toby1234abc:
Why the gross negligence ? He used the horn to warn people, and didn’t wake up that
morning intending to mow everyone down on purpose.
Maybe the gross negligence is because his steering was supposedly perfectly fine and yet managed to killed a wee lassie on the pavement.
It needs like some sort of computer model reconstruction of the event to see if he could have avoided that.
You don’t wake in the morning intending to kill anyone but if your direct actions or in-actions lead to the deaths of people that could have been otherwise avoided then that is negligence, manslaughter whatever you want to call it.
According to news reports, the little girl and her grandma were hit whilst crossing the road, not on the footpath.
The two men arrested in connection with the fatal road traffic collision in Bath last Monday have been released on bail.
The arrests follow the incident on Lansdown Lane on February 9 when a tipper truck carrying aggregate was in collision with a number of vehicles and two pedestrians.
Four people died as a result of the incident.
A 19-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving and manslaughter by gross negligence.
A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of causing manslaughter by gross negligence.
Both have now been released on police bail pending further enquiries.
GasGas:
As two people have now been charged, I’m not going to make further public comment here.
If I was admin…I’d lock this thread at this point to avoid prejudicing legal proceedings.
The news doesn’t say anything about them being ‘charged’ but it does say ‘investigations’ into the cause are ongoing.If anyone was worried about prejudice and locking further discussion then the first place to start would be the media.Who the public seems happy enough to let continue with its one sided approach to reporting which has already pushed the blame angle even before all the actual facts are known.
As I’ve said it is the news which isn’t there,like the driver’s appointed legal defence team are closely involved with the ‘investigations’ regarding what caused the truck to run away,which seems to say everything so far.
toby1234abc:
Why the gross negligence ? He used the horn to warn people, and didn’t wake up that
morning intending to mow everyone down on purpose.
Maybe the gross negligence is because his steering was supposedly perfectly fine and yet managed to killed a wee lassie on the pavement.
It needs like some sort of computer model reconstruction of the event to see if he could have avoided that.
You don’t wake in the morning intending to kill anyone but if your direct actions or in-actions lead to the deaths of people that could have been otherwise avoided then that is negligence, manslaughter whatever you want to call it.
According to news reports, the little girl and her grandma were hit whilst crossing the road, not on the footpath.
I think the reports went along the lines of a bus had stopped at the crossing as the already running out of control truck approached it from behind.At which point the choice,from the driver’s point of view,would have been just run into the bus or take another option to left or right with no time to sort out and decide the best choice.It isn’t difficult to understand that at that point it will probably all end in tears one way or another without a lot of luck.
Slightly off subject, but in Portugal there was a terrible road called the IP 5, it ran from the Spanish border at Villar Formoso to Aveiro near Porto.
Lorries would get brake fade and tyre fires on a daily basis and some were fatalities.
The Portuguese drivers would go down the steep mountains with the cab door open ready to abandon ship, you had to be wide awake on that road.
It was planned to be viaducts and tunnels but the builders took the millions and fled to Brazil.
The locals named it the highway of death.
It would take about six hours driving to cover about 150 miles,low gear crawling, I had donkeys and horse and carts going faster in the fields next to the road, I kid you not.
weeto:
There is quite a bit of conflicting reporting going on, it was quoted somewhere that it was actually his boss he went round at the crossing.
Ironically the video of the runaway east euro/Russian vehicle probably provides a similar picture of the type of situation and choices which the driver in this case had.In this case having obviously chosen the decision to go for the walls to the nearside and finally the one in front of the house and the junction to the near side to get it slowed and/or stopped one way or another.Remembering that the vehicle in the video example was obviously lighter and probably going slower.
In either case any pedestrians being factored in on the nearside would have been an impossible situation and possibly even out of sight in this case in the near side blind spot.While we know that there was traffic approaching on the right considering the car is reported to have been caught by the truck when it rolled over assuming the other possible choice of turning it hard right in which case that choice also obviously had unknown potential consequences.As would letting it roll further on gathering even more speed.
Whatever the questions the law firstly need to provide the exact cause as to why the truck ran away.In which case,assuming it wasn’t caused by anything which the driver would have been responsible for pre trip,it seems harsh and unjustifiable to be throwing around accusations of causing death by dangerous driving given the choices available,in the case of trying to sort out a loaded run away 30+ tonner.Let alone throwing those accusations around before that cause has even been established.
While even if the cause could be put on the question of correct approach and gear selection at the start of the descent,as in the video example,that still leaves the issue of the driver’s defence being his possible/probable training in that regard.Bearing in mind an institutional over reliance on brakes within that training regime.
nodding donkey:
Well, having seen the ‘driving’ skills and ‘road craft’ of the average tipper driver around those there parts, I dont hold a high opinion of most of them. And I can just imagine a 19 year old, new in this business, trying to keep up with that.
I once did some agency work for another Wiltshire tipper operator. … On the way back to base at the end of the day, three of the bellend jockeys decided that driving three abreast down the M4, slowing down to annoy the traffic, was hilarious.
There is a big fleet of red ones that must include the word moron in the job description, or so it seemed a few years ago, I think they have upped their standards a bit of late.
I see box jockeys driving like knobs all day in and out of Tilbury every day so that obviously means every container driver in the UK is a knob.
There was me thinking I must be the only tipper driver who see’s these bellends on the A13
I wouldn’t be swayed too much by the driver and the operator being arrested. As it says in the link, the police have to be seen to be doing something. It could be a fault with the truck for all the police know at this stage. Probably just wanted to get the stories straight under caution for any potential evidence for court.
I remember now why I don’t post on here much anymore.
The same posters carpet-bombing the same thing over and over and over and over. 16 pages, of which about 9 are just the same thing repeated ad infinitum.
hammer:
I remember now why I don’t post on here much anymore.
The same posters carpet-bombing the same thing over and over and over and over. 16 pages, of which about 9 are just the same thing repeated ad infinitum.
Or a number of points related to many types of different ‘issues’ related to the driver training regime,vehicle spec requirements and the procedure related to what happens to a driver after such an event regards the law and the media.
The former of those points might just save lives and/or another young driver facing the same situation regardless of what eventually is concluded as having happened in this case and assuming that such drivers want to learn.If they’d prefer to read your pointless whingeing instead that’s up to them.
hammer:
I remember now why I don’t post on here much anymore.
The same posters carpet-bombing the same thing over and over and over and over. 16 pages, of which about 9 are just the same thing repeated ad infinitum.
It would of been 32 pages if it had been a female driver!
Carryfast:
If they’d prefer to read your pointless whingeing instead that’s up to them.
I notice that you’re admitting to carpet-bombing threads with the same rubbish over and over. I never mentioned you at all in my original post. Clearly a guilty conscience!
I only post occasionally. You however maintain a monumental level of constant verbal diarrhoea on virtually every thread at all times of the day and night. I don’t know how you find the time to eat, sleep, work or even function as a normal (NORMAL! c.Pub Landlord) human being!
if I were you I’d let Avon and Somerset know because they only arrested them and both are out on bale 
