What could possibly go wrong! 
drover:
What could possibly go wrong!Bristol wine packaging company leading way with all-electric HGVs in industry first - Bristol Live
Not a lot. Electric cars pre-date ICE ones and once upon a time in the early 20th century there were many more EVs than petrol/diesel cars. The technology is well proven, Teslas are doing well over 100,000 miles on the original batteries and retaining 85% of original capacity with many used as Ubers racking up 200,000, 300,000 miles or more, runs will be planned to take into account range and charging options. Given its a DAF if anything the simplified electronics should mean less DAF dashboard bingo.
Yes but it’s a DAF 
DAF are on the ball to limit the damage when the new heavy duty vehicle emission regs are applied in 2025. There are stiff penalties for all truck manufacturers if they miss their targets. Have a gander at this Ouch! I can see some going out of business with these fines as some independent emission testers are finding some brand new long distance type trucks to have emissions over 10% higher than their official limits.
transportenvironment.org/di … oad-tests/
“Apply financial penalties in case of non-compliance with the CO2 targets. The level of the penalties is set to 4,250 euro per gCO2/tkm in 2025 and 6,800 euro per gCO2/tkm in 2030.”
ec.europa.eu/clima/eu-action/tr … ehicles_en
Renault have joined the electric truck business too with two new models out. commercialfleet.org/news/tr … nd-range-e
So what’s the range 100miles? Then park up for several hours to recharge?
Not arguing transport needs to move with the times but this isn’t practical on any type of scale
merc0447:
So what’s the range 100miles? Then park up for several hours to recharge? [emoji38]Not arguing transport needs to move with the times but this isn’t practical on any type of scale
According to Daf the range is 200km and a full recharge takes 75 minutes. Pretty much perfect for an awful lot of supermarket style distribution work I would think?
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Roymondo:
[According to Daf the range is 200km and a full recharge takes 75 minutes. Pretty much perfect for an awful lot of supermarket style distribution work I would think?
Yep. All that needs to happen now is supermarket RDCs to put in charge points. I suspect though it’ll only happen when they’re left with no other choice and a week before the deadline where they have to have it done.
Conor:
Roymondo:
[According to Daf the range is 200km and a full recharge takes 75 minutes. Pretty much perfect for an awful lot of supermarket style distribution work I would think?Yep. All that needs to happen now is supermarket RDCs to put in charge points. I suspect though it’ll only happen when they’re left with no other choice and a week before the deadline where they have to have it done.
You might be surprised. Our lot have already decreed that all company cars have to be full electric. The story linked in the OP is one small company but Tesco have already said they are aiming to have a fully electric fleet by 2028 - they’ve started in a small way with a dedicated operation in S Wales moving goods between Cardiff and Magor.
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Conor:
Roymondo:
[According to Daf the range is 200km and a full recharge takes 75 minutes. Pretty much perfect for an awful lot of supermarket style distribution work I would think?Yep. All that needs to happen now is supermarket RDCs to put in charge points. I suspect though it’ll only happen when they’re left with no other choice and a week before the deadline where they have to have it done.
^^^This^^^ The truck manufacturers have known this day was coming way back in 2015 when these Euro cat emission standards were laid out from 2015 to 2030 & they’re now just running around like headless chickens. Those proposed fines for missing heavy duty vehicle emission targets are HUGE, In 2021 when private cars had to have a limit of just 95g/km (except luxury car makers like Mercedes, BMW Bentley, Rolls Royce who were allowed a higher limit because they traditionally made big cars) to meet the Euro cat 6 limit only a single manufacturer got below it (Mitsubishi) and it cost the other manufacturers €billions in fines, Hence all the hybrid PHEV compliance models brought out since then to lower their overall fleet emissions . The trucks are up against fines of €4,250 per gCO2/tkm in 2025 and €6,800 per gCO2/tkm There is no way on earth some of the main truck manufacturers are going to meet those limits at this late stage of the game.
What you have to understand about leccy vehicles is that they come with “regenerative braking”, so every time you brake you charge the battery. This is why they’re perfect for urban work, but not so much for distance.
Example: I test drove Volvo’s Electric FL last autumn, laden. We set off with 180-ish kms range in the “tank”, drove around for three hours, then parked up with 160-ish km.
