eagerbeaver:
I don’t think the Israeli’s are doing that well on the peace side of things though CF.
They’re doing a ■■■■ sight better than they would if they took our approach to borders and security.
Robroy basically has made my point. A ■■■ for tat retribution policy, simply does not work.
The-Snowman:
robroy:
The-Snowman:
You can always rely on trucknet not to go for any knee jerk reactions or go OTT on the solutions!Don’t think sending professional soldiers in to deal with murdering rebels is OTT Snowman mate.
It was more the “get rid of all muslims and make it an illegal religion” bit I was meaning. Plus some of the other stuff on this thread borders on lunacy. Its not ALL muslims who are the problem
Im all for sending the full force of the western military over there. The sooner the better. IMO the west can wipe out ISIS in about a week if they really go for it.
Granted if the west went over there we probably could wipe Isis out in about a week. The problem is a lot of them are born overseas and return over there to train. Jihadi John bieng a prime example. Born in London, brought up as a ‘British Muslim’ then goes overseas to behead infidels. How do we deal with the ones like that? Hes fooled plenty of people over here all his life, probably even got Christians who regarded him as a friend (as it instructs him to do in the Koran). There is no reasoning with people like him, and there’s a hell of a lot of them. You say all Muslims arnt bad, but how can you tell the difference until it comes to the crunch and they get their jihad. People think it won’t happen because we are civilised but they seem to forget we are dealing with people who’s beliefs are about a 1000 years behind ours.
Carryfast:
robroy:
Carryfast:
the idea of forcible conversion or takeover is one of the religion’s aims and duties on its followers
:Carryfast mate, I know you are an authority on…well every [zb] thing, so is this the ‘‘Koran according to Carryfast’’ or an actual fact?
I’d guess that’s a reasonable description of the IDF’s take on the definition of ‘Jihad’ which sounds good enough to me.As I said the apologist line is getting so old it’s starting to stink.
So it’s like I said then ‘The Koran according to Carryfast’’ 
It’s ok posting personal theories as if they are facts, the problem is some of the hard of thinking on here take them as Gospel (both metaphorically and literally. 
) and before you know it start repeating them.
Kick every single one of them out “British” or not , then the “peaceful Muslims” might stand up against the “extremists”, then we should take a hard stance on who we let back in !! I know it’s never going to happen but we can all dream right
The-Snowman:
robroy:
The-Snowman:
You can always rely on trucknet not to go for any knee jerk reactions or go OTT on the solutions!Don’t think sending professional soldiers in to deal with murdering rebels is OTT Snowman mate.
It was more the “get rid of all muslims and make it an illegal religion” bit I was meaning. Plus some of the other stuff on this thread borders on lunacy. Its not ALL muslims who are the problem
Im all for sending the full force of the western military over there. The sooner the better. IMO the west can wipe out ISIS in about a week if they really go for it.
Well as said these isis pricks wont wear a uniform or make it well known what they are , so there’s no way of telling between good and bad as they look the same, So removing all Muslims and or outlawing Islam in the uk are the only sure fire way of ridding this country from the enemy within, if governments keep on the same path the people will do it, and there will be civil war, and bits of dead Muslim everywhere
tommy t:
if governments keep on the same path the people will do it, and there will be civil war, and bits of dead Muslim everywhere
Been saying this for years. It will take civil action to sort this problem out. The governments do not have the bottle to do enough to sort the problem out. The people will only tolerate so many one off terrorist atrocities. It won’t be any time soon but it will come.
Yet again there are no senior Muslim leaders expressing condemnation publicly to separate peaceful Muslims from the ideology that forms IS. Secretly applauding or too scared to speak out?
Vive la France
Terry T:
tommy t:
if governments keep on the same path the people will do it, and there will be civil war, and bits of dead Muslim everywhereBeen saying this for years. It will take civil action to sort this problem out. The governments do not have the bottle to do enough to sort the problem out. The people will only tolerate so many one off terrorist atrocities. It won’t be any time soon but it will come.
government is and has been 100% useless for many years not just when it comes to sorting out terrorism , i watched the tonight program on the housing crisis, i knew that thatcher caused it, by the right to buy , but more so the restrictions on local councils that make it harder for them to build new to replenish housing stock, what a shower of greedy self serving bar stewards the government have been, not only the last self-servative government but labour too, and this lilly livered prick camercon is no different
Apart from make life more difficult for those born without the silver spoon in their gobs they have done very little
Has FN been gagged all of a sudden?
