It might be important at this point to mention that the Bataclan Nightclub that was attacked, and where most of the casualties were, is Jewish owned. It has been threatened before, and finally they have done it. Am afraid this will add further fuel to the fire. If any good comes of this, it will finally mean boots on the ground, and the breaking up of IS. The downside of this, is that it will obviously have been expected by IS, and no doubt the soldiers are already in place to continue the battle in our cities.
They are already nearly half-way there. Most of our big cities have massive muslim communities, all awaiting the swing to muslim majority rule. We have had so many warnings, and yet so many people are blind to what is happening. Islam is not even a proper religion. It is mostly a political credo, and should be banned. While this may seem totally unrealistic at the moment, wait until what happened in Paris becomes a regular occurrence here, and silently condoned by the so-called decent muslims already here and think again.
Well, isn’t this thread a jolly old barrel of laughs.
Night-and-day:
I’ll agree with you about advocating nuking and beheadings etc. I have no religious interest either but looking into the Koran does give an alarming look into their supposed peaceful religion. Muslims are an extremely religious group that do live their life as told to, honour killings for example. Parents murdering their own daughters for becoming too westernised. You say they don’t live their lives around the teachings of the Koran but I find that hard to believe as they are so brainwashed by the fairytale and do genuinely believe it. I agree that there will be ‘Muslims’ that mean us no harm and are happy to live amongst us and respect our values. However these will be the more westernised ones that have took a step back from Islam, making themselves not a true Muslim in the process
Ok it looks like we are getting to some common ground on this.
Unlike our resident Oracle Mr Carryfast I am not an expert on Theological history, so forgive me if I come across as a bit naive when it comes to religious beliefs and teachings.
The problem with living your life to a religious philosophy such as the Bible or Koran is that both books were written in ancient and primitive times.
There is nothing wrong in teal terms with using a sacred book as a guide I suppose , if you bear this in mind, and do not take it literally, by living your life in a good way, but at the same time adapt the teachings to modern times.
This is where a lot of Muslims (and some Christians) fall down. Your reference to inter family honour killings for example, should not be taken literally but rather adapted to modern society.
To keep it simplistic, if they feel so bad about their daughter bringing ‘shame down on them’ chuck their daughter out for good, that is adapting.
If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptation 
…that is a good analogy of what I am attempting to put across…
I’m not so sure that most of the religion under discussion take it all as seriously as some here feel, i suspect many would like to back away from it but dare not.
With Christianity in the dark ages if you wanted to survive and not suffer the most appalling tortures before being crucified (if you were lucky) you did as you were told and worshipped the god you were told to in the manner you were told to, that’s where the religion of peace is now, still living in the bloody dark ages, by removing yourself from it or simply going against an imam you could become as ostracised as a Christian would be 300 to 700 years ago, would take a brave soul to stand up to that sort of threat and possibly repercussions for your extended family back home…Christs sake they chuck gays off buildings and stone raped women to death for adultery, how the hell do you have even a sensible conversation with such outright nutters, they’re barking.
Any moderates here who wanted to stand up and say no, who’s going to protect them from their own bloody savages eager to pay back any slight insult to their religion…and don’t tell me the Brit police would protect them cos i might have a laughing fit that brings on some unknown condition.
You couldn’t trust our own western governments to back you, beholden as they are to those cuddly Saudis, they’re just as likely to round you up and send you off to goodness knows what fate if a weapons procurement order is on the table.
Imagine being in their shoes, a married chap with sons and daughters, what you going to do, you want to stand against the extremists but you can’t do it alone even if you are probably in the majority (which i believe the moderates overwhelmingly are), how do you broach the subject with your friends, any one of them might shop you to the extremists and anything could happen to you and your family.
We are where we are, no one asked me or my kind if i wanted millions of people of different beliefs and a alien incompatible cultures to move here, though millions of our people voted for more over the years in elections and continue to do so, so lets hope those who agreed to this have some answers.
