robroy:
Jakey…You’ll need to.enlighten me as to what has gone on in the Pyrennes to make Sploomy’s beliefs mildly credible.Second coming?
3 Wise men heading from Paris to Madrid?
A bloke walking across the Lake De Gaube?
A burning bush? Ooooh the thought of that one .
Pray tell.
Too tired to explain tonight, check it on the news.
Its definitely happening. 
Sploom:
Harry Monk.
We believe the creation in 6 days to have been a supernatural event,so here’s no point using science to prove it wrong because we dont believe it happened under the natural law.If I was making the argument that the earth was formed in 6 days by the normal course of events,then your argument about the dinosaurs would be valif.
Just thinking when the earth formed,where do you think all the water came from?
Was it all just floating in space? I dont know what the current hypothesis is on this.
Seeing as we don’t have any eyewitnesses, nobody knows for sure how the universe came to be, where the water came from, or how life on this rock started.
Theologians don’t know it, and Scientists don’t know it.
The difference between the two, is that theologians believe what was written in a book 2000 years ago, by a few blokes with an agenda, and have stuck to that, rigidly, and threatened all who don’t follow them, with hell and damnation.
Scientists on the other hand, look at the evidence that we can touch and observe, and make considered conclusions. But, they keep looking at evidence, find new evidence, and will reconsider earlier findings, if the facts warrant it.
There is no proof that God exists. Our existence is not proof that there is a god. There is also no proof that God does not exists. It is not possible to prove either. Unless the bearded white sadddistic mysogenist decides to actually show himself.
The notion that the Earth, and the universe, and everything in it, was created out of nothing in 6 days by a man in the sky, is as far fetched as the notion that all matter in the universe, was contained in one small… what, a ball? Balloon? Tesco carrier bag?, and suddenly exploded into the ever expanding universe as we know it.
The only thing we know for sure, is that we are here.
Or are we…
jakethesnake:
the maoster:
If you like V twins Jake this is me on McGuiness’s old Vimto SP Honda but it’s in endurance spec with a softer engine and twin fill fuel tank. Still an unforgiving and savage barsteward thoughNow I’m impressed, ridden an SP 1 on the road. Lovely bike and cracking engine. Do you know the bhp of that one compared to standard?
The power was nothing to write home about when compared to todays 230+bhp hyper bikes. The engine it came with was sold because it was highly tuned and therefore no good for endurance racing. I’m not positive but I think it was around the 150bhp mark. It had some work done but it needed to last 24 hours living in the redline so it wasn’t too outrageous.
the maoster:
jakethesnake:
the maoster:
If you like V twins Jake this is me on McGuiness’s old Vimto SP Honda but it’s in endurance spec with a softer engine and twin fill fuel tank. Still an unforgiving and savage barsteward thoughNow I’m impressed, ridden an SP 1 on the road. Lovely bike and cracking engine. Do you know the bhp of that one compared to standard?
The power was nothing to write home about when compared to todays 230+bhp hyper bikes. The engine it came with was sold because it was highly tuned and therefore no good for endurance racing. I’m not positive but I think it was around the 150bhp mark. It had some work done but it needed to last 24 hours living in the redline so it wasn’t too outrageous.
Cheers maoster, yeah I understand but i’m sure it was a great experience. 
Stardownunder
I dont know the date of the flood but Methuselah lived 800 years and because he wasnt on the ark and obviously he was born after Adam,so the flood must have been at least 1000 after creation.Nobody lived more than 120 years after the flood
Sploom:
Harry Monk.
We believe the creation in 6 days to have been a supernatural event,so here’s no point using science to prove it wrong because we dont believe it happened under the natural law.If I was making the argument that the earth was formed in 6 days by the normal course of events,then your argument about the dinosaurs would be valif.
Just thinking when the earth formed,where do you think all the water came from?
Was it all just floating in space? I dont know what the current hypothesis is on this.
The water was obviously created before life was.