The silence is deafening…
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
The-Snowman:
You can always rely on trucknet not to go for any knee jerk reactions or go OTT on the solutions!+1
I recall a few years ago when this sort of bombing & killing happened here, the British Isles, on a regular basis, we didn’t nuke anyone then & I don’t see it happening here. Just as well as some on here really like Ireland & the Irish.Save us the pro immigration apologist bs.The Irish troubles were/are all about a small localised misguided faction that didn’t want to accept the Anglo Irish treaty concerning the North South border.Who actually applied rules and restraint in what they did.Whereas Jihad is a totally different threat based on invasion and takeover by whatever means without rules.As we’ve seen in Israel,London,New York and Paris among other examples.
And on cue, the Irish apologist pokes out his turtles head. I don’t think your mates over the water would like being called a small localised misguided faction, but you know them better than me, I just had to help keep them in check, collect body parts, military & civilian, they didn’t really care which, you know what these animals are like. All based on another peaceful religion. The only real difference between these killers & those killers is that most of these are brown & your mates are white.
Winseer:
Has FN been gagged all of a sudden?The silence is deafening…
Going by the bias left wing media Front National has chance to take centre stage after Paris attacks | Paris attacks | The Guardian she may as well say nothing ,as there is no helping the brainwashed
Wardaddy:
For any home grown Jihadis or those that took those citizenship courses, I say bring back hanging for high treason. My barbaric self really wants hanging drawing and quartering, with the spiking of heads in a prominent public place you understand.
Those thick religious preachers need a bit of the old burning at the stake for heresy while we’re at it. Sometimes the oldest methods are the best.
Well said,I’m sure kings of old wouldn’t take this kind of ■■■■,just imagine Henry the 8th stood there “excuse me sire there’s foreigners landed wanting to take over your country and make it their own?”.
Would get the pointy bit of a sword up em and sent packing back where they came from ■■■■ sharpish.
All too late, there is no answer to this, it’s not going to affect the elites…who the majority of the electorate keep voting for, i do wish they wouldn’t…for they are protected.
The writing was on the wall more years ago than i care to mention, it was told in a speech by a certain Enoch Powell, a wise and educated man who by using some silly and derogatory terms in his speech handed the socialist antidemocrats the ammunition to silence and ostracise him.
There are too many of the enemy now here, and thanks to the great socialist experiment, the EU, there are millions of them all over europe, and thanks again to the socialist plant the present fuhrer there are millions more on their way.
It should never have happened, the so called moderates among them keep quiet because they want to keep their heads attached, so a minority of vocal hot heads rule and the sheep follow…ironic the similarities with the western ideal then, where the majority of us have been overruled and ignored by own very own minority leadership, the liberal elite…conveniently during the years leading up to this cultural and national suicide we, the backbone of the country have been disarmed, so unable to defend ourselves when the time comes for the enemy here to do its thing.
Personally i have no problem with our leaders, the rather more equal than others that is, remember the pigs in animal farm?, they are only doing what dictators and politicians and apparatchiks have always done since time began, they’ve filled their pockets and fed their foul greed for power.
I do however have a big problem with my fellow countrymen, whohave voted for and endorsed these self same traitors who have sold our country from beneath us and have as time will show subjugated our children.
Instead of taking an interest in the broader picture of their country they paid more attention to drinking themselves stupid and watching rubbish television, any new they watched or read was either from the state broadcaster or the bought and paid for mainstream press…had they woken and sobered up for 5 minutes and looked outside they might have spotted the truth years ago.
This country was a Jerusalem, with it’s own faults, when i was born and in my childhood, it has changed for the worse beyond all recognition.
The electorate as a whole deserve whats coming and be assured it will come here in due course, they sold their votes in many cases, their votes bought with money borrowed in theirs and their childrens names.
tommy t:
The-Snowman:
It was more the “get rid of all muslims and make it an illegal religion” bit I was meaning. Plus some of the other stuff on this thread borders on lunacy. Its not ALL muslims who are the problem
Im all for sending the full force of the western military over there. The sooner the better. IMO the west can wipe out ISIS in about a week if they really go for it.Well as said these isis pricks wont wear a uniform or make it well known what they are , so there’s no way of telling between good and bad as they look the same, So removing all Muslims and or outlawing Islam in the uk are the only sure fire way of ridding this country from the enemy within
Dont get me wrong,I can see where your all coming from with the “get rid of them all” comments. If I thought it would work id be all for it as well. And I also agree that there are plenty Muslim leaders who have loud voices when muslims are attacked but are predictably quiet in acts of terror.