The champagne cork is out and no one’s going to be able to put it back in.
Is the death march silently tolling for our country and way of life?
switchlogic:
Well, isn’t this thread a jolly old barrel of laughs.
It’s a bit more entertaining Luke than…
‘Which sat nav should I spend my £500 on’’
or
‘‘Will I face execution for going over my 15 hours by 2 minutes’’ 
Big Truck:
Carryfast:
or the Irish nationalist forces who were justifiably fighting for their country.You talk some utter balls at times Carryfast and have been reading “Gerry/Martins Propaganda Times” a bit too often
Where’s the connection with them as opposed to support for Collins’ nationalist forces and the Anglo Irish treaty which he and those forces brought about and then died for in its defence against the continuity anti treaty forces. 
robroy:
If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptation
Is it? 
Now put your pinny on sweetie and get back in the kitchen!
My dinner isn’t going to cook itself is it darlin? 
Evil8Beezle:
robroy:
If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptationIs it?
Now put your pinny on sweetie and get back in the kitchen!
My dinner isn’t going to cook itself is it darlin?
You just won’t let it go will you move on.
I told you when you went back to your Mother, we are history!!
Night-and-day:
whisperingsmith:
> drhs:
> English culture and the Muslims culture doesn’t mix in my eyes …same as Christian faith as the Muslim faith… u go and bluid a church in a Muslim country n let’s see…what happens?There are Christian Churches in Iraq / Syria / Lebanon / Jordan / Palestine
Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians
m.christianpost.com/news/isis-de … ts-140246/
Most of the churches in Iraq and Syria are gone, Christians murdered in Syria. The other countries you state are on the list of the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. You forgot to mention Saudi, where converting to Christianity is punishable by death.
exactly. …
robroy:
Evil8Beezle:
robroy:
If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptationIs it?
Now put your pinny on sweetie and get back in the kitchen!
My dinner isn’t going to cook itself is it darlin?You just won’t let it go will you
I told you when you went back to your Mother, we are history!!
History is pretty much the point isn’t it…
We have crazy lunatics of every faith running around armed to the teeth spouting outdated medieval crud, and no real way of weeding them out.,
So instead we have bellends (on both sides) whipping up mass hysteria to force a race war…
It’s not going to end well! 
robroy:
Ok it looks like we are getting to some common ground on this.Unlike our resident Oracle Mr Carryfast I am not an expert on Theological history, so forgive me if I come across as a bit naive when it comes to religious beliefs and teachings.
The problem with living your life to a religious philosophy such as the Bible or Koran is that both books were written in ancient and primitive times.
There is nothing wrong in teal terms with using a sacred book as a guide I suppose , if you bear this in mind, and do not take it literally, by living your life in a good way, but at the same time adapt the teachings to modern times.
This is where a lot of Muslims (and some Christians) fall down. Your reference to inter family honour killings for example, should not be taken literally but rather adapted to modern society.
To keep it simplistic, if they feel so bad about their daughter bringing ‘shame down on them’ chuck their daughter out for good, that is adapting.If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptation
Now all you’ve got to do is sell that idea to the chief Imams etc in Saudi who’ll then miraculously see the light and make the required proclamation which will take the Islamic world forward into the 21st century overnight. Meanwhile the word is the Israelis are so impressed by your ideas that they are going to make an announcement declaring their neutrality and total disarmament and opening of their borders to the new enlightenment of the Arab/Islamic world,with immediate effect.
Or to put it another way yes you are naive.To the point where if Chamberlain had tried something like that in 1938 WW2 would have been over before it had begun because Hitler would have known he was bsing. 
