Gaz:
It will happen, i may hide under any name, call me Gaz on here if u like……or call me Gareth John Bell, Truck driver extroidannaire, industry activist, social revolutionist, welfare agent… I AINT SHY, CALL ME WHAT U WANT!
Bryn Jones (Or Williams, whoever he was) managed it without this marvel that is the web, watch out Mr Brown, WE MAY JUST SOON COME FOR YOU!!!
Well in that case all power to you Gaz77 
scanny77:
rubbish!
it would mean they would not make any more revenue, not lose it.
Eh ? 
its like me taking a day off. its not costing me a days pay, i just dont earn a days pay ie i dont make MORE than i have now.
No you lose money 
because you cannot now use that money to pay your bills unless of course you live for free or are you not one of those struggling to make ends meet ■■
the context in which i brought up income/council tax is perfectly related to this thread. it is not a different discussion at all
i work for a living so i couldnt really name any viable luxury items due solely to the fact that i will never own any of them (wouldnt want to own some of them) so i wouldnt know about them
At last we get to the root of YOUR issue here. You want others to be taxed on things that you don’t / can’t afford comrade. Sorry me old sausage but believe it or not this country IS a democracy
Well just to show you are not alone diesel prices have gone wild over here too.Paid $3.59 us gal.last week.This time last year it was around $2.30 so big increase.We now have tax surpluses up the ying yang.
Even though there are big and small truck companies here, the majority of the 3million trucks are driver owned .As you can imagine many are going upside down with the current state of affairs.
The only saving grace is the Fuel surcharge system that is run by the department of energy.They come up with a regional /national average fuel price every Monday morning which allows carriers to bill shippers the added fuel cost . Of course some unscroupulous carriers and brokers don’t pass it on to the owner drivers.
Hey montana man… On lighter note…
What does the T & A stand for in your signature as senior observer
Does it relate to certain parts of the female body 
All the best Nige
PS… About the blockade thingy! Let me know when and where and I’ll book a week or two off work and stand at your side 
Big Nige:
Hey montana man… On lighter note…What does the T & A stand for in your signature as senior observer
Does it relate to certain parts of the female body
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It does indeed my friend
If it does then shows how seriously some people take the issues on here!
Gaz:
If it does then shows how seriously some people take the issues on here!
Hey junior I resemble that remark
Lots of people on here have serious issues
Big Nige:
Hey montana man… On lighter note…What does the T & A stand for in your signature as senior observer
Does it relate to certain parts of the female body
do you need special training to become a T & A Observer ?
Denis F:
Big Nige:
Hey montana man… On lighter note…What does the T & A stand for in your signature as senior observer
Does it relate to certain parts of the female body
do you need special training to become a T & A Observer ?
No just really thick glasses Denis
You RESEMBLE that remark■■?..,. Well if thats the case “OLD MAN” i too “RESEMBLE” you calling me Junior!
I also RESENT your condescending remarks but we won’t go there!
He with the least education cast the first stone! As for he with the least Miles under his belt (Which is my measure), then judge me. I’ve driven man and boy in every possible machine my limited age (And education (If not your vocabluary)) could possibly allow!
Back to the point of the thread Grandad■■?
montana man:
No you lose money
you cant lose what you dont have can you?
what part of this dont you understand? if you get a pay rise, you increase your income. if you dont get a pay rise, your income remains the same. either way you are not LOSING a penny, you are merely not increasing what you would take home.
as for making ends meet, im fairly comfortable based on my standards ie im not interested in owning a ferrari. too superficial. i dont have the car i do want but thats part of keeping my outgoings as low as possible ie i dont owe any money so i only have things like household bills, insurance etc to worry about. i will save for that car rather than get a loan for it
scanny77:
you cant lose what you dont have can you?
what part of this dont you understand?
But the government already HAVE the revenue from fuel duty so therefore if they cut it they LOSE it
if you get a pay rise, you increase your income. if you dont get a pay rise, your income remains the same.[/b] either way you are not LOSING a penny, you are merely not increasing what you would take home.
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However you fail to take into account INFLATION and economic growth which mean your out goings increase yet your income does not therefore my blinkered friend you are LOSING money
This goes for government expenditure in the same way as personal expenditure
NOW DO YOU SEE
Ian, you are wasting your time. There is no way that the drivers of my former homeland have the neck to stand, and there appears to be a lack of thought in some of the theories.
Inflation cannot possibly account for the massive price increases across the board in the UK. It simply doesn’t equate at all. But the government need to figure this into their equations as do some of the ranters on here.
