thehairyarsedtrucker:
A possible solution could be to have battery pack changing stations.
If the battery pack was replaceable like forklift batteries, you could pull in swap batteries and be on your way in a few minutes with a fully charged battery…in theory, but then again we should all be driving flying cars by now 
Geely have a battery swap station system out now for cement mixers in China, The pack is lifted up by a gantry crane & a new 3.2 ton pack replaced in 5 minutes from start to finish in the video in this link. vnexplorer.net/geely-is-rolling … 92615.html
lancpudn:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
A possible solution could be to have battery pack changing stations.
If the battery pack was replaceable like forklift batteries, you could pull in swap batteries and be on your way in a few minutes with a fully charged battery…in theory, but then again we should all be driving flying cars by now
Geely have a battery swap station system out now for cement mixers in China, The pack is lifted up by a gantry crane & a new 3.2 ton pack replaced in 5 minutes from start to finish in the video in this link. vnexplorer.net/geely-is-rolling … 92615.html
Those pesky Chinese have stolen my idea already…can I claim copyright ?
An EV manufacturer in China (Nio) already has a network of battery-swap stations for their cars in and around Shanghai and on major highways on the Eastern side of the country. The battery swap process is entirely automated - car is driven into the bay (by a human). The mechanism then adjusts the position of the car, lifts it, releases the battery and drops it out. Then slots a fresh one in. All operated via a mobile App. Takes about three minutes…
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Roymondo:
An EV manufacturer in China (Nio) already has a network of battery-swap stations for their cars in and around Shanghai and on major highways on the Eastern side of the country. The battery swap process is entirely automated - car is driven into the bay (by a human). The mechanism then adjusts the position of the car, lifts it, releases the battery and drops it out. Then slots a fresh one in. All operated via a mobile App. Takes about three minutes…
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Yeah I’ve been reading about NIO swap stations, The beauty of that system is the price of the car is lower as you’re not buying the battery pack just leasing it, The monthly payments vary as to what size of battery pack you need, if you only need a smaller pack for that particular week/month you just pay for the smaller sized pack instead of dragging around a huge battery pack, They can be charged normally too. They’re recently been given the go-ahead to open up showrooms in five countries in Europe.
techwireasia.com/2021/12/chines … countries/
SAIC Group’s Feifan Auto, previously known as R Auto, today officially unveiled its new R7 model, becoming the second carmaker after NIO to offer a battery swap-enabled model for the general consumers.
Same company that owns MG Roewe and Maxxus are already starting to produce battery swappable vehicles as well.
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Amazon has just acquired 5 DAF CF all electric trucks split between their Tilbury & Milton Keynes depots that have charging infrastructure at those depots. edie.net/news/13/Amazon-lau … GVs-in-UK/
All electric trucks are perfectly viable for in house operations like supermarket work & medium distance depot-depot trunking. A supermarket for instance could have charging points at the depot & at the stores, it’d work perfectly fine.
As for the hire & reward sector of general haulage etc. it’s a much more difficult transition and I suspect we will see diesel powered trucks on the roads for a long time yet, even if its in a reduced capacity.
edd1974:
Be ok if every distribution centre or loading bay had a charger built in.
But can you imagine the health and safety that would involve just to plug a cable in. The pointy shoes would have a field day
A great many do, for fridges
rob22888:
All electric trucks are perfectly viable for in house operations like supermarket work & medium distance depot-depot trunking. A supermarket for instance could have charging points at the depot & at the stores, it’d work perfectly fine.
As for the hire & reward sector of general haulage etc. it’s a much more difficult transition and I suspect we will see diesel powered trucks on the roads for a long time yet, even if its in a reduced capacity.
Agreed. Particularly for applications such as tippers and bulk blowers where you don’t just need power to keep the wheels turning.
lancpudn:
Amazon has just acquired 5 DAF CF all electric trucks split between their Tilbury & Milton Keynes depots that have charging infrastructure at those depots. edie.net/news/13/Amazon-lau … GVs-in-UK/
Odd they’re claiming these lorries as their own as Amazon doesn’t run its own fleet it’s all subbied out.
Sidevalve:
rob22888:
All electric trucks are perfectly viable for in house operations like supermarket work & medium distance depot-depot trunking. A supermarket for instance could have charging points at the depot & at the stores, it’d work perfectly fine.
As for the hire & reward sector of general haulage etc. it’s a much more difficult transition and I suspect we will see diesel powered trucks on the roads for a long time yet, even if its in a reduced capacity.
Agreed. Particularly for applications such as tippers and bulk blowers where you don’t just need power to keep the wheels turning.
Bulk blowers fit perfectly well with the idea of chargers at delivery points (you can still put charge into a battery even while drawing power to operate eg blowers etc). Tippers are just as (un)suited depending entirely on the nature of the work. Tipping into fixed delivery points would be simple enough (although the time spent actually tipping must surely be negligible - so why even bother with charging at the tipping location?). I don’t think charging at random, ad-hoc delivery points is ever going to be a runner, but on any sort of fixed, repeat runs with significant tipping/waiting times it’s fairly easy to do. Pallet hub trunking has to be an absolute shoe-in, with routine waiting/tipping times measured in hours according to some.
thehairyarsedtrucker:
A possible solution could be to have battery pack changing stations.
If the battery pack was replaceable like forklift batteries, you could pull in swap batteries and be on your way in a few minutes with a fully charged battery…in theory, but then again we should all be driving flying cars by now
I think Nissan have trialed something like this in Isreal.
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BedfordJ5:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
A possible solution could be to have battery pack changing stations.
If the battery pack was replaceable like forklift batteries, you could pull in swap batteries and be on your way in a few minutes with a fully charged battery…in theory, but then again we should all be driving flying cars by now
I think Nissan have trialed something like this in Isreal.
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As mentioned further up the thread, cars using such a system are in regular use in China, with thousands already sold.
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Roymondo:
Bulk blowers fit perfectly well with the idea of chargers at delivery points (you can still put charge into a battery even while drawing power to operate eg blowers etc).
Since at least half the bulk bins on the farms I have delivered to over the last 16 years haven’t even got the luxury of lighting never mind a power pack, I think it might be a while yet matey!
I watched Mythbusters this morning, they were testing battery life on an electric car on a fixed route.
- Control Run. No Ancillary Units
- Run with Heating System on 32°C Maximum Heat
- Run with Air Conditioning set to 18°C
- Run with Mobile Phone Charging
Run 1 & 3 returned exactly the same result.
Run 2 gave a slightly increased battery usage.
Run 4 crippled the battery economy.
The regenerative braking / charging that Lucy explained is demonstrated well by the power meter on my ■■■■■■■ scooter.
Whilst working abroad some 20 odd years ago the common thought in Germany was distances under 250km made more sense on a lorry with a driver, any further it was more economical to use a barge or railway.
Sidevalve:
Roymondo:
Bulk blowers fit perfectly well with the idea of chargers at delivery points (you can still put charge into a battery even while drawing power to operate eg blowers etc).
Since at least half the bulk bins on the farms I have delivered to over the last 16 years haven’t even got the luxury of lighting never mind a power pack, I think it might be a while yet matey!
feednavigator.com/Article/2 … etherlands
Looks like your old lot are already trying it out.
Spot on with the farm lighting btw