Night-and-day:
whisperingsmith:
> drhs:
> English culture and the Muslims culture doesn’t mix in my eyes …same as Christian faith as the Muslim faith… u go and bluid a church in a Muslim country n let’s see…what happens?There are Christian Churches in Iraq / Syria / Lebanon / Jordan / Palestine
Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians
m.christianpost.com/news/isis-de … ts-140246/
Most of the churches in Iraq and Syria are gone, Christians murdered in Syria. The other countries you state are on the list of the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. You forgot to mention Saudi, where converting to Christianity is punishable by death.
let’s see what would happen if u walked down the street wiv a bottle of Stella in ur hand…or a case ov Wine in the boot ov ur car…think a bloke is to get some lashes for having wine in is boot ? lovely society NOT
drhs:
Night-and-day:
whisperingsmith:
> drhs:
> English culture and the Muslims culture doesn’t mix in my eyes …same as Christian faith as the Muslim faith… u go and bluid a church in a Muslim country n let’s see…what happens?There are Christian Churches in Iraq / Syria / Lebanon / Jordan / Palestine
Syria & Lebanon in particular have large numbers of Christians
m.christianpost.com/news/isis-de … ts-140246/
Most of the churches in Iraq and Syria are gone, Christians murdered in Syria. The other countries you state are on the list of the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. You forgot to mention Saudi, where converting to Christianity is punishable by death.let’s see what would happen if u walked down the street wiv a bottle of Stella in ur hand…or a case ov Wine in the boot ov ur car…think a bloke is to get some lashes for having wine in is boot ? lovely society NOT
At least make it realistic by whipping a Saudi bird’s burka off and ask her for a snog with the beer to celebrate Christmas.Although look on the bright side at least that will guarantee not being chucked off the top of a skyscraper.
Carryfast:
robroy:
Ok it looks like we are getting to some common ground on this.Unlike our resident Oracle Mr Carryfast I am not an expert on Theological history, so forgive me if I come across as a bit naive when it comes to religious beliefs and teachings.
The problem with living your life to a religious philosophy such as the Bible or Koran is that both books were written in ancient and primitive times.
There is nothing wrong in teal terms with using a sacred book as a guide I suppose , if you bear this in mind, and do not take it literally, by living your life in a good way, but at the same time adapt the teachings to modern times.
This is where a lot of Muslims (and some Christians) fall down. Your reference to inter family honour killings for example, should not be taken literally but rather adapted to modern society.
To keep it simplistic, if they feel so bad about their daughter bringing ‘shame down on them’ chuck their daughter out for good, that is adapting.If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptation
Now all you’ve got to do is sell that idea to the chief Imams etc in Saudi who’ll then miraculously see the light and make the required proclamation which will take the Islamic world forward into the 20st century overnight.
Or to put it another way yes you are naive.To the point where if Chamberlain had tried something like that in 1938 WW2 would have been over before it had begun because Hitler would have known he was bsing.
Not only are you a ■■■■■■ know all you are also a patronising ■■■■■■ know all
If you bother to actually read peoples posts before pontificating back to them in your own inimitable ■■■■■■ annoying way, you would have read what I said, …I have no real interest in any fairy tale religion, and freely admitted that my views on it because of that could be interpreted as naive.
robroy:
Carryfast:
robroy:
Ok it looks like we are getting to some common ground on this.Unlike our resident Oracle Mr Carryfast I am not an expert on Theological history, so forgive me if I come across as a bit naive when it comes to religious beliefs and teachings.
The problem with living your life to a religious philosophy such as the Bible or Koran is that both books were written in ancient and primitive times.
There is nothing wrong in teal terms with using a sacred book as a guide I suppose , if you bear this in mind, and do not take it literally, by living your life in a good way, but at the same time adapt the teachings to modern times.
This is where a lot of Muslims (and some Christians) fall down. Your reference to inter family honour killings for example, should not be taken literally but rather adapted to modern society.
To keep it simplistic, if they feel so bad about their daughter bringing ‘shame down on them’ chuck their daughter out for good, that is adapting.If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptation
Now all you’ve got to do is sell that idea to the chief Imams etc in Saudi who’ll then miraculously see the light and make the required proclamation which will take the Islamic world forward into the 20st century overnight.
