vince what i have said thats wrong tell me either here or in a pm
and my friend LET HIM WHO IS INNOCENT CAST THE FIRST STONE
or PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES;
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brit pete:
vince what i have said thats wrong tell me either here or in a pm
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Nothing mate, nothing whatsoever. It wasn’t a comment about you, just about German external politics.
Vince
Vince; Let me explain why this is what many firms are doing this to
firms that are based in germany which is where i live and have a job
if the person who is employed as a driver also drives a vehicle with
dangerous goods , It may be that the driver makes a fatal mistake with
takeing the wrong tank which is also posted with the same UN -NO;S
BUT has a different product he loads the tank drives to customer gets
told after they take a sample to take it back where upon it takes traveling time plus unloading time of two+days to emptey this tank.
what if the products had reacted differently it may have been a very serious chemical incedent,
IN GB on the JOBCENTER WEBSITE IT is exactly as i wrote and these jobs are in france,belgium,holland, and they all state you must speak their
language so what is wrong we can expect the same for any one who
wishes to work in GB TO DO THE SAME;
I’m not arguing with you, it was just a throwaway comedy statement.
Basil Fawlty… …“Well, you started it”
German tourist …“Ve did not start it”
Basil Fawlty…“Yes you did, you invaded Poland”
Hurry up and laugh before Lib gets here.
Vince
I have now unlocked this topic please keep it on thread or I will be forced to lock it again
pam
Site Admin
It is interesting that drivers carrying dangerous goods in Germany MUST speak German, due to health and safety laws.
What are the regulations in Germany, for foreigners applying to drive P.S .V.'s ?
I would be grateful if you could find out for me.
My original post was not about wages or rates, it was regarding people driving and carrying passengers, with no knowledge of the native tongue.
The same situation would apply if there happened to be a shortage of Ambulance drivers or Fire Appliance drivers in this country.
If a fully experienced crew came from abroad, and were qualified in dealing with medical emergencies or fighting fires in their own country, what would happen if they could not understand radio messages or read an A - Z ?
Thanks for all the replies.
Niall.
Just my two bobs worth, but have we not had “foreigners” driving for companies over here before?? I mean every driver i have spoken to that was a driver in the 70’s was on the Middle East run so how else did stuff get moved about■■? 
Or has someone been telling me porkies 
Vince:
Suffolk ReeferBoy:
. they are employed because they are CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAPPPPPP-And Poles are eu nationals, and are entitled to work anywhere in the eu, same as any other eu national.
But let’s face the truth. Poles are not taking over road transport, same as West Indians didn’t in the 1950’s, and Asians didn’t in the 1970’s.
There are a few. A tiny amount. I don’t doubt that there are ten times more women in road transport than Poles. Shall we start a thread each time we hear or one of them having an accident?
Vince
poles are not " taking over" as you put it they are just watering down the British driver pool in many companies and if you think there are "only a few , a tiny amount " I can only think that you should maybe look alittle bit harder, 
The fridge boys and girls of East Anglia will tell quite a diffrent story, Turners are getting into the 50s Fresh-Linc very high numbers , Hargraves Int has a high number of czechs and SOON they will be in a company near you
So as nobody has come on and told me how hard the eastern bloc truck test is I will continue to be of the view a monkey could pass the test , I have tried to ask the poles I have been unfortunate enough to meet through work and am only met with the eastern bloc vacant blank expression when this matter is raised in response I am normally EVER SO HELPFUL when telling them how to get to a delivery point.
I would say in our area there are many more eastern bloc sub standard drivers then women truck drivers, the women class 1drivers I have seen are head and shoulders above the poor quality eastern blocers I have had the misfortune to see.
As for a dentist being from wherever you said, I dont really have a problem as she must be a highley trained person, and not some low brow chancer who has heard Great Britain will take ANYONE with a dodgey licence 
cant speak english dont worry come on in 
If they want to come and work here make them pass the British LGV test , have a understanding that they must beable to speak , read and write English and then see how many are left after that , not many I would say.
