For all thinking of not doing the dcpc

you better read this

commercialmotor.com/latest-n … Z_GDXVwbIU

If this is true it’s bloody scandalous :open_mouth:

The operator has done nothing wrong and yet they’ve been stopped from operating, unless there’s something more to this story the TC that suspended that operator should be sacked :unamused:

Having said that, this wouldn’t be the first time Tachodisc has got a story wrong, and they do sell DCPC training so …

The news that a PCV operator has been suspended for not carrying out any Driver CPC training sends out a very strong message to the industry, and shows just how seriously Vosa is taking Driver CPC, writes Tachodisc MD Karen Crispe.

Interestingly in this case, the PCV operator, which has until September 2013 to complete the required hours, was suspended by the Traffic Commissioner for not starting Driver CPC training.

It was noted by the Commissioner that despite the industry being given 10 years notice of the need for PCV drivers to hold the qualification by September 2013, including five years of active publicity, the operator had left less than six months for drivers to complete it. The Commissioner ruled that the company must complete three days Driver CPC training before the company can operate again.

Quite clearly from this PCV example, the risks of non-compliance are high and now a reality for LGV drivers. If drivers do not complete the required hours in the time, they will not receive their Driver Qualification Card (DQC) and will not be able to drive professionally. And, if LGV drivers do not carry their DQC while driving professionally after 10 September 2014, they as well as their operator/employer risk being fined up to £1,000 each.

Failure to comply also puts an operator’s OCRS at risk. A driver receiving a Graduated Fixed Penalty at the roadside would result in 25 points on the operator’s OCRS. And, if the driver is prosecuted for a Driver CPC offence, the operator would receive 50 points. Were the operator to be prosecuted, they would receive 100 points plus an additional 500 points. Any prosecution against an operator would cause their OCRS RAG (Red, Amber and Green) rating to go Red.

This illustrates why Driver CPC is important to both operators and drivers, and why LGV drivers need to start clocking up the training hours now, before it is too late.

TCs do have the prerogative to take whatever action they see fit against an operator. The problem is the legislation clearly states that drivers bear responsibility for ensuring they’re in receipt of the training.

So far, of the public enquiries I’ve read TCs have been careful how they word things using DCPC as a perceived solution to companies with drivers that have repeated :unamused: difficulty in remaining compliant with tacho rules. These cases are then subtly used publicly, as with this article, to try and push all operators into organising DCPC for employees. It also shows the TCs have a quaintly optimistic view of the quality of training likely to be provided on the average DCPC course. This is actually providing operator’s with a get out of jail free card, to a degree. They get hauled before the TC because some drivers have hours offences and the operator says ‘well we paid for them all to go on a JAUPT approved drivers hours course, like you asked, what else are we supposed to do?’.

Pushing operators into organising DCPC training is in the authorities interest, in trying to prevent the scheme failing, but it creates further apartheid between those out of or in sporadic work, who must fund their own training, and those in secure employment where training is provided for them. Ultimately, the Job Centre is most likely going to have to pick up the tab on DCPC for out of work drivers.

Aren’t the TC’s adjudications published on the interweb?

rtitb.co.uk/news/001215.html

The panic seems to be spreading !

Chas:
Aren’t the TC’s adjudications published on the interweb?

rtitb.co.uk/news/001215.html

The panic seems to be spreading !

He got it suspended for ignoring the TC’s advice, that’s asking for trouble!

Absolute disgrace, talk about communism…gets more like old Russia by the day…they will be telling you when to ■■■■ and not to ■■■■ next.

wildfire:
you better read this

commercialmotor.com/latest-n … Z_GDXVwbIU

What a load of bollox.

The only relevant section is the bit that ‘tachograph’ above has already picked up on : “and they do sell DCPC training so …” :bulb:

Nothing to see here, move along please.

No offence has been commited, it’s not September yet.
it’s like saying, “we know you’re not doing anything wrong, but we’ll lock you up just in case you do.”

The only relevant section is the bit that ‘tachograph’ above has already picked up on : “and they do sell DCPC training so …” :bulb:

I agree with that BUT the TC’s are pushing firms into PROVIDING DCPC training, surely that is a good thing as opposed to firms expecting drivers to pay for their own?

Pat

bloodoodle:

The only relevant section is the bit that ‘tachograph’ above has already picked up on : “and they do sell DCPC training so …” :bulb:

I agree with that BUT the TC’s are pushing firms into PROVIDING DCