory in his grasp, no not suggesting BP could have won a majority, but with a BP candidate in every seat, he would have called Boris’s bluff and he would have had to go into the election on a no deal ticket or face the complete destruction of the Tory party…not bothered if Corbyn and his mates Jo and wee Jimmy Krankie form a govt of disunity this time, the tories would have been utterly destroyed, something that should have happened 25 years ago.

We arn’t getting a real Brexit from any of the current parties in the house, save for the once again betrayed DUP, and i bet they wish they’d not got into bed with May last time, and let the tories rot then, if the tory party dies at long last then something genuinely conservative can rise and set about conserving whats left of the country, and simply take us out as the country decided nearly 4 years ago.

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Juddian:
This election has been cast into the fiery pit of literally anything could happen.

Boris the Clown was intransigent regarding a deal with TBP not to tread on each other’s toes, he’s proved after neither producing Brexit by 31st Oct or dying in a ditch that he can’t be trusted, typical bloody Tory, their word once again means bugger all, couldn’t trust the sods to tell you the time.

Farage misread this and by pulling his candidates out of all Tory strongholds has just poured 15000 gallons of cold water on the fuses that he’d previously lit, those otherwise BP voters now denied a vote for a real Brexit (again) are not impressed, those like me in safe Tory seats are now just as likely to now go out and vote for Corbyn’s rabble to smite those smug ‘‘born to rule old boy’’ tories where it hurts by denying them power, yes i really am that ■■■■■■ off, the people who are scared of Corbyn are dyed in the wool Tories with bank accounts in 6 and 7 figures, so if i can do my bit to ensure the tory anti democrats get the very last thing they want by God i’ll do it, the Tories denied us Brexit end of, and have no real intention of delivering a real exit ever and they haven’t yet been punished for it, watch this space.

Those in once safe Labour seats may well have voted BP, but seeing Farage kneeling before Johnson’s two faced mob, effectively saying here Boris have it with knobs on, i would say those patriot Labourites who would have voted BP for the good of the country will instead go down the bloody pub, and i don’t blame them one bit.

Once again Farage is going to ■■■■■■ defeat when he had victory in his grasp, no not suggesting BP could have won a majority, but with a BP candidate in every seat, he would have called Boris’s bluff and he would have had to go into the election on a no deal ticket or face the complete destruction of the Tory party…not bothered if Corbyn and his mates Jo and wee Jimmy Krankie form a govt of disunity this time, the tories would have been utterly destroyed, something that should have happened 25 years ago.

We arn’t getting a real Brexit from any of the current parties in the house, save for the once again betrayed DUP, and i bet they wish they’d not got into bed with May last time, and let the tories rot then, if the tory party dies at long last then something genuinely conservative can rise and set about conserving whats left of the country, and simply take us out as the country decided nearly 4 years ago.

Farage didn’t misread this just like telling the Leave vote to trust May in 2017 he intended it.It’s the Tories who’ve misread the type of logic which says either boycott on the basis of don’t give this sham the credibility of allowing it to turn over the Referendum result,which is what I’ll do.

Or vote for Corbyn to spite them.

The problem being the Tory double cross that they are as happy to allow Corbyn in to spite the Leave vote as the Leave vote might be in allowing Corbyn in to spite the Tories.Bearing in mind that the Tories were happy to vote with Labour MP’s to derail Brexit only a matter of weeks ago.

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Carryfast:

Winseer:
All media efforts seem to be trying to bull us into thinking that this election result is “going to be close” and “all about the marginals”…

I suspect the exact opposite.

If I’m wrong - then we will have a six way hung parliament.
If I’m right - we’ll have polarization at Westminster, with the Libdems and SNP in particular - going the same way as the Brexit Party.

Think about it: If Corbyn surges - it MUST be at the expense of the Libdems and SNP rather than Labour winning any seats at all off the Conservatives, other than those few marginals that Labour hold with the Tories in second in 2017…

If Corbyn really IS snapping at Bullingdon’s heels - then where’s he getting the votes from otherwise?

The Conservatives - are only ahead, because they’ve managed to get Farage to stand aside, but making the possible fatal assumption that “One vote less for Brexit Party = One more vote for the Tories”.

Out of every 4 “would have voted for Brexit Party” voters out there…

I can actually see One switching to vote Tory, One switching to vote Labour (where they came from to start with…) and one “staying at home.”

That means a shift of say 12,000 votes for BP being “re-distributed” on pollling day - is at best - going to make the Tories surge by around 4000 votes - and LABOUR around the SAME, cancelling any advantage.

