Fuel Prices

Crude and it’s distillates (Unleaded & Diesel to us) have been falling of late.

Crude has hit a 16 month low as of today.

Factors in the fall are:-

(1) China buying less on the open market, because of a huge trade deal done with Russia recently.

(2) An independent Scotland would be selling off it’s oil on the cheap, as an alternative to raising taxes. “Anticipated Market Overhang” depresses prices, especially in the short term.

(3) Tensions in the middle east seem less important of late. America seems poised to attack ISIS regardless of international opinion against such an attack.
“We don’t give a ■■■■ what the middle east thinks” removes an upward pressure on the crude complex - for now.

(4) The dollar has been strengthening in recent weeks. When the dollar rises, any falls in the price of crude (since it’s priced in dollars) are cushioned, which gives the lower price less requirement for it to “bounce back” as markets have a tendency to do otherwise.

Now, I realise that most drivers out there don’t give a ■■■■ about what happens on the markets - but it IS relevent to us right now as professional drivers - because another mainstay of low wages is now in the process of being removed!

Wages are low we’re told because:-

(a) we’re told there’s too many drivers - No longer true as of this week.

(b) The price of fuel is too high, and the transport firm has to make it’s savings somewhere else to remain competetive - an argument that is unravelling as we speak.

Well folks, if I’ve got the choice of working for the firm that wishes to remain competetive, or the one that pays a significantly higher hourly rate - guess where I’m off to as a mobile worker used to upping sticks and moving on? :smiley: :smiley:

The astute transport firm is going to look at ways in which to factor a cheapening fuel price into “a better deal for all” in it’s business practices.

The worst that can happen - is that the large company - too large to care that is - lets it all go down the drain in “waste”.

Spilt loads, fresh air collections, too much staff sickness, not opening up new yards in high-unemployment areas, overpaying taxes from poor revenue protection, paying their board too much… The list goes on and on.

I think it’s already been said on this board - “who’s gonna blink first”?

Winseer:
Now, I realise that most drivers out there don’t give a ■■■■ about what happens on the markets - but it IS relevent to us right now as professional drivers - because another mainstay of low wages is now in the process of being removed!

I give a ■■■■ because it affects me one way or the other.

Winseer:
Wages are low we’re told because:-

(a) we’re told there’s too many drivers - No longer true as of this week.

We are told this because it’s true, there are a lot of drivers out there (this week+many more to come) & that’s a fact!

Another big fall in the crude complex today (fossil fuel prices essentially)


More savings to be passed onto us drivers as “decent wages” coming soon - I hope!

The price is US Dollars per gallon. It’s dropped more than 10% so far this week, so if we equate that into British unleaded prices - We should see 112.9p at the pumps in short order I reckons…

This is related to the so-called “sanctions” against Russia. Talk about cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face!
Stock markets have been badly hit by all this as well… Sanctions are NOT hurting Russia - they merely force it to sell their oil elsewhere, like China direct. China, not buying so much on the open market any more - dries up the big bids in the everyday market for fuels across the board. Great for the transport industry, Not so great for Oil billionaires. :sunglasses:

£1.23 a litre at my local Sainsburys for petrol.

You forgot something

4 B) strong pound as well :wink:

So you up for a protest then :smiley:

Fuel may well become cheaper but Germany is slowing down along with a lot of our other trading partners ie China, ,Italy, France( in big trouble) ,South America, japan so when these problems pass to us ie less trade which may well mean companies here having to cut staff…no sustainable wage increase on the horizon in the real world.

when fuel goes up its onto the pump prices in about 24hours, when it goes down its about 6months so best of luck to you!

war1974:
when fuel goes up its onto the pump prices in about 24hours, when it goes down its about 6months so best of luck to you!

It already dropped 4p/l for diesel this week. £132.9 last week, £128.9 when I fuelled up on Monday.

bbc.co.uk/news/business-29566009

4 year low if you check online the price in 2010 was - £117.4p as an average in october!

like i say quick to rise slow to reduce :open_mouth:

war1974:
when fuel goes up its onto the pump prices in about 24hours, when it goes down its about 6months so best of luck to you!

