Do you think if there is that they will own up, after reading some of the ill thought out bull [zb] spouted by some of the less intelligent amongst us on this thread
It’s like saying all truckers are thick basts (although after reading some comments it’s hard to argue with that )
Or all Scousers are thieves, all hair stylists are gay, all Priests are paedos,…it’s ■■■■■■■■!!
As I have said I hate any form of religion end of, it is supernatural fantasy, that can NEVER be proven because of it’s nature, but there are good people and absolute arse wipes in any group, nationality, organisation and yeh…religion
I hate those radical [zb] s, but it does not mean I have to hate ALL Muslims.
It isn’t a question of hating anyone it’s a question of defence in which we don’t have the luxury of being able to sort the good from the bad and not trying to integrate totally different alien cultures which breeds the hatred you’re moaning about.Meanwhile feel free to point out the so called ‘good’ parts and any ‘good’ agenda contained in the Koran.
Read some of the comments, it’s mostly about hate.
Have you not read my posts (…surprise surprise ) , why the ■■■■ would I know anything about the Koran, I do not subscribe to any form of religion, neither am I ’ moaning’ neither am I (unlike you) winging it pretending to know about stuff I know ■■■■ all about in real terms.
Do you think if there is that they will own up, after reading some of the ill thought out bull [zb] spouted by some of the less intelligent amongst us on this thread
It’s like saying all truckers are thick basts (although after reading some comments it’s hard to argue with that )
Or all Scousers are thieves, all hair stylists are gay, all Priests are paedos,…it’s ■■■■■■■■!!
As I have said I hate any form of religion end of, it is supernatural fantasy, that can NEVER be proven because of it’s nature, but there are good people and absolute arse wipes in any group, nationality, organisation and yeh…religion
I hate those radical [zb] s, but it does not mean I have to hate ALL Muslims.
It isn’t a question of hating anyone it’s a question of defence in which we don’t have the luxury of being able to sort the good from the bad and not trying to integrate totally different alien cultures which breeds the hatred you’re moaning about.Meanwhile feel free to point out the so called ‘good’ parts and any ‘good’ agenda contained in the Koran.
Read some of the comments, it’s mostly about hate.
Have you not read my posts (…surprise surprise ) , why the ■■■■ would I know anything about the Koran, I do not subscribe to any form of religion, neither am I ’ moaning’ neither am I (unlike you) winging it pretending to know about stuff I know ■■■■ all about in real terms.
robroy:
Wtf has the Irish situation past and present to do with the French border problems and cosequences
Don’t ask me ask Billy.He’s the one who tried to make the connection between Jihad and Irish nationalism in whatever form.
The connection is simple, we have a situation in another country where innocent people have been killed by some local men, having been indoctrinated by radicals in their movement to believe killing people will advance their cause. Now you could say it’s Paris, where people on here have gone all pear shaped because of the religion & what their cause is. You could say it’s Belfast where now a member on here, known for knowing everything about everything, cannot recall the radicals in that country going on indiscriminate murder rampages! The fact that he has Irish family has nothing to do with his selective memory, obviously.
Dress it up however you like killing is killing & as history has shown will achieve nothing. As the saying goes Fighting for peace is like F**king for chastity.
Daytrunker:
Just been on the news french police have identified 2 bombers have Syrian passports that got to France via Greece earlier in the year,shut the borders keep more of them out for good.
Already opened “aid containers” meant for refugees and found them full of weapons how much more evidence does the wet pansy government need to shut up shop.
robroy:
Wtf has the Irish situation past and present to do with the French border problems and cosequences
Don’t ask me ask Billy.He’s the one who tried to make the connection between Jihad and Irish nationalism in whatever form.
The connection is simple, we have a situation in another country where innocent people have been killed by some local men, having been indoctrinated by radicals in their movement to believe killing people will advance their cause. Now you could say it’s Paris, where people on here have gone all pear shaped because of the religion & what their cause is. You could say it’s Belfast where now a member on here, known for knowing everything about everything, cannot recall the radicals in that country going on indiscriminate murder rampages! The fact that he has Irish family has nothing to do with his selective memory, obviously.
Dress it up however you like killing is killing & as history has shown will achieve nothing. As the saying goes Fighting for peace is like F**king for chastity.