SO… This election is all about “How many seats Brexit Party now DON’T win” I suggest.

Since they are expected to win zippo in the betting markets - they can’t very well “under-perform” - can they?

What of the Libdems and SNP though?

What’s the point of EITHER party AFTER this election, with Brexit either cancelled or done?

People might switch “out” of voting Libdem and SNP - just to end the parliametary deadlock, rather than out of loyalty to party or Brexit…

This election will be about how many Tory Remainers will vote LibDem. I suspect Tory Remainers will stay on board with Boris. He’s made a lot of effort to keep ‘em after all.
How many UKIP voters ( at least 4 m ) will stay at home. The UKIP vote is already <500k. 3.5m went over to Corbyn in 2017 by the looks of what was expected of Corbyn four weeks before polling day…
How many Leave voters in general will stay at home,rather than voting for May’s BRINO and thereby voiding/trashing the referendum result. May’s Brino/Boris’ crappy deal - will depend upon the size of the Conservative Majority, odds on, and expected… A larger majority slightly improves the chances of no deal, as the ERG might decide to vote AGAINST it second time around.
Also how many of the Leave vote will go back to Labour on the same basis and not wanting to give the Tories carte blanche regardless. The Leave vote was about to leave Labour for Brexit Party - BUT they might think twice about it, now that BP are only standing in Labour-chance seats… Standing down BP I suspect helps Corbyn out more than it helps Boris, actually…
Obviously no change in the SNP vote. I wonder if the minority scots that voted Brexit - will come out and vote this time? If the SNP DOES stay the same as you suggest - Swinson is gonna be in trouble - ain’t she?
The NI vote are just a bunch of contrary pro UK and/or pro EU muppets so no change there. I suspect the DUP and Sinn Fein will switch positions, seat-tally wise…
Can the result even be trusted not to be crippled by massive ballot rigging.
How big will the collapse in turnout be.Both real and a result of such rigging. I hope turnout is high, because if it isn’t - there will ALWAYS be accusations of “ballot boxes going missing” - like at the Peterborough by-election… Expected turnout in this “Brexit Party long-odds-on to must-win seat” - down from 72% to only 48%… Destroy one ballot box with 10,000 counted votes for BP in it - and the turnout goes EXACTLY from 72% down to 48%… Ahh but that’s only considered a conspiracy theory of course… Much harder to pull off - in ALL seats at ONCE.
Bearing in mind Corbyn is 4/5 at the bookies.

He’s actually 5/1 against - and that’s “Betting without Boris”. Betfair Exchange | Best Odds Online, Back and Lay Betting

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Juddian:
This election has been cast into the fiery pit of literally anything could happen.

Boris the Clown was intransigent regarding a deal with TBP not to tread on each other’s toes, he’s proved after neither producing Brexit by 31st Oct or dying in a ditch that he can’t be trusted, typical bloody Tory, their word once again means bugger all, couldn’t trust the sods to tell you the time.

Farage misread this and by pulling his candidates out of all Tory strongholds has just poured 15000 gallons of cold water on the fuses that he’d previously lit, those otherwise BP voters now denied a vote for a real Brexit (again) are not impressed, those like me in safe Tory seats are now just as likely to now go out and vote for Corbyn’s rabble to smite those smug ‘‘born to rule old boy’’ tories where it hurts by denying them power, yes i really am that ■■■■■■ off, the people who are scared of Corbyn are dyed in the wool Tories with bank accounts in 6 and 7 figures, so if i can do my bit to ensure the tory anti democrats get the very last thing they want by God i’ll do it, the Tories denied us Brexit end of, and have no real intention of delivering a real exit ever and they haven’t yet been punished for it, watch this space.

Those in once safe Labour seats may well have voted BP, but seeing Farage kneeling before Johnson’s two faced mob, effectively saying here Boris have it with knobs on, i would say those patriot Labourites who would have voted BP for the good of the country will instead go down the bloody pub, and i don’t blame them one bit.

Once again Farage is going to ■■■■■■ defeat when he had victory in his grasp, no not suggesting BP could have won a majority, but with a BP candidate in every seat, he would have called Boris’s bluff and he would have had to go into the election on a no deal ticket or face the complete destruction of the Tory party…not bothered if Corbyn and his mates Jo and wee Jimmy Krankie form a govt of disunity this time, the tories would have been utterly destroyed, something that should have happened 25 years ago.