Another, same vehicle: We joined the M42 with 120km range, drove a couple of junctions at 56mph, came off with 85-ish km. By the time we’d gone into Coventry and done one lap of the inner ring road, we were back up to 120km.
Leccy range is a completely different concept to fuel tank range, basically. It’s not comparing like with like. There are lots of things we’ll have to learn as we move to non-ICE vehicles, and this change in mindset is one of them.
Be ok if every distribution centre or loading bay had a charger built in.
But can you imagine the health and safety that would involve just to plug a cable in. The pointy shoes would have a field day
edd1974:
Be ok if every distribution centre or loading bay had a charger built in.
But can you imagine the health and safety that would involve just to plug a cable in. The pointy shoes would have a field day
Nowhere near as potentially dangerous as pouring gallons of volatile, flammable liquid into a fuel tank, yet (most) firms seem comfortable with their staff doing it without full hazchem fireproof suits.
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edd1974:
Be ok if every distribution centre or loading bay had a charger built in.
There will…
HAVE to be a fail-safe to stop drivers pulling away with the cable still plugged in.
Remember, if it can be ■■■■ up, rest assured, we’ll ■■■■ it up.
Don’t paint them black and yellow, that just seems to draw us into things like a moth to a flame.
Roymondo:
edd1974:
Be ok if every distribution centre or loading bay had a charger built in.
But can you imagine the health and safety that would involve just to plug a cable in. The pointy shoes would have a field dayNowhere near as potentially dangerous as pouring gallons of volatile, flammable liquid into a fuel tank, yet (most) firms seem comfortable with their staff doing it without full hazchem fireproof suits.
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What are you filling tanks with? Most of us use diesel, which is neither volatile or flammable, at least not under the definition set out by ADR regs
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They’re not exactly going to be ready for the transition to electric trucks any time soon either! " Current IMI analysis suggests that just 3% of HGV technicians are trained to work on vehicles with high voltage systems." 
commercialfleet.org/news/tr … ge-systems
Conor:
drover:
What could possibly go wrong!Bristol wine packaging company leading way with all-electric HGVs in industry first - Bristol Live
Not a lot. Electric cars pre-date ICE ones and once upon a time in the early 20th century there were many more EVs than petrol/diesel cars. The technology is well proven, Teslas are doing well over 100,000 miles on the original batteries and retaining 85% of original capacity with many used as Ubers racking up 200,000, 300,000 miles or more, runs will be planned to take into account range and charging options. Given its a DAF if anything the simplified electronics should mean less DAF dashboard bingo.
But it dependson how you recharge your vehicle, if you charge it with the battery 80% full the batteries will last a lot longer then if you charge at 10%.
Most Telsas are not high millage vehicles so get recharged regularly.
Roymondo:
Conor:
Roymondo:
[According to Daf the range is 200km and a full recharge takes 75 minutes. Pretty much perfect for an awful lot of supermarket style distribution work I would think?Yep. All that needs to happen now is supermarket RDCs to put in charge points. I suspect though it’ll only happen when they’re left with no other choice and a week before the deadline where they have to have it done.
You might be surprised. Our lot have already decreed that all company cars have to be full electric. The story linked in the OP is one small company but Tesco have already said they are aiming to have a fully electric fleet by 2028 - they’ve started in a small way with a dedicated operation in S Wales moving goods between Cardiff and Magor.
I was working for Tesco many years ago and they had vehicles that were using alternative fuels, gas I think and they had similar ambitions, that was 15 years ago.
lancpudn:
except luxury car makers like Mercedes, BMW Bentley, Rolls Royce who were allowed a higher limit because they traditionally made big cars .
I can’t find anything about this, can you provide a link please!
A possible solution could be to have battery pack changing stations.
If the battery pack was replaceable like forklift batteries, you could pull in swap batteries and be on your way in a few minutes with a fully charged battery…in theory, but then again we should all be driving flying cars by now 
Macski:
lancpudn:
except luxury car makers like Mercedes, BMW Bentley, Rolls Royce who were allowed a higher limit because they traditionally made big cars .I can’t find anything about this, can you provide a link please!
I doubt I could find it now, The article I read back in 2020 showed a graph of all car manufacturers who failed to get under the 95g/km fleet emission limit, It showed what their fleet emission limits were & the car makers I mentioned had a higher limit than popular mass car makers.