Or to put it another way yes you are naive.To the point where if Chamberlain had tried something like that in 1938 WW2 would have been over before it had begun because Hitler would have known he was bsing.
Not only are you a [zb] know all you are also a patronising [zb] know all
If you bother to actually read peoples posts before pontificating back to them in your own inimitable [zb] annoying way, you would have read what I said, …I have no real interest in any fairy tale religion, and freely admitted that my views on it because of that could be interpreted as naive.
well said mate 
robroy:
Carryfast:
robroy:
Ok it looks like we are getting to some common ground on this.Unlike our resident Oracle Mr Carryfast I am not an expert on Theological history, so forgive me if I come across as a bit naive when it comes to religious beliefs and teachings.
The problem with living your life to a religious philosophy such as the Bible or Koran is that both books were written in ancient and primitive times.
There is nothing wrong in teal terms with using a sacred book as a guide I suppose , if you bear this in mind, and do not take it literally, by living your life in a good way, but at the same time adapt the teachings to modern times.
This is where a lot of Muslims (and some Christians) fall down. Your reference to inter family honour killings for example, should not be taken literally but rather adapted to modern society.
To keep it simplistic, if they feel so bad about their daughter bringing ‘shame down on them’ chuck their daughter out for good, that is adapting.If you were following a recipe in a Cookery book written 1000+ years ago, you would not go down to the river for water, and cook in a clay oven, you would use the modern equivalent and adaptation
Now all you’ve got to do is sell that idea to the chief Imams etc in Saudi who’ll then miraculously see the light and make the required proclamation which will take the Islamic world forward into the 20st century overnight.
Or to put it another way yes you are naive.To the point where if Chamberlain had tried something like that in 1938 WW2 would have been over before it had begun because Hitler would have known he was bsing.
Not only are you a [zb] know all you are also a patronising [zb] know all
If you bother to actually read peoples posts before pontificating back to them in your own inimitable [zb] annoying way, you would have read what I said, …I have no real interest in any fairy tale religion, and freely admitted that my views on it because of that could be interpreted as naive.
Great so you’re saying that even you know that the idea of trying to bring Islam into the 21st century is a non starter.So in that case why not just settle on the Israeli view of the situation regarding our dealings with the Islamic world.While yes I realise that it might affect oil prices but zb it the Americans are floating on a sea of the stuff it’s just that they are a bit stingy about letting anyone else have some.
You can all rant on a much as you like on here but at the end of the day multiculturalism does not work.
Over a century ago Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem called “The Ballad of East & West” whose initial line reads: “East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet.”
Why do muslims even want to live here in the West and force their religion on us.
They hate everything we stand for, our women, music, dancing, drinking, freedom of speech etc etc etc etc.
Our thoughts are with all of those caught up in this.
moomooland:
You can all rant on a much as you like on here but at the end of the day multiculturalism does not work.Over a century ago Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem called “The Ballad of East & West” whose initial line reads: “East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet.”
Why do muslims even want to live here in the West and force their religion on us.
They hate everything we stand for, our women, music, dancing, drinking, freedom of speech etc etc etc etc.
^ This.
Except multi culturalism by definition actually means segregation it’s integration which is the real problem in that regard.The logical conclusion of which is the widely spaced seperate nation states that nature gave us.Until the socialists and cheap labour agenda threw a spanner in the works.
Carryfast:
or the Irish nationalist forces who were justifiably fighting for their country.
You’ve gone too far now carryfast. Justifying everything the IRA did? Have you completely lost the plot? Just because they didnt hijack planes doesn’t make them any different to any other terrorist group,and that’s all they were. There is NO difference from planting live bombs in a crowded market place to opening fire with a sub machine gun. Any “group” who use devices with the sole aim of killing as many innocent people as possible all fall under the same umbrella. Terrorists. There is NO justification for purposfully targeting innocent people going about their daily lives, no matter what your beliefs or what you think your “fighting” for.
If your saying the IRA were justified in their actions then your saying ISIS are justified also. Which is it?