Darkside:
British workers are among the worst idlers in the world, the UK rewards laziness, and too many people in Britain prefer a lie-in to hard work.
Negative stereotypical b/s !
We’re talking drivers here, how tf can anybody be described as idle and lazy when most of them willingly work 80 or so hours a week,.and would do more if they could.
Naive, servile, and maybe a bit dim, quite possiblly…
Idle ? Lazy? …No.
robroy:
Ooooooh !
I’m all giddy, they’re fighting over me.
It’s the loser who gets to keep you!
Now that’s a helluva incentive 
I couldn’t agree more with you.
However these are words from your beloved Tory party (Patel, Raab and Truss amongst others). bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051
What hope do we have when supposedly working class people vote for people who say that out loud.
I remember in the 80’s when the large quarrying/construction company I worked for sold off some of its tipper fleet and the TM bought and ran them. We were on blooming good money and he had to continue paying the same, however later we had two lads drive for us who had been owner drivers and they reckoned that we were on too much money for the work we were doing compared to what the OD’s were earning and it couldn’t continue. We told them to just take the money and keep quiet. A few months later the gaffer called a meeting: “It’s been brought to my attention that I’m overpaying you so the pay scheme is being reviewed”. No prices for guessing who had told him that! 
Upshot was that wages dropped, not a lot and still better than many other firms doing the same work but they did drop, and within a few weeks both the former OD’s had left giving the reason that they were not prepared to work for the new rate! 
Pete.
Darkside:
I couldn’t agree more with you.However these are words from your beloved Tory party (Patel, Raab and Truss amongst others). bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051
What hope do we have when supposedly working class people vote for people who say that out loud.
Where do you get ‘beloved’ pertaining to me from exactly?
It’s you who has regurgitated their b/s not me.
Yep, I voted Tory the last time but only as it was the best of two evils.
The other ‘evil’ was totally unelectable, and the party he led had no bearing to it’s original raison d’etre Rodney…ie to represent and look after the working class.
So it was more of a way of keeping them out than wanting the Tories in,.and a step up from not voting at all…the bonus being the ‘B’ word which they promised to do asap…sorry if that part offends you (I ain’t really btw)
As soon as the Labour Party finds it’s way back to it’s origins, they will get my and I believe many other’s vote.
My old Granda bless him, was a staunch Labour voter who never missed a working day in his life, he would turn in his grave if I told him, but it’s a bit like a good chippy, when it changes hands and turns to crap…you don’t just keep going back and using it do you? 
You try another.
Darkside:
I couldn’t agree more with you.However these are words from your beloved Tory party (Patel, Raab and Truss amongst others). bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051
What hope do we have when supposedly working class people vote for people who say that out loud.
Posting a link that’s nearly 9 years old, a BBC report at that…
I give in!
Grumpy_old_trucker:
Darkside:
I couldn’t agree more with you.However these are words from your beloved Tory party (Patel, Raab and Truss amongst others). bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051
What hope do we have when supposedly working class people vote for people who say that out loud.
Posting a link that’s nearly 9 years old, a BBC report at that…
I give in!
Oh please don’t go you offer this forum so much in the way of intelligence…
I just find it odd that on one hand the virtues and benefits of unions are praised while the other hand is putting a X in the box next to the Tories.
the maoster:
robroy:
Ooooooh !
I’m all giddy, they’re fighting over me.
It’s the loser who gets to keep you!
Now that’s a helluva incentive
*Switchlogic shoots himself in head *
@Darkside.
I do take your point tbf.
But I’ve explained my position and reasons, so if you were me what would you have done?
Vote for a party that was ■■■■ poor, lost it’s way,.and would no doubt lead us into the same state they left us last time.
Or a party who granted had no relavance to myself, nor my class, but in MY personal view would make a better job of leading the country…as I said the best of 2 evils…IMO.
Now whether you or me believe they have or they have not so far done as I thought on the day, is irrelevant, you play with the cards you are dealt on that day, without the benefit of a crystal ball.
Over to you… 
switchlogic:
the maoster:
robroy:
Ooooooh !
I’m all giddy, they’re fighting over me.
It’s the loser who gets to keep you!
Now that’s a helluva incentive
*Switchlogic shoots himself in head *
I don’t come on here to be insulted. 
Darkside:
British workers are among the worst idlers in the world, the UK rewards laziness, and too many people in Britain prefer a lie-in to hard work.
Average working week in haulage is 55hrs…much more than the UK average of 42hrs which itself is higher than the 38-39hr average working week of France, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Italy etc - in fact most of Europe works less on average than the UK.
Work smart, not hard. Only an idiot works harder than they need to. Nobody ever wanted “Wish I’d worked harder” on their gravestone but plenty wish they’d worked less.
I’d rather be the guy who goes to work, does a nice steady 8-9hrs shift, goes back home and gets to have a life outside of work spent with the wife, kids and friends than the “hero” who leaves Monday morning, bangs in almost twice as many hours as the rest of the country, gets home late Friday night for the same money who is a Billy Nomates whose wife long since left because she got sick of him never being there and never wanting to do anything when he was because he was too knackered.