Comparing the irish war to jihad is madness .are you right in the head
Daytrunker:
Just been on the news french police have identified 2 bombers have Syrian passports that got to France via Greece earlier in the year,shut the borders keep more of them out for good.
Already opened “aid containers” meant for refugees and found them full of weapons how much more evidence does the wet pansy government need to shut up shop.
robroy:
Wtf has the Irish situation past and present to do with the French border problems and cosequences
Don’t ask me ask Billy.He’s the one who tried to make the connection between Jihad and Irish nationalism in whatever form.
The connection is simple, we have a situation in another country where innocent people have been killed by some local men, having been indoctrinated by radicals in their movement to believe killing people will advance their cause. Now you could say it’s Paris, where people on here have gone all pear shaped because of the religion & what their cause is. You could say it’s Belfast where now a member on here, known for knowing everything about everything, cannot recall the radicals in that country going on indiscriminate murder rampages! The fact that he has Irish family has nothing to do with his selective memory, obviously.
Dress it up however you like killing is killing & as history has shown will achieve nothing. As the saying goes Fighting for peace is like F**king for chastity.
Comparing the irish war to jihad is madness .are you right in the head
Of course it is to you, you’re Irish. You no doubt have a perfectly viable reason for your countrymen killing innocents people for years because their cause was right.
I don’t think there’s any point in arguing “ethics” of the terrorism in the troubles vs Jihadists. Its all hideous as people were then and are now being murdered.
I’d imagine from an intelligence and defence point of view it is viewed very differently. Fundamentally most terrorists in the troubles had no active desire to die. They were willing to if it came down to it but it wasn’t part of a target. They still had self preservation. These Jihadist nutters consider it an honour.
Also the various factions involved in the troubles had no desire for globalisation. Their focus was Ireland/Northern Ireland. The Jihadists state that anyone who is however tenuously linked to an entity or country that has tenuously taken steps against Islam is a soldier of the enemy. Therefore, most of the western world!
Do you think if there is that they will own up, after reading some of the ill thought out bull [zb] spouted by some of the less intelligent amongst us on this thread
It’s like saying all truckers are thick basts (although after reading some comments it’s hard to argue with that )
Or all Scousers are thieves, all hair stylists are gay, all Priests are paedos,…it’s ■■■■■■■■!!
As I have said I hate any form of religion end of, it is supernatural fantasy, that can NEVER be proven because of it’s nature, but there are good people and absolute arse wipes in any group, nationality, organisation and yeh…religion
I hate those radical [zb] s, but it does not mean I have to hate ALL Muslims.
It isn’t a question of hating anyone it’s a question of defence in which we don’t have the luxury of being able to sort the good from the bad and not trying to integrate totally different alien cultures which breeds the hatred you’re moaning about.Meanwhile feel free to point out the so called ‘good’ parts and any ‘good’ agenda contained in the Koran.
Read some of the comments, it’s mostly about hate.
Have you not read my posts (…surprise surprise ) , why the [zb] would I know anything about the Koran, I do not subscribe to any form of religion, neither am I ’ moaning’ neither am I (unlike you) winging it pretending to know about stuff I know [zb] all about in real terms.
I don’t think that people who don’t share your views on this subject are less intelligent than you. You say you don’t know about the Koran so maybe you should take some time to research it and see the content of it, then you will see the views Muslims are instructed to have regarding none Muslims. They have absolutely no tolerance at all for others, it’s convert or die. They can pretend to get along with us if they feel threatened, but allah forbids genuine friendship. They have been here since the 60’s and made no effort to integrate at all, just took over whole areas for themselves which they now regard as Muslim areas. This happens in every country they go to. It’s not about hate, nobody cares that there’s a China town in the big cities, nor wants rid of the Sikhs or any other religion, just the Muslims due to their intolerance of every other faith. There isn’t one country in the world that they have settled in and integrated with the indigenous population
Freight Dog:
I don’t think there’s any point in arguing “ethics” of the terrorism in the troubles vs Jihadists. Its all hideous as people were then and are now being murdered.