Bearing in mind the process in which Hydrogen and Oxygen can be combined in a way that results in something that isn’t explosively flammable and will actually put out a fire.
It obviously also can’t exist outside of all the atmospheric and temperature and gravitational parameters applying on Earth.
Miraculous stuff on a miraculous Planet.More like evidence of intelligent creation than random chance just like DNA.
To which your answer is let’s abandon all that and listen to the Godless scientists telling us that nuclear energy is the solution and that natural processes like fossil fuel and the Earth’s atmospheric CO2 are the problem.
“The flood-myth motif occurs in many cultures, including the manvantara-sandhya in Hinduism, Deucalion and Pyrrha in Greek mythology, the Genesis flood narrative, the Mesopotamian flood stories, and the Cheyenne flood story.”
How many floods were there?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth
Did you bother reading Harry’s very logical link, disproving the flood fairy tail?
Im not surprised the flood features in other religions.Its hardly something that would have gone unnoticed for a long time afterwards.I flicked through Harry’s link,there were some good convincing arguments but any arguments against the existence of God or the authority of the Bible become infinitley small to me when you look at creation in general and the human conscience.If you go down the road of atheism,you have to believe everything came into being from nothing,a group of cells,atoms,quarks,electrons or whatever can be aware of it’s own existance(the human brain).Molecules of dna and everything else,I dont know the details,the world we live in,the emotions,love,hate,anger,whatever,all these things held within matter,its way too far fetched for me to believe.There has to be a designer.If you believe that nothing exists except what you see and experience,that seems too narrow minded.There must be a designer above it that,ok,we dont understand or comprehend but just because we mortals dont understand,thats hardly proof of the non existance of a God
Stardownunder.
Here is an intresting article Ive been reading about the human brain
wondriumdaily.com/conscious … motions%3F
Not all bad news,though.
Sploom, you cherry-pick which bits of science and fantasy to quote at us, in your quest to make us believe in your creationist fairy tale.
How do you explain the cultures/religions that have a similar flood myth, that predates your myth?
You deny the science that totally demolishes your deific beginning of the earth, then have the audacity to lecture we enlightened people, about falling into line with the bits of science you decide to believe.
Looks rather hypocritical to me.
I dont avoid any science.I find it intresting to read about how they say the earth was formed even though I think it was an act of God.
I cant give you an opinion about how other religions deal with the flood account.You would have to ask them that.
But atheism brings more questions than answers.You cant explain human conscience.And even if you looked for the evidence,you cant predict what form that evidence would take.There are no mathematical models that can explain how the human brain can be aware of itself or have any freedom of choice.Under the atheist belief,we are all just robots with no choice but only governed by the laws of physics.
But you are free to believe what you want.Its not my business to tell you what you should believe in,thats your freedom of choice
Sploom:
I dont avoid any science.I find it intresting to read about how they say the earth was formed even though I think it was an act of God.
You might not avoid it, but you have admitted to denying it.
I cant give you an opinion about how other religions deal with the flood account.You would have to ask them that.
I didn’t ask for an opinion, I asked for an explanation. Your version of the flood fairy tail has been copied from other, non Christian religions, why?
But atheism brings more questions than answers.You cant explain human conscience. Yes I can, it’s development/evolution. And even if you looked for the evidence,you cant predict what form that evidence would take. WTF do you think Charlie Darwin did, followed up and refined by other intelligent, scientific people?There are no mathematical models that can explain how the human brain can be aware of itself or have any freedom of choice.Under the atheist belief,we are all just robots with no choice but only governed by the laws of physics. That’s the whole point! We are continually developing and evolving. Two hundred years ago the human race had no conception of motorised transport, now we have no conception of life without it.
But you are free to believe what you want.Its not my business to tell you what you should believe So why do you, so arrogantly, put in so much effort into ramming your opinions down our collective throats? in,thats your freedom of choice
The irony is totally lost on you, isn’t it?
