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The answer is in your post - they earn more here than back home. Simply put they, like anyone else follow the money.
The other issues are for those who/how you voted for.
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I agree to a certain extent. If the English (British) were to get off their arses and take the menial / unsociable hours work and work like some of the east Europeans, things would be better for them. How many times have you heard Brit’s whinging and saying things like ‘I wouldn’t get of bed for that’ or ‘You wouldn’t see me doing that job’ etc. I’ve done some right old jobs in my time, cos I ain’t too proud to sweep up / clean toilets etc. I’ve done these things to tide me over, especially since I lost my truck licence for health (work accident) reasons. I know people joke about it, but there are plenty who really do look down on other people because of the job they do. If it puts bread on the table and pays the rent, just do it. Something better comes along sooner or later.
This had already started well before we left England in 1974 with West Indians, Indians and Pakistanis doing jobs such as bus driving and conducting because whites didn’t want the hours. Now it’s spread to Europe because of the open door policy and the employers are taking full advantage of the Brits shooting themselves in the foot.
The trouble is that many of the indigenous population have no choice other than to opt for a life on benefits now, because you can’t afford western European rents on eastern European wages.
Harry Monk:
The trouble is that many of the indigenous population have no choice other than to opt for a life on benefits now, because you can’t afford western European rents on eastern European wages.
The answer is to go and live on a boat.
Indeed Harry, its worrying how bad the end result of the race to the bottom (not just in our industry) will be.
Really it’s all about the class system and people losing their way in the scheme of things. You should all know your place in society and be happy with your lot. After all upper, middle and working classes just don’t gel, a bit like oil and water. That’s what capitalism is really about. You’re only allowed what you’re given.
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We need an Australian/Canadian type immigration model. A required skills list.
If you are not on the list, you are not coming in.
In all fairness to CF, he was referring to the Battle of Britain specifically I think.
Juddian:
How do immigrants find jobs?Lets think about the eastern europeans in particular here.
Firstly they make themselves presentable, get off their arse at silly o’clock and go look for work, instead of expecting it to find them.
Their English, both spoken and written is usually of a decent standard.
When they get the job they do their best, are reliable and don’t take the ■■■■ with sickies and the like, are prepared to start at the bottom and soon, very soon, work their way up.Then, and this is where they differ from Brits who are now a divided society…by design but they aided and abetted those who designed their division and overrule…they look after their own, they get their friends and countrymen in whenever they can, those who are worth employing though, not the sickie crew.
Employers who’ve found good reliable results with EE’s are naturally quite happy to employ others EE’s, they don’t make trouble, they don’t cause problems re religious or other issues, what’s not to like if you’re an employer.
True.And if anyone from you open own business,production or transport company or … that you will first think and give job to people who can make this job quality with minimum problem and as well keep production level.And you near forget about British/not British.If you earn money than you will be happay if some people will sick every week or … that you will not happy from this worker.MAIN PROBLEM FOR COMPANIE -FIND GOOD REALLY HARD WORKING PEOPLE who will not sick man,who have good common sense.This is not British problem,it is any country problem.
I don’t think it’s a case of Brits not doing menial work, it’s a case of not being able to afford to. For so many, this country can only be either capitalist, or socialist. Black or white, one screwing the other. Nobody seems to want a happy medium. Socialists want a total distribution of wealth, not a fair one, just as capitalists want a total stranglehold rather than a fair one. Blair and Brown totally ■■■■■■ this country, using a socialist disguise that sent us skint, to reap a capitalist agenda for years to come. By deregulating the finance industry, using a socialist mantra, they turned average Joes into paper rich people overnight. Then they dished out benefits to working people to allow capitalist corporations to screw the wages down. Love her or hate her, like Maggie said “the trouble with socialism is eventually you run out of someone else’s money”. Fast forward to now, a cleaning job in Kensington, take home pay £1000 a month, 1 bed flat in that area, £2000 a month. That’s before eating and bills and we are already 100% down. Lets commute, say from Berkshire, rent £1000 a month, but wait, that’s still too much rent and now we have £200 a month travel on top. The only way Brits can afford to do menial jobs is if they live with parents. The ee’s manage it as they share accommodation. I have 8 living below me in a 2 bed flat. Paying £50 a week all inclusive. How can the Brits compete with that?
volvo2:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
From foreign workers to British won alone WW2, that was quick escalation CF even for you
EE is ruled by mafia, after 4 decades of Communism, status quo is great for US, UK and other politicians. Do you think Bulgarian, Polish or Romanian people want this lawless crap our countries have become, no we don’t. But nothing will change for good when you have Washington DC, Downing street and few other against you. You saw what happen to Greece, do you think bankrupted EE countries after the fall of the Soviets had any chance but to play the music of US, IMF, World Bank, Western leaders demands, NATO, EU etc.