I’d imagine from an intelligence and defence point of view it is viewed very differently. Fundamentally most terrorists in the troubles had no active desire to die. They were willing to if it came down to it but it wasn’t part of a target. They still had self preservation. These Jihadist nutters consider it an honour.
Also the various factions involved in the troubles had no desire for globalisation. Their focus was Ireland/Northern Ireland. The Jihadists state that anyone who is however tenuously linked to an entity or country that has tenuously taken steps against Islam is a soldier of the enemy. Therefore, most of the western world!
Being prepared to die and killing for a cause isn’t limited to Jihad.It applies wether it’s a Lancaster crew over Germany or the Irish nationalist forces who were justifiably fighting for their country.
It all gets a bit more of a grey area when you’ve got people doing that to impose their foreign expansionist aims,or whatever other type of unjustifiable agenda, on others.Let alone then using the tactics of the Jihadists or the nazis to do it.For Billy’s information I’d include the anti treaty continuity/provisional IRA type factions among those fitting the description of unjustifiable agenda.But on balance,as I’ve said,I don’t think they can be blamed for resorting to the tactics of the Jihadists.
However I’d also include the British Army’s actions in Ireland as often fitting that description and arguably also fitting the tactics of the nazis at least in the period before and shortly after the signing of the Anglo Irish treaty.IE personal knowledge of summary execution of mid teenaged kids by British forces on the basis of reprisals for activeties/sympathies with the Irish Nationalist cause ( I’d add not the anti treaty continuity factions of that cause ).Not to mention the details of the original Bloody Sunday in 1920.
Having sorted all that out we’re then left with the totally different issue of the undoubted expansionist agenda of the Islamic world and the type of society it prefers.With examples like Saudi,Iran and Pakistan to go by.With the undoubted issue of Jihad and its tactics based on unarguable values of those backward vicious societies.On that note the question remains how can anyone possibly justify our and the French and now Germans immigration policies and definitions of nationality based on place of birth,in view of all that.
> drhs: > English culture and the Muslims culture doesn’t mix in my eyes …same as Christian faith as the Muslim faith… u go and bluid a church in a Muslim country n let’s see…what happens?
There are Christian Churches in Iraq / Syria / Lebanon / Jordan / Palestine
Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians
whisperingsmith: > drhs: > English culture and the Muslims culture doesn’t mix in my eyes …same as Christian faith as the Muslim faith… u go and bluid a church in a Muslim country n let’s see…what happens?
There are Christian Churches in Iraq / Syria / Lebanon / Jordan / Palestine
Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians
I’m guessing that going for a pint after Sunday Christian church services in Saudi could be a problem though. On that note what was the partition of India,to seperate it and Pakistan and Bangla Desh from each other,all about.
whisperingsmith: > drhs: > English culture and the Muslims culture doesn’t mix in my eyes …same as Christian faith as the Muslim faith… u go and bluid a church in a Muslim country n let’s see…what happens?
There are Christian Churches in Iraq / Syria / Lebanon / Jordan / Palestine
Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians
m.christianpost.com/news/isis-de … ts-140246/
Most of the churches in Iraq and Syria are gone, Christians murdered in Syria. The other countries you state are on the list of the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. You forgot to mention Saudi, where converting to Christianity is punishable by death.
whisperingsmith: Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians [/quote] m.christianpost.com/news/isis-de … ts-140246/ Most of the churches in Iraq and Syria are gone, Christians murdered in Syria. The other countries you state are on the list of the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. You forgot to mention Saudi, where converting to Christianity is punishable by death. [/quote] Absolutely Saudi the cradle of the Islamic faith and an example of peace and tolerance to the world.
Night-and-day:
I don’t think that people who don’t share your views on this subject are less intelligent than you. You say you don’t know about the Koran so maybe you should take some time to research it and see the content of it, then you will see the views Muslims are instructed to have regarding none Muslims. They have absolutely no tolerance at all for others, it’s convert or die. They can pretend to get along with us if they feel threatened, but allah forbids genuine friendship. They have been here since the 60’s and made no effort to integrate at all, just took over whole areas for themselves which they now regard as Muslim areas. This happens in every country they go to. It’s not about hate, nobody cares that there’s a China town in the big cities, nor wants rid of the Sikhs or any other religion, just the Muslims due to their intolerance of every other faith. There isn’t one country in the world that they have settled in and integrated with the indigenous population
So advocating nuking, revenge beheadings, burning at the stake and all the rest of the ridiculous suggestions are those of reasonable and intelligent people are they?