But deciding to round up all Muslims and close down all the mosques etc is precisely what all terror groups want. All these acts of terror etc are designed to provoke hatred of Muslims. And when “revenge” attacks take place, mosques get burned etc then you are playing into their hands. Because then they get the disillusioned Muslims to join them because “everyone hates us anyway”. Its almost like a recruitment drive if you like. And if you get countries deciding to round up all muslims and kick them out then your not solving the problem, your making it worse. Because there aim is to dissolve any chance of descent muslims living in harmony with anyone with white skin and if our country decides to seperate them then we’re actually doing their work for them.
Im not a left wing, bleeding heart. Far from it. I just think banning Islam as a religion and kicking all muslims out is the wrong way to go about it.
Im fully in support of rounding up anyone with links or suspected links to terror groups and taking them to the deepest, darkest corner of the world to something similar to Guantanamo bay. And when it comes to getting information out of them,I dont give a ■■■■ how much torture they use on them to get the info out of them. Im all for removing their “human rights” and not having them protected by the laws they hide behind when it suits them.
Im all for Militry action. Send the full force of the US,Uk,Russian,French etc armies over there and crush them. And I wont shed a tear if I read of any “innocents” getting killed because A - this isnt a war we started and B - they dont care about killing innocent people so why should we. They’re goading for a fight and im all for giving it to them.
Im in full support of kicking anyone out who condones terrorism (Choundry for example) and any Muslim who does not do there best to help us fight it. But what you cant do is alienate and ostrachise every single Muslim because then you’ll end up fighting them all, not just some of them. I appreciate they dont wear a uniform or a great big badge but deciding to alienate the whole religion is the wrong move in my opinion.
And before you all decide to shoot me down, remember,its only an opinion. I might be wrong,I might be right. Nothing anyone says on here will make a difference to the powers that be who actually make the decisions so if you dont agree with me, just say so. Dont get all apoplectic. At the end of the day, we’re all on the same side
I must echo some of what Juddian just said. The whole vote Lab > vote Con > vote Lab > vote Con ad finitum thing is extremely annoying.
Wasn’t it Einstein who said the definition of madness is repeating the same experiment but expecting different results. Or words to that effect, don’t quote me. (<<<<< go on smart arse, quote me).
They’re all the same, we need something different.
The-Snowman:
tommy t:
The-Snowman:
It was more the “get rid of all muslims and make it an illegal religion” bit I was meaning. Plus some of the other stuff on this thread borders on lunacy. Its not ALL muslims who are the problem
Im all for sending the full force of the western military over there. The sooner the better. IMO the west can wipe out ISIS in about a week if they really go for it.Well as said these isis pricks wont wear a uniform or make it well known what they are , so there’s no way of telling between good and bad as they look the same, So removing all Muslims and or outlawing Islam in the uk are the only sure fire way of ridding this country from the enemy within
Dont get me wrong,I can see where your all coming from with the “get rid of them all” comments. If I thought it would work id be all for it as well. And I also agree that there are plenty Muslim leaders who have loud voices when muslims are attacked but are predictably quiet in acts of terror.
But deciding to round up all Muslims and close down all the mosques etc is precisely what all terror groups want. All these acts of terror etc are designed to provoke hatred of Muslims. And when “revenge” attacks take place, mosques get burned etc then you are playing into their hands. Because then they get the disillusioned Muslims to join them because “everyone hates us anyway”. Its almost like a recruitment drive if you like. And if you get countries deciding to round up all muslims and kick them out then your not solving the problem, your making it worse. Because there aim is to dissolve any chance of descent muslims living in harmony with anyone with white skin and if our country decides to seperate them then we’re actually doing their work for them.
Im not a left wing, bleeding heart. Far from it. I just think banning Islam as a religion and kicking all muslims out is the wrong way to go about it.
Im fully in support of rounding up anyone with links or suspected links to terror groups and taking them to the deepest, darkest corner of the world to something similar to Guantanamo bay. And when it comes to getting information out of them,I dont give a [zb] how much torture they use on them to get the info out of them. Im all for removing their “human rights” and not having them protected by the laws they hide behind when it suits them.
Im all for Militry action. Send the full force of the US,Uk,Russian,French etc armies over there and crush them. And I wont shed a tear if I read of any “innocents” getting killed because A - this isnt a war we started and B - they dont care about killing innocent people so why should we. They’re goading for a fight and im all for giving it to them.
Im in full support of kicking anyone out who condones terrorism (Choundry for example) and any Muslim who does not do there best to help us fight it. But what you cant do is alienate and ostrachise every single Muslim because then you’ll end up fighting them all, not just some of them. I appreciate they dont wear a uniform or a great big badge but deciding to alienate the whole religion is the wrong move in my opinion.