Will I shed a tear as thomas 1,2,3,4,5,6,etc(as the majority appear to be called ) is forced to return home , leaving jobs for British people, 
NAH DONT THINK SO BUD.
I will wish them a cheery " SPIERDOLAJ"
What I dont understand is how come all these foreigners can come work over here no questions but we have such a haard time getting into european work. I thought that it was all supposed to be a level playing field? Obviously it is if you are German French Italian or any other Euro country, but British are not allowed to compete, thats why they are slapping all these silly working time rules on us. They know we’d wipe the floor with euro drivers if we didnt have both hands tied behind our backs. Their drivers would only do 48 hours a week while the British Bulldog could easily manage 80 without breaking a sweat. I suppose they have to keep us on a lead for their own good. 
When I read this thread, I think of a brass band playing rule britannia on the deck of a gunboat while redcoats take potshots at the natives.
Suffolk ReeferBoy:
I would say in our area there are many more eastern bloc sub standard drivers then women truck drivers, the women class 1drivers I have seen are head and shoulders above the poor quality eastern blocers I have had the misfortune to see.
As for a dentist being from wherever you said, I dont really have a problem as she must be a highley trained person, and not some low brow chancer who has heard Great Britain will take ANYONE with a dodgey licence
Can we keep things in perspective here this thread is about the dangers of under trained, linguistically challanged drivers being employed on britains roads when there are hundreds british citizens that would love help with the required british training in order persue a career in our haulage industry.
The female drivers you are talking about have taken the same test as you they drive the same wagons as you on the same roads, on the same runs . They also speak the same language.
The
" head and shoulders above the poor quality eastern blockers I have had the misfortune to see."
Is not something I would expect to see on the pages of trucknet and just goes to show the progress we thought we had made is just an illusion. May I point out that my licence is the same colour as yours and I have found no short cuts to gaining experience and a professional reputation. Sheeting doesn’t get any lighter because I’m doing it gale force winds don’t stop when I’m at work and it sure as hell doesn’t stop snowing because I’m behind the wheel. On behalf of the women on this site that have worked as hard to get the qualifications required to be professional HGV drivers as everybody else has here I hope people see what an insulting quote this is.
jack richards they have them
Ladytrucker, no offence meant, but I think you have read something in SRBs post that isn’t there.
I’ve read the post, again and again, and cannot see where he is insulting any women truck drivers or any of you TruckNet gals, - he’s not that brave, I’m sure !!
If you substitute “better than” for the word “above” in the wording of that post, perhaps that would be a clearer statement of SRBs opinion on the eastern bloc drivers’ poor standards compared to the ‘home grown’ variety, (of either ■■■).
As you rightly say, having passed the UK test(s) for driving Heavy Goods Vehicles which are, - (better whisper it in case anyone taking their test soon reads this ) - considered to be the most demanding in Europe, (and possibly the World), we are all equal, male or female, and that also gives each and every one of us the right to expect that other Nationalities should also attain the same ‘quality’ standard, BEFORE being let loose on our increasingly congested roads (and factory yards ! : )
And getting back to the original post:
Personally, I cannot for the life of me see how someone who doesn’t read, write or speak English should be driving a Stage Carriage Bus around Dudley and Stourbridge each day. (Even I have had trouble understanding a ‘Black Country’ accent in the past !!) 
Ladytrucker679:
Suffolk ReeferBoy:
I would say in our area there are many more eastern bloc sub standard drivers then women truck drivers, the women class 1drivers I have seen are head and shoulders above the poor quality eastern blocers I have had the misfortune to see.
As for a dentist being from wherever you said, I dont really have a problem as she must be a highley trained person, and not some low brow chancer who has heard Great Britain will take ANYONE with a dodgey licenceCan we keep things in perspective here this thread is about the dangers of under trained, linguistically challanged drivers being employed on britains roads when there are hundreds british citizens that would love help with the required british training in order persue a career in our haulage industry.