You suggest I read the Koran , I have no desire to read the Koran or any other religious propaganda, I aint the slightest bit ■■■■ interested in it.
That does not disqualify me from commenting on the subject as I see it.
I could be classed as Christian, as I was brought up as one, that does not say that I live my life to the letter of the Bible, as I am sure many Muslims do not with the philosophies of their religion.
Don’t get me wrong I am not an apologist or champion of Muslims, especially all these ■■■■ radicals and such scum, those that cause unrest in varying degrees, from verbally abusing our troops on the streets to acts of terrorism and murder should be sorted end of.
As for the suggestions I first mentioned from others? I stand by what I said at first.
robroy:
So advocating nuking, revenge beheadings, burning at the stake and all the rest of the ridiculous suggestions are those of reasonable and intelligent people are they?
You suggest I read the Koran , I have no desire to read the Koran or any other religious propaganda, I aint the slightest bit [zb] interested in it.
That does not disqualify me from commenting on the subject as I see it.
I could be classed as Christian, as I was brought up as one, that does not say that I live my life to the letter of the Bible, as I am sure many Muslims do not with the philosophies of their religion.
Don’t get me wrong I am not an apologist or champion of Muslims, especially all these [zb] radicals and such scum, those that cause unrest in varying degrees, from verbally abusing our troops on the streets to acts of terrorism and murder should be sorted end of.
As for the suggestions I first mentioned from others? I stand by what I said at first.
While I’ll stand by what I said regarding the Israeli example being the best way to deal with the Islamic/Jihadist threat.IE viewed with at best extreme suspicion if not extreme prejudice on the basis of don’t bother them unless they bother us.
The definition of ‘don’t bother them’ in that case not meaning let’s bring them all here to live with us.The definition of extreme prejudice meaning up to and including nukes if required.
Night-and-day:
I don’t think that people who don’t share your views on this subject are less intelligent than you. You say you don’t know about the Koran so maybe you should take some time to research it and see the content of it, then you will see the views Muslims are instructed to have regarding none Muslims. They have absolutely no tolerance at all for others, it’s convert or die. They can pretend to get along with us if they feel threatened, but allah forbids genuine friendship. They have been here since the 60’s and made no effort to integrate at all, just took over whole areas for themselves which they now regard as Muslim areas. This happens in every country they go to. It’s not about hate, nobody cares that there’s a China town in the big cities, nor wants rid of the Sikhs or any other religion, just the Muslims due to their intolerance of every other faith. There isn’t one country in the world that they have settled in and integrated with the indigenous population
So advocating nuking, revenge beheadings, burning at the stake and all the rest of the ridiculous suggestions are those of reasonable and intelligent people are they?
You suggest I read the Koran , I have no desire to read the Koran or any other religious propaganda, I aint the slightest bit [zb] interested in it.
That does not disqualify me from commenting on the subject as I see it.
I could be classed as Christian, as I was brought up as one, that does not say that I live my life to the letter of the Bible, as I am sure many Muslims do not with the philosophies of their religion.
Don’t get me wrong I am not an apologist or champion of Muslims, especially all these [zb] radicals and such scum, those that cause unrest in varying degrees, from verbally abusing our troops on the streets to acts of terrorism and murder should be sorted end of.
As for the suggestions I first mentioned from others? I stand by what I said at first.
I’ll agree with you about advocating nuking and beheadings etc. I have no religious interest either but looking into the Koran does give an alarming look into their supposed peaceful religion. Muslims are an extremely religious group that do live their life as told to, honour killings for example. Parents murdering their own daughters for becoming too westernised. You say they don’t live their lives around the teachings of the Koran but I find that hard to believe as they are so brainwashed by the fairytale and do genuinely believe it. I agree that there will be ‘Muslims’ that mean us no harm and are happy to live amongst us and respect our values. However these will be the more westernised ones that have took a step back from Islam, making themselves not a true Muslim in the process
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, I have no desire to read the Koran or any other religious propaganda, I aint the slightest bit ■■■■ interested in it.