Changes in fuel duty and VAT are required to be applied immediately, whereas changes due to crude oil price fluctuations are subject to supply-chain lag (although nowhere near six months!). The former are invariably price increases, while the latter can be in either direction. So a price reduction will almost always lag behind, whereas some increases will be seen immediately.

Isn’t what yards pay for their diesel a completely different animal than what the public pay at the pumps?

I would expect the yard’s diesel price to be a lot closer to the market commodity price, and quicker to follow it therefore.

Any TMs on here like to comment on what they are about to pay for their next consignment of fuel? :grimacing:

just look at fuel prices on the owner;s site on tnuk

Winseer:
Isn’t what yards pay for their diesel a completely different animal than what the public pay at the pumps?

I would expect the yard’s diesel price to be a lot closer to the market commodity price, and quicker to follow it therefore.

Any TMs on here like to comment on what they are about to pay for their next consignment of fuel? :grimacing:

i’ve been paying a fixed price of 1.04ppl for past few weeks,lowest we’ve had for a long time

…that would suggest therefore that the 10% drops of this week are “not factored into the price” as yet. :open_mouth:

I take it the 1.04p/litre is for normal DERV as opposed to cherry?

Local Supermarket has 124.9 as of last monday, and still showing that when I drove past this morning - so the same story there too I reckons…

Winseer:
…that would suggest therefore that the 10% drops of this week are “not factored into the price” as yet. :open_mouth:

I take it the 1.04p/litre is for normal DERV as opposed to cherry?

Local Supermarket has 124.9 as of last monday, and still showing that when I drove past this morning - so the same story there too I reckons…

we get a vat free price.

…Another good day for the Transport industy…

Gasoline RBOB Apr '24 Futures Snapshot Chart - Barchart.com (Unleaded Price on it’s own - further drop since the last chart higher up the page)

Energies Futures Prices - Barchart.com (other board prices for multiple fuel types, showing even larger drops for “further out” delivery months)


Todays drop in Brent Crude (last vertical line on chart)

A drop at the public pumps to 119.9 is imminent I’d say. I’m talking for Diesel here - not Unleaded, which really should be down to 119.9 right now!

Don’t believe that old tosh about these falls in forcourt prices being due to “supermarket price wars”.

If anything, the supermarkets are NOT passing on the full drop in fuel prices across the board!

Even Aviation Fuel is down heavily today, which of course represents cheaper foreign holidays - as and when the airlines decide to pass it onto the cash-strapped customers!

Sainsburys today was 122.9 and Asda was 122.7 here in Lincoln. Thats for petrol though, I don’t use diesel so I don’t look at that.

im just back from Egypt where the government hiked the prices up by 68% overnight much to the consternation of the camel jockeys…to a massive 15 pence per liter. happy days over there,or what?

The bear market continues…

122.9 at the pumps is looking rather dear now…

Crude Oil

Unleaded

All the while Gold has been following Crude prices downwards…
Gold and Fuel prices have been moving together for some time now as well…

Not good if all your money is in Gold, because you thought the stock market was looking a bit dodgy…

Whilst Agency drivers, and perhaps a few Full timers are getting some long-awaited pay rises by this point, I am left wondering if it['s merely the “driver shortage” that’s been factored into wages so far - and Fuel being mega-cheap, and going lower - has NOT yet been factored into wages…

Imagine the scenario of a thriving haulier - loads of new orders, loads of work - going to the wall a year from now - because all their good drivers have migrated away to the firms that are now the “top dollar” payers… :smiling_imp:

These precipitous drops in fuel prices will be helping the progressive yards, whilst driving others out of business a few months from now - IF they continue… Watch this space! :grimacing:

The news articles merely concentrate on “how much money energy firms will be losing” over all this…
Pah! They’ve still got a licence to print money - all the time it costs less to get it all out of the ground, than what they can flog the smelly gunk for!

I’ve got no more sympathy for greedy energy firms than I do for “times are 'ard” greedy hauliers. :imp:

Radar19:
£1.23 a litre at my local Sainsburys for petrol.

£1.19 is the cheapest ive seen. Was near Slough I think