I put effort into it because there is as much evidence that Jesus existed as there is Julius Caesar.Many people witnessed His miracles,the amount of people that witnessed the ressurection would be enough to stand up in court of law by todays standard.Once you believe Jesus came to earth to save sinners from hell,you can’t just walk away from that,you have to deal with it.We only get one life to make that decision to seek or reject the forgiveness of sins.If you decide that God exists,heaven and hell are an automatic follow from that and a judgement day to come.Its something that we all have to face.
But going to the freedom of choice issue,it’s something that can never be explained by science.Everything that happens has to have a cause and Darwin never came even close to solving this riddle
Sploom:
I put effort into it because there is as much evidence that Jesus existed as there is Julius Caesar.Many people witnessed His miracles,the amount of people that witnessed the ressurection would be enough to stand up in court of law by todays standard.Once you believe Jesus came to earth to save sinners from hell,you can’t just walk away from that,you have to deal with it.We only get one life to make that decision to seek or reject the forgiveness of sins.If you decide that God exists,heaven and hell are an automatic follow from that and a judgement day to come.Its something that we all have to face.
But going to the freedom of choice issue,it’s something that can never be explained by science.Everything that happens has to have a cause and Darwin never came even close to solving this riddle
Nobody’s denying Jesus existed, even the Muslims concede that. The Muslims, however, do not resort to some fanciful virgin birth bs, you’re as gullible as Joseph.
David Copperfield, Uri Gellar and Harry Houdini would have no problem sucking you in. You could witness their magic or miracles in person, no need to rely on Chinese whispers.
Sploom:
I put effort into it because there is as much evidence that Jesus existed as there is Julius Caesar.Many people witnessed His miracles,the amount of people that witnessed the ressurection would be enough to stand up in court of law by todays standard.Once you believe Jesus came to earth to save sinners from hell,you can’t just walk away from that,you have to deal with it.We only get one life to make that decision to seek or reject the forgiveness of sins.If you decide that God exists,heaven and hell are an automatic follow from that and a judgement day to come.Its something that we all have to face.
But going to the freedom of choice issue,it’s something that can never be explained by science.Everything that happens has to have a cause and Darwin never came even close to solving this riddle
Just a thought have you watched monty python the life of Brian recently
Sploom:
Stardownunder
I dont know the date of the flood but Methuselah lived 800 years and because he wasnt on the ark and obviously he was born after Adam,so the flood must have been at least 1000 after creation.Nobody lived more than 120 years after the flood
I can’t leave an open goal go begging…
Are you seriously telling us that you believe that a man lived for 800 years? And you use that “fact” to convince yourself that the flood and the ark really happened?
the nodding donkey:
Sploom:
Stardownunder
I dont know the date of the flood but Methuselah lived 800 years and because he wasnt on the ark and obviously he was born after Adam,so the flood must have been at least 1000 after creation.Nobody lived more than 120 years after the floodI can’t leave an open goal go begging…
Are you seriously telling us that you believe that a man lived for 800 years? And you use that “fact” to convince yourself that the flood and the ark really happened?
That is nothing mate.
Have you checked out the rest of his beliefs? 
An 800 year old geezer pales into insignificance in comparison.
Apparentlly another geezer created the whole world,.with everything in it…and not just that…
But in 6 days.
But never mind,.at least he had a rest on the 7th.
(Not ■■■■ surprised btw, he will have needed it after all that…)
And WE think drivers hours are bad.
I was using it to try and guess the date of the flood,not whether it happened or not.
If you believe the only things that happen are what you can understand and see,you are limiting yourself.Look at what you are.A mere mortal who ,you think,grew out of the sea waters millions of years ago
Sploom:
I was using it to try and guess the date of the flood,not whether it happened or not.
If you believe the only things that happen are what you can understand and see,you are limiting yourself.Look at what you are.A mere mortal who ,you think,grew out of the sea waters millions of years ago
It’s been said quite a few times on here by at least 4 or so different members,.and you do nothing to refute it.
The fact that you really do NOT understand the concept of irony do you. 