What do you think will happen if tomorrow the population of some country in EE have armed rebellion to change the system: UN troops, NATO troops, “Green men”(Russian soldiers like in Crimea)■■?To be fair it isn’t going to take an armed rebellion to call for a decent minimum wage across East Europe to make the place worth staying and working in and thereby developing the economy on proven Fordist lines.Instead of putting all their efforts into calling on Western European workers to keep bailing them out and/or wanting open access to Western European labour markets thereby driving down wage rates here.Or under cutting West European workers thereby taking their jobs in the movement of industry from west to east.
As for WW2 feel free to explain what stood between Hitler and the civilised world in the form of air power in late Summer of 1940.
Carryfast I think you need to read up on the history of WW2 The red army was the real reason the nazis were defeated. The red army marched and fought to reach and take Berlin No other country would have managed that. The british army didnt land on french soil and march to Berlin. The soviets suffered more losses than any other country. Love 'em or hate 'em the valiant red army were the only ones who set Berlin as the target and when they took Berlin that was the beginning of the end. They deserve respect for that and I for one salute them for what they did.
While you are correct in recognising the achievements of the Red Army, they were heavily dependent on hardware supplied by the USA via the Arctic convoys from Britain and the effects of RAF/USAAF air raids reducing German industrial output also had a very significant impact on the war on the Eastern front.
Conor:
Carryfast:
The inconvenient questions being if they are so industrious why is Eastern Europe such a backward basket case economy.Wow, its almost like you’re completely unaware of the almost half century of Soviet rule they were under where their countries were asset stripped and run into the ground.
We’re just over half way through our own Soviet style asset stripping operation too when you think about it, our demon is called the EUSSR and it has lots of on board bought and paid for lackeys in this country helping it to end game.
OK in theory its been 40 years of EU but the real purpose of the German dominated regime the de-industrialisation of our country didn’t really reach full throttle until the 80’s so 30 years and counting and still ongoing (desperately sad irony of trying in vain to cajole an Indian company to keep our last steelworks going 
), if you look at it from a lorry driver’s seat we’ve watched it happen with our very own eyes, you think of what we now carry compared to 40 years ago…makes us unique among the general population who rely on the mainstream media to summarise for them…which translates to tell them what they need/want to hear.
You’ve only got to remember all the factories, foundries and plants we hauled to and from or passed by every day that have vanished to be replaced by offices shops and housing, meanwhile thousands of acres of good green land built over to provide warehousing and infrastructure for food and cheap far eastern clothing distribution (as the population exploded and continues and will continue year on year which is what our economy is now based on, together with housing which goes hand in hand) and massive warehouses and infrastructure to store and move the huge volumes of Chinese tat we have to buy as we make nothing, not forgetting the other growth industry that of recycling all plastic tat so it can make more tat for us to buy with borrowed money.
I don’t actually blame the EU for being what it is a Soviet style corrupt semi socialistic cabal, and now showing its true purpose under the direction of the Merkel of destroying what is left of individual European nation states by mass immigration of non Europeans who will not ever integrate, divide and rule is always their way…plus it gives something for the media to report and winge about and keeps the real new order growing and gaining strength in the background.
I blame our own politicians and their bought and paid for lackey media chums for allowing our country to be systematically given away or sold, but my utter loathing is reserved for our own electorate who time and time again despite all they should have seen happening voted, turkey like without fail, for their very own Christmas, they did it again last year, i fear they’ll do the same again next month.
Ironically Polish blokes settled here i know are keen as hell on us leaving the EU, they can see whats coming when the great eurasian plan is complete…might be a bit of pulling the ladder up after you but who the hell can blame them for that.
Until then anyone with any sense is going to go where the money is, if they’ve got a work ethic they’ll do well, hence how well the EE’s have done in Britain, bloody good luck to 'em i say…note how they stick together unlike the Brits who in growing numbers seem to be lost and bewildered.