We arn’t getting a real Brexit from any of the current parties in the house, save for the once again betrayed DUP, and i bet they wish they’d not got into bed with May last time, and let the tories rot then, if the tory party dies at long last then something genuinely conservative can rise and set about conserving whats left of the country, and simply take us out as the country decided nearly 4 years ago.

I’m denied voting for BP in my own ward, with my safe seat Tory incumbent being a Remainer, as are the adjacent MPs in the area. :frowning:
I’d vote Independent, but there aren’t any standing! :frowning: :frowning:
I can’t bring myself to vote Green, Labour, or Libdem as Remainer parties. :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:
If I hold my nose for the second time and reluctantly vote for the Tory Remainer then - how will I feel if either Brexit gets cancelled, or Boris’ deal goes through as-is, just in time for the next economic downturn “sans-Brexit Dividend” to be blamed entirely upon Brexit? :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

Farage - will regrent “backing off”, arrogant in thinking that each BP vote “taken back” goes 100% back to the Tories… Farage acting as a Tory then.
I don’t believe it does. I suspect out of every four intended BP votes, now “not possible” - TWO will go back to Labour, One won’t vote, and One will vote Tory.
That means in a seat like mine where the Tory incumbent is nearly 10,000 votes ahead of Labour in second as of 2017…
BP standing would take 2 votes off Labour, 1 vote off the Tories, and 1 vote from someone who’s never voted before - to easily put them past BOTH the other main party candidates - OR fall short, and leave the incumbent safely in front, more damage being done to the Labour total than the Tory total.

Boris’ deal is rubbish. We are now at his mercy if, for any reason - he now puts it through unapposed, sans-Brexit Dividend as it will be.
Dunno if that £39billion still gets paid or not…?
We’re still gonna be paying contributions for at least another year @ a billion per month.
If the “trade deal” ain’t done by December 31st 2020 - the same arguments to “extend yet again” so the EU can squeeze even MORE money out of us “nothing done, and no incentive to GET it done”.

A year from now - I might be up for dropping the f—ng bomb on Brussels & Strasbourg - and go for the REAL “Hardest Brexit of All”. :angry:

FFS - We didn’t have this much hassle breaking off trade routes with Germany in September 1939 - did we? :imp:

All in all, Boris “without the Brexit Dividend” is going to have as much money to spend as Corbyn: NONE - except what can be borrowed from Banks, China, and the EU - and/or raise direct taxation of course.

We’ve not even heard Boris talk resoundingly against this ■■■■-and-bull story of “Man Made Climate Change”. - and how much it will cost any country that chooses to needlessly bow down and worship the Jolly Green Giant of BS. :unamused:

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Juddian:
This election has been cast into the fiery pit of literally anything could happen.

Boris the Clown was intransigent regarding a deal with TBP not to tread on each other’s toes, he’s proved after neither producing Brexit by 31st Oct or dying in a ditch that he can’t be trusted, typical bloody Tory, their word once again means bugger all, couldn’t trust the sods to tell you the time. Agree.

Farage misread this and by pulling his candidates out of all Tory strongholds has just poured 15000 gallons of cold water on the fuses that he’d previously lit, those otherwise BP voters now denied a vote for a real Brexit (again) are not impressed, those like me in safe Tory seats are now just as likely to now go out and vote for Corbyn’s rabble to smite those smug ‘‘born to rule old boy’’ tories where it hurts by denying them power, yes i really am that ■■■■■■ off, the people who are scared of Corbyn are dyed in the wool Tories with bank accounts in 6 and 7 figures, so if i can do my bit to ensure the tory anti democrats get the very last thing they want by God i’ll do it, the Tories denied us Brexit end of, and have no real intention of delivering a real exit ever and they haven’t yet been punished for it, watch this space. Agree.

Those in once safe Labour seats may well have voted BP, but seeing Farage kneeling before Johnson’s two faced mob, effectively saying here Boris have it with knobs on, i would say those patriot Labourites who would have voted BP for the good of the country will instead go down the bloody pub, and i don’t blame them one bit. Strongly agree.

Once again Farage is going to ■■■■■■ defeat when he had victory in his grasp, no not suggesting BP could have won a majority, but with a BP candidate in every seat, he would have called Boris’s bluff and he would have had to go into the election on a no deal ticket or face the complete destruction of the Tory party…not bothered if Corbyn and his mates Jo and wee Jimmy Krankie form a govt of disunity this time, the tories would have been utterly destroyed, something that should have happened 25 years ago. Both parties - should have been left behind in the 20th century, along with “Left/Right politics”.