And before you all decide to shoot me down, remember,its only an opinion. I might be wrong,I might be right. Nothing anyone says on here will make a difference to the powers that be who actually make the decisions so if you dont agree with me, just say so. Dont get all apoplectic. At the end of the day, we’re all on the same side
Ok maybe you can’t get rid of them all,why not get there leaders hiding in uk etc,and cut there head of live on tv while making them eat a bacon buttie,maybe show where not ■■■■■■■■■■ !!
comet:
The-Snowman:
tommy t:
The-Snowman:
It was more the “get rid of all muslims and make it an illegal religion” bit I was meaning. Plus some of the other stuff on this thread borders on lunacy. Its not ALL muslims who are the problem
Im all for sending the full force of the western military over there. The sooner the better. IMO the west can wipe out ISIS in about a week if they really go for it.Well as said these isis pricks wont wear a uniform or make it well known what they are , so there’s no way of telling between good and bad as they look the same, So removing all Muslims and or outlawing Islam in the uk are the only sure fire way of ridding this country from the enemy within
Dont get me wrong,I can see where your all coming from with the “get rid of them all” comments. If I thought it would work id be all for it as well. And I also agree that there are plenty Muslim leaders who have loud voices when muslims are attacked but are predictably quiet in acts of terror.
But deciding to round up all Muslims and close down all the mosques etc is precisely what all terror groups want. All these acts of terror etc are designed to provoke hatred of Muslims. And when “revenge” attacks take place, mosques get burned etc then you are playing into their hands. Because then they get the disillusioned Muslims to join them because “everyone hates us anyway”. Its almost like a recruitment drive if you like. And if you get countries deciding to round up all muslims and kick them out then your not solving the problem, your making it worse. Because there aim is to dissolve any chance of descent muslims living in harmony with anyone with white skin and if our country decides to seperate them then we’re actually doing their work for them.
Im not a left wing, bleeding heart. Far from it. I just think banning Islam as a religion and kicking all muslims out is the wrong way to go about it.
Im fully in support of rounding up anyone with links or suspected links to terror groups and taking them to the deepest, darkest corner of the world to something similar to Guantanamo bay. And when it comes to getting information out of them,I dont give a [zb] how much torture they use on them to get the info out of them. Im all for removing their “human rights” and not having them protected by the laws they hide behind when it suits them.
Im all for Militry action. Send the full force of the US,Uk,Russian,French etc armies over there and crush them. And I wont shed a tear if I read of any “innocents” getting killed because A - this isnt a war we started and B - they dont care about killing innocent people so why should we. They’re goading for a fight and im all for giving it to them.
Im in full support of kicking anyone out who condones terrorism (Choundry for example) and any Muslim who does not do there best to help us fight it. But what you cant do is alienate and ostrachise every single Muslim because then you’ll end up fighting them all, not just some of them. I appreciate they dont wear a uniform or a great big badge but deciding to alienate the whole religion is the wrong move in my opinion.
And before you all decide to shoot me down, remember,its only an opinion. I might be wrong,I might be right. Nothing anyone says on here will make a difference to the powers that be who actually make the decisions so if you dont agree with me, just say so. Dont get all apoplectic. At the end of the day, we’re all on the same sideOk maybe you can’t get rid of them all,why not get there leaders hiding in uk etc,and cut there head of live on tv while making them eat a bacon buttie,maybe show where not [zb] !!
outside toilets !
The problem with going over there and kicking their butts is that another group will pop up soon after, it would be like playing whack a mole, as there’s so many of them we don’t have the resources to keep on doing the boots on the ground thing, our economy wouldn’t sustain it , seeing as our population is above what it should be thanks to the open door borders
Also the way it has been getting dealt with up to now hasn’t really been a success has it ? the likes of Anjem Choudary will use our own rules /laws against us ,( take the ■■■■ )in removing him legally, (by the book) and that is one of the problems
Then there’s those who take to the streets burning our countries flag over something trivial they should be jailed for it, not let off this bs has been allowed to go on far to long, All government seeks to do is erode our rights to privacy online and it’s ■■■■ for snooping, this wont prevent the terrorists and criminals from communicating secretly , but it will adversely affect the average law abiding citizens , Why should we take this bs? Time we did something ourselves, you said about the likes of isis wanting us to hate muslims, most of us never liked or trusted them before isis
I can’t understand ,with the best fighting force in the world,why these fanatics have not been taken out yet ?