OVLOV JAY:
I don’t think it’s a case of Brits not doing menial work, it’s a case of not being able to afford to. For so many, this country can only be either capitalist, or socialist. Black or white, one screwing the other. Nobody seems to want a happy medium. Socialists want a total distribution of wealth, not a fair one, just as capitalists want a total stranglehold rather than a fair one. Blair and Brown totally [zb] this country, using a socialist disguise that sent us skint, to reap a capitalist agenda for years to come. By deregulating the finance industry, using a socialist mantra, they turned average Joes into paper rich people overnight. Then they dished out benefits to working people to allow capitalist corporations to screw the wages down. Love her or hate her, like Maggie said “the trouble with socialism is eventually you run out of someone else’s money”. Fast forward to now, a cleaning job in Kensington, take home pay £1000 a month, 1 bed flat in that area, £2000 a month. That’s before eating and bills and we are already 100% down. Lets commute, say from Berkshire, rent £1000 a month, but wait, that’s still too much rent and now we have £200 a month travel on top. The only way Brits can afford to do menial jobs is if they live with parents. The ee’s manage it as they share accommodation. I have 8 living below me in a 2 bed flat. Paying £50 a week all inclusive. How can the Brits compete with that?
As usual the point that everyone is missing is the difference between Fordist Capitalism v Victorian/Post Fordist.The Socialists obviously don’t want to understand the difference because it’s the inconvenient fact that stands in the way of their idiotic utopian ideas while people like Thatcher could then take advantage of the confusion.To put it simply the comparison is the living standards and relative freedom of living and working in the 1960’s US economy and to an extent 1960’s/early 70’s UK as opposed to the Soviet Union at that time.Ironically you weren’t going to find unions anywhere in a stronger position than those of such western workers at that time with living standards increasing to match.As opposed to their downtrodden exploited soviet socialist crippled counterparts.
Carryfast:
volvo2:
Carryfast I think you need to read up on the history of WW2 The red army was the real reason the nazis were defeated. The red army marched and fought to reach and take Berlin No other country would have managed that. The british army didnt land on french soil and march to Berlin. The soviets suffered more losses than any other country. Love 'em or hate 'em the valiant red army were the only ones who set Berlin as the target and when they took Berlin that was the beginning of the end. They deserve respect for that and I for one salute them for what they did.
Exactly where were the ‘Red Army’ in August 1940 and as I said exactly what aircraft type stood in Hitler’s way at that point.Bearing in mind that Russia was actually on the side of the Axis at that point in time. [/quote
That was the battle of Britain where were the yanks where were the anzacs that was your battle to win history records the red army taking Berlin at great cost to them where was the British army there they could never have taken Berlin.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
How do immigrants find jobs?Lets think about the eastern europeans in particular here.
Firstly they make themselves presentable, get off their arse at silly o’clock and go look for work, instead of expecting it to find them.
Their English, both spoken and written is usually of a decent standard.
When they get the job they do their best, are reliable and don’t take the ■■■■ with sickies and the like, are prepared to start at the bottom and soon, very soon, work their way up.The inconvenient questions being if they are so industrious why is Eastern Europe such a backward basket case economy.Reliant on UK net EU contributions among other economic sweeteners which in reality means the transfer of wealth from west to east.While still seeming to be incapable of sorting out their own place and society for themselves without bothering us,long after the Russians gave up on them.
Why has free movement of labour between the ‘Common Wealth’ countries historically been more a case of free movement between UK and Asia/Africa/Caribbean states than UK/Canada/Australia/NZ.Here’s a clue it has nothing to do with African and Asian workers being better brighter workers than Brits.
If Brits are the hopeless workshy lot you’ve described how do you explain the more advanced prosperous nature of the English speaking world v all the rest.While as I see it it was the industrial know how and determination of Brits that won WW2 when they stood alone against Germany.IE it wasn’t Polish or Romanian designed and built Spitfires that won it.
As for language skills yes we know English is a lot easier to learn and use than Slavic or just about any other language on the planet because again unlike their’s it’s superior.