If you want to be the hero out working 13/15hr days and nighting out all week whilst eventually someone else ends up shagging your missus and being called dad by your kids because you’re never there then fill your boots, there’s plenty of companies who’ll happily take a mug like you. But it’s not for me though, I’m smarter than that.
You paint a fantastic picture Conor. So, we all just plod along to the job centre with our specifications of the ideal driving job. 8-9 hours please, home every night, only class 1. Somebody else can do the long hours and hard graft because I am a smart cookie me. Oh, and I want the same wage as the idiots doing all the hours. Thanks.
I worked at a place which had a driver who was always back to the yard early and was a real ■■■■-up.
All the rest of us got was why weren’t we as quick as Jacko* because Jacko did this and Jacko did that why are you taking so long, what are you doing.
Well, Jacko was an utter moron behind the wheel - we were sharing a Landrover once, I was driving and there was a big accident - we were being held so had to sit it out.
But our Jacko - he seriously was looking at the embankment fencing to see if there was a weak point that we could smash through and then we could take off across the fields.
I refused point blank.
He got away with smashing up vehicles, leaving them in ditches and running off because he’d had a couple of pints but because he was a kiss arse he just got away with it.
He used to start engines well below freezing that had been stood for a week and nail the throttle to the boards to get the air up as soon as they had fired. You couldn’t tell him anything, he knew it all.
Until he ran over somebody and put them in hospital and he got banned for 18 months.
Game over.
Real name withheld*
Darkside:
What hope do we have when supposedly working class people vote for people who say that out loud.
I think it’s a measure of how bad Corbyn and his cronies were that a lot of working-class people chose Thatcher-mentality Tories over a Labour party who clearly cared more about the middle-class vote: Boris and his bunch were the least-worst option (which in itself is a frightening thought). Kier Starmer has a big hill to climb before the next election, and if he’s got any sense he’ll remember articles like that one and remind us what was said.
Socketset:
I worked at a place which had a driver who was always back to the yard early and was a real ■■■■-up.All the rest of us got was why weren’t we as quick as Jacko* because Jacko did this and Jacko did that why are you taking so long, what are you doing.
Well, Jacko was an utter moron behind the wheel - we were sharing a Landrover once, I was driving and there was a big accident - we were being held so had to sit it out.
But our Jacko - he seriously was looking at the embankment fencing to see if there was a weak point that we could smash through and then we could take off across the fields.
I refused point blank.
He got away with smashing up vehicles, leaving them in ditches and running off because he’d had a couple of pints but because he was a kiss arse he just got away with it.
He used to start engines well below freezing that had been stood for a week and nail the throttle to the boards to get the air up as soon as they had fired. You couldn’t tell him anything, he knew it all.
Until he ran over somebody and put them in hospital and he got banned for 18 months.
Game over.
Real name withheld*
I think we all have a ‘‘Jacko’’ working at our firms who we have to endure.
Socketset:
He got away with smashing up vehicles, leaving them in ditches and running off because he’d had a couple of pints but because he was a kiss arse he just got away with it.
I feel need to point out I have never been called Jacko
Why single out drivers Rob?
People are crap in general, it’s just that some of the morons are worse, and make the regular morons appear ok’ish.
I’m not a bigot. I despise everybody equally…
I don’t see the haulage industry ever getting better. As the old school retire, a lot despondent as to how the industry has changed, the new blood come booming in and accept what is thrown at them, why would they question it as that is all they know? While many Drivers are willing to take jobs that pay just above the national minimum wage with all the responsibility, the laws the stress and all the other hassles that go with the job and as mentioned most firms have their resident heroes who will go way above and beyond to what is reasonable to most in their quest for brownie points, the wheels will literally still keep on turning.
I chucked full time driving at 50, three years ago, I work when I want and hell would have to freeze over before I even thought of full time work again. I found it, towards the end, to be absolutely soul destroying. Having said that I do occasionally enjoy driving now but it’s on my terms.
The pictures being painted here sound bleak indeed, and yes those jobs that require ridiculous hours are definately out there.
There are however still decent jobs to be found, interesting and satisfying to do, places where you are treated with respect but not miserable places either, of course not everyone of the staff involved in these places is perfect and neither are the drivers, but if you have the right attitude and just get on with your work instead of spending half the day desperately worrying joe soap might have a better or easier day or earlier finish than you, they can be good jobs worth doing your best for.
It must be said, and its always been the case, that finding an own account job is the best bet, hire and reward has been dumbed down to the nth degree and since the big logistics outfits became the norm this has become increasingly worse.
Also, this job has never been the ideal industry for basically miserable buggers, those who always find fault, those whom if you paid 'em a grand a week to lie in bed would still find things to moan about.
No i wouldn’t want to visit RDC hell holes every day and that’s why i don’t do it, its a wide industry so if you’re in a job you can’t stand for goodness sake go out and find another sector that at least gives some job satisfaction, invariably such jobs pay better too, let the miserable buggers get on with wingeing.
robbo99.:
with all the responsibility, the laws the stress and all the other hassles that go with the job
Never quite understood this.
Don’t crash
Don’t spill the load
Don’t get lost
Don’t break the law.
Everything else is someone else’s problem.