When I was owner op in the UK, I had 1100 litre fuel tanks. This would give me enough to come from Irun to Glasgow and back to Irun. Fuel in Irun was half the cost of the UK, so I would only fuel in cheaper countries like Spain.
In all the years I had my own truck, I bet I didn’t buy 1000 litres total of fuel in the UK. The reason was that I could, in theory at least, get the tax back from EU states, and it was invariably cheaper.
All these trucks from abroad in the UK now do not buy fuel there because it is too expensive. If the duty on transport fuel was reduced, I wonder just how much more would get sold to those trucks, and how much difference this would make to the coffers.
No point in talking about protests. No point in complaining as nobody will ever do anything. They just get all upset on these forums, say they will come to protests then not turn up.
inflation is separate. that happens as a matter of course. fuel tax goes up whenever they feel like being a bit greedier. besides, the the price of crude goes up, the make a bit more on it anyway so why add to the misery bt still adding in increase on fuel duty on top when its sky high already? a last minute attack on the people before labour finally dies out?
And let me guess Scanny…You also want a nice shiny clean hospital down the road from you with all the latest expensive treatments provided with as short as possible a waiting time without paying any more for that either.
Oh, sorry…I can guess what’s coming here…YOU’RE not ill therefore YOU’RE not interested in stuff like that. And YOU don’t have kids, so why pay for the education of other people’s kids? The fact that they will be the ones to pay for your pension when the time comes is, naturally, irrelevant…That and be trained to be the doctors and nurses who treat you when you DO finally need the NHS you don’t want to pay any more for either…
What exactly do you think the Government spends the fuel revenue on Scanny? Because we’ve all established it ain’t on roads…So perhaps it’s “luxuries” like health and education instead, eh? Nothing to lose, then. You’re right.
This thing about the price of crude is somewhat misleading.
When crude was $75 a barrel, the exchange rate was about $169 to the £. This means that current oil prices are pretty much the same as 2 years ago. The US have the entire world in a headlock because they have devalued their currency.
Last week, Airbus announced they were in trouble, despite full order books, because they sell their aircraft in US$ and the exchange rate is killing them.
Strangely, we have started getting TV adverts for Boeing in the past couple of weeks.
If you believe what the government say then you deserve all you get. And while I hate the idea of upsetting admin on here, if you ask anyone who works in the NHS, they will almost all tell you that the last thing the NHS needs is more money thrown at it.
The strikes will never happen because there is a lack of will. Those who are all for the strike are generally misinformed and so are not ideal candidates.
So Ian, do you want me to try to find a cheap flight yet?
Strangely, we have started getting TV adverts for Boeing in the past couple of weeks
I suppose that will help as you are eating your beans on toast. Oh, I will just nip out and buy a 747. Much better than giving French peasants any money.
I think the economics on here are probably the ingredients of pies, in the sky.
Scanny wants 2 pence knocking off every item he buys in his shopping, while Fuse only wants to work part time and sleep in hotels while he delivers the same food to the supermarkets 
Im intrigued who is going to pay for this. Oh of course the Boss can put his rates up and stop taking so much profit to pay his drivers more.
Somehow I feel with these two running the country we will soon be in a much worse state.
But at least we will all be equal
A fellow cynic!!
The thing about Boeing was something of a peculiarity. Now, even though their planes work out more costly, and their super duper mega airliner is not being produced yet, they have managed to beat the competition by having a week currency. However, the point I was making is that America controls the oil prices by having the price set in US dollars. When their currency is weaker, it makes oil cheaper for everyone else.
Now that their dollar is being beaten by the Zloty for value, oil prices have increased exponentially for everyone else. Rich said the price he paid for fuel last week, and it has risen sharply of late, but the US government can bleat all they want. They are racking up huge profits so they can continue sending people to places they have no business being in. In effect, they are strangling the world economy at a stroke because the rest of the world are foolish enough to use the USD as a trading currency.
All of this is straying from the thread, but I notice that people say bosses shouldn’t have the Range Rovers and should be paying their drivers more. That same old nut again.
If I read this correctly, drivers think they should have the same amount of income as their employers. They, too, should be able to have flash cars because their boss does. Either that, or bosses should simply drive around in a 96 Peugeot 205 because that is what the driver has. All things equal and all that!
This has been tried before. It was called Communism.
The strike will never happen because so many drivers consider there to be a huge gap between their employers and themselves. They don’t see their boss as someone they can communicate with. They almost view them as enemies.
I am so glad I got out.
Four legs good, two legs bad. 
I thought there was an extra ‘a’ in bad, you know, baa-d, when the sheep were chanting it in the fields…
I’ll get my coat then…