It may not of been the poles who built the planes but 145 of them Poles flew them in the Battle of Britain and by the end of the war there were some 19000 Poles serving in the RAF
Carryfast:
OVLOV JAY:
I don’t think it’s a case of Brits not doing menial work, it’s a case of not being able to afford to. For so many, this country can only be either capitalist, or socialist. Black or white, one screwing the other. Nobody seems to want a happy medium. Socialists want a total distribution of wealth, not a fair one, just as capitalists want a total stranglehold rather than a fair one. Blair and Brown totally [zb] this country, using a socialist disguise that sent us skint, to reap a capitalist agenda for years to come. By deregulating the finance industry, using a socialist mantra, they turned average Joes into paper rich people overnight. Then they dished out benefits to working people to allow capitalist corporations to screw the wages down. Love her or hate her, like Maggie said “the trouble with socialism is eventually you run out of someone else’s money”. Fast forward to now, a cleaning job in Kensington, take home pay £1000 a month, 1 bed flat in that area, £2000 a month. That’s before eating and bills and we are already 100% down. Lets commute, say from Berkshire, rent £1000 a month, but wait, that’s still too much rent and now we have £200 a month travel on top. The only way Brits can afford to do menial jobs is if they live with parents. The ee’s manage it as they share accommodation. I have 8 living below me in a 2 bed flat. Paying £50 a week all inclusive. How can the Brits compete with that?As usual the point that everyone is missing is the difference between Fordist Capitalism v Victorian/Post Fordist.The Socialists obviously don’t want to understand the difference because it’s the inconvenient fact that stands in the way of their idiotic utopian ideas while people like Thatcher could then take advantage of the confusion.To put it simply the comparison is the living standards and relative freedom of living and working in the 1960’s US economy and to an extent 1960’s/early 70’s UK as opposed to the Soviet Union at that time.Ironically you weren’t going to find unions anywhere in a stronger position than those of such western workers at that time with living standards increasing to match.As opposed to their downtrodden exploited soviet socialist crippled counterparts.
As usual a complete biased rant
Juddian:
We’re just over half way through our own Soviet style asset stripping operation too when you think about it, our demon is called the EUSSR and it has lots of on board bought and paid for lackeys in this country helping it to end game.OK in theory its been 40 years of EU but the real purpose of the German dominated regime the de-industrialisation of our country didn’t really reach full throttle until the 80’s so 30 years and counting and still ongoing (desperately sad irony of trying in vain to cajole an Indian company to keep our last steelworks going
You’ve only got to remember all the factories, foundries and plants we hauled to and from or passed by every day that have vanished
I don’t actually blame the EU for being what it is a Soviet style corrupt semi socialistic cabal, and now showing its true purpose under the direction of the Merkel of destroying what is left of individual European nation states by mass immigration of non Europeans
I blame our own politicians and their bought and paid for lackey media chums for allowing our country to be systematically given away or sold, but my utter loathing is reserved for our own electorate who time and time again despite all they should have seen happening voted, turkey like without fail, for their very own Christmas, they did it again last year, i fear they’ll do the same again next month.
Ironically we’ll need to get our national pride back and faith in our own people and be prepared to be called ‘racists’ by people like Merkel and Cameron and his CBI masters to turn all that around.We won’t do that by stereotyping our own as workshy benefit scroungers.Just as Corbyn’s Socialist ideology won’t fix it. 
volvo2:
Exactly where were the ‘Red Army’ in August 1940 and as I said exactly what aircraft type stood in Hitler’s way at that point.Bearing in mind that Russia was actually on the side of the Axis at that point in time.
[/quoteThat was the battle of Britain where were the yanks where were the anzacs that was your battle to win history records the red army taking Berlin at great cost to them where was the British army there they could never have taken Berlin.
As I said we were alone in 1940 defending what was effectively a big aircraft carrier and holding area that allowed the Americans to help the Russians and us to finish it.The point being that was all about the know how and ability of Brit workers in making the aircraft that did it.IE there were no aircraft made anywhere in the world at that time which were up to the job of stopping the Luftwaffe from doing here what it did in Poland.As for the Russians as I said they were on the side of the axis at that time and probably wouldn’t have been able to stop Hitler without the help of America.Nor would they have even needed to being that their geography and climate would have done the job anyway without firing a shot had they just chosen to retreat to the Pacific.While without the unoccupied Britain that those aircraft saved there would have been no way that America could have saved Western Europe either from Hitler or Stalin.
mattecube:
It may not of been the poles who built the planes but 145 of them Poles flew them in the Battle of Britain and by the end of the war there were some 19000 Poles serving in the RAF
The point being who designed and built the planes.Not who flew them.