The female drivers you are talking about have taken the same test as you they drive the same wagons as you on the same roads, on the same runs . They also speak the same language.The
" head and shoulders above the poor quality eastern blockers I have had the misfortune to see."Is not something I would expect to see on the pages of trucknet and just goes to show the progress we thought we had made is just an illusion. May I point out that my licence is the same colour as yours and I have found no short cuts to gaining experience and a professional reputation. Sheeting doesn’t get any lighter because I’m doing it gale force winds don’t stop when I’m at work and it sure as hell doesn’t stop snowing because I’m behind the wheel. On behalf of the women on this site that have worked as hard to get the qualifications required to be professional HGV drivers as everybody else has here I hope people see what an insulting quote this is.
Sorry if I caused offence, none was meant as Deesider correctly stated.
It was made in reply to a statement made by someone stating that should we berate all Women drivers if one has an accident to which I replied I think the women drivers I have seen are better then the poor standard of eastern blocers I have wittnessed, maybe could have been written alittle more P.C. I suppose but I am not that way inclined
I dont really understand your comment about " the proggress we have made" I assume maybe incorrectly that you are revering to women drivers in transport Women have been driving trucks for along time in my area and I have yet to see any discrimination shown to them or seen any women truck driver make an issue of the fact they are a women truck driver, simple as that if a driver can do the job its theirs man or women.
Saying that if my daughters came to me in the years to come and say they wanted to be a truck driver I would be slightly concerned. (JOKE)
Parked up at dunkerque docks sat night thought I was in warsaw there were that many poles parked up,it not just the fact that the poles are working in the UK they are taking out from the UK loads at prices that most firms can not compete with.This was the same all the way down to the spanish border when parked up the places where full of not just polish trucks and drivers but duch and german trucks being drivern by polish guys,wait till they start under cutting the spanish and porto`s then some real sparks will fly.
come on your not sorry you are just trying to open a new can of worms… polish women drivers…
anyway i definatley wouldnt want my daughter driving a lorry sorry if it causes offence but thats my opinion and im sticking to it.
i also wouldnt want my son ( if i had one ) driving a lorry either i know some of you will disagree but tough thats my opinion as well
Suffolk ReeferBoy:
Sorry if I caused offence, none was meant as Deesider correctly stated.
It was made in reply to a statement made by someone stating that should we berate all Women drivers if one has an accident to which I replied I think the women drivers I have seen are better then the poor standard of eastern blocers I have wittnessed, maybe could have been written alittle more P.C. I suppose but I am not that way inclined
The Progress we have made was in reference to what I believed is the acceptance that women are equal in our position as HGV drivers but it seems that we still have a lot of work to do. 
and people hiding behind the PC bit is just a modern phrase of convenience. I’m sorry but you maintaining that women are better than the poor standard of eastern blockers I have witnessed is still IMHO a poor attitude and no I don’t take it as a compliment but is seems that we must agree to disagree just try to remember that the qualifications and the job in practice IS equal and we are matching you step for step.
Ladytrucker, I understand why you are upset.
Why make the comparison with women?
It would be more understandable to compare Eastern Bloc drivers with British drivers as opposed to bringing ■■■ into it. It is not a balanced comparison.
i treat women drivers the same as men and the same as polish drivers everyone gets treated the same in my book.
1… women drivers… if a women can rope and sheet and do steel with chains then she is a better driver than me cos i cant and wont. as long as women muck in and do the same job as a man they get treated the same.i will helpa women the same as i would a man if someone is struggling and i can help i will.
2… polish drivers… i dont like them being here im not racist i think they are driving down rates wages and jobs the fact is there is drivers who want jobs in the areas that employ them ive seen 2 firms this week from the same region … jack richards and knowles both with polish drivers now are you telling me in the wisbeach area they is a driver shortage no just that these 2 firms are keeping wages down what do you think their attitude is going to be when english drivers go in for annual wage rise… i will still help polish drivers cos they are just trying to better themselves its not their fault it is the fault of this bloody goverment letting in every tom ■■■■ and harry.
thats my rant over