We arn’t getting a real Brexit from any of the current parties in the house, save for the once again betrayed DUP, and i bet they wish they’d not got into bed with May last time, and let the tories rot then, if the tory party dies at long last then something genuinely conservative can rise and set about conserving whats left of the country, and simply take us out as the country decided nearly 4 years ago.

All in all, makes us wonder if Boris and Farage are the EU’s last line of defence. The EU don’t want Corbyn as PM, as they seem him as an extremist.

Some other comments on a different board about it (read-only, but you get the gist) Whoops! Browser Settings Incompatible

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I suspect that support for Corbyn is much higher than we’ve been led to believe.

I’ve not seen a sniff of the 40-1 about Corbyn winning 250-299 seats like last time at “four weeks to go” point.

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Winseer:

Carryfast:
Bearing in mind Corbyn is 4/5 at the bookies.

He’s actually 5/1 against - and that’s “Betting without Boris”. Betfair Exchange | Best Odds Online, Back and Lay Betting

Don’t know how I found that figure or where they got it from but another check shows Lab at 12/1 :open_mouth: :confused: which I might just put £50 on.
As for me it’s definitely stay at home or possibly just effectively spoil the ballot paper with English Democrats whether they are standing or not.While a vote for Lab/LibDem/Con or even controlled opposition Farage is just an admission that the referendum result is now void and for more of the same treachery since Heath.

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Carryfast:

Winseer:

Carryfast:
Bearing in mind Corbyn is 4/5 at the bookies.

He’s actually 5/1 against - and that’s “Betting without Boris”. Betfair Exchange | Best Odds Online, Back and Lay Betting

Don’t know how I found that figure or where they got it from but another check shows Lab at 12/1 :open_mouth: :confused: which I might just put £50 on.
As for me it’s definitely stay at home or possibly just effectively spoil the ballot paper with English Democrats whether they are standing or not.While a vote for Lab/LibDem/Con or even controlled opposition Farage is just an admission that the referendum result is now void and for more of the same treachery since Heath.

It is easily possible to get your betting markets mixed up - IF you’re not a regular punter.

The links I’ve given have other clickables that’ll send you to other markets involving Corbyn.

My current bets in-play at this time are:

Tenner on Starmer to be the next leader of the Labour party @ 12-1.
£1 on the Tories to take Swinson’s seat off her @ 50-1
£1 on Anne Milton (Independent) to win Guildford seat @ 16-1
£1 on Brexit Party to take Putney seat @ 100-1
£1 on Brexit Party to take Dagenham & Rainham seat @ 20-1
£1 on the next government being a Con/Brexit Party coalition @ 16-1
£1 on the next government being a Lab/Brexit Party coalition @ 100-1
£1 on Turnout at this election being 75%+ @ 12-1
£1 on the SNP to win less than 30 seats @ 16-1
£3 on Brexit to be done by the end of this year @ 5-1 (Put on months ago, not looking good this one… Price now 66-1)
£3 on Shaun Bailey to be the next London Mayor @ 16-1

…and still watching and waiting for a “value price” about the number of seats Brexit Party/Labour/Tory/Libdem win in this coming election. Looking for something 33-1 or better in price, like last election’s 40-1 about Corbyn winning 250-299 seats when he was expected to lose 100-150 at that moment, four weeks before the election… Pretty much as he is NOW actually, except I cannot get on at anywhere near that price this time around… Yet!
Never let sentiment get in the way of a good bet. I voted Tory in 2017, Supported Farage, and bet on Labour. Go figure!!

Those that know me - are fully aware that I tend to bet small amounts at big prices as a matter of principle. :slight_smile:

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Corbyn, according to THIS website - is now 3-1 to be the next PM, Labour are 12-1 to win the most seats, and Labour are 33-1 to win an outright majority.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics
I’m buggered if I can see how Corbyn can be a shorter price to be PM than Labour are to “win the election” though■■?

I can’t see a situation where the result is something like Tories and Labour “tie” on 280, and the Tories reluctantly make Corbyn PM rather than go into coalition with Brexit Party - because they got zero seats, all thanks to their insistance that BP win “no seats, never ever”… Nice one Boris - if this apparently “too short price for Corbyn” is actually justified!!

…Of course, it could always be a “mug bet” designed to entrap the Labour betting crowd that don’t realize that Corbyn’s price should be at least the same as “Labour’s chance of winning a majority” - i.e. 33/1 against at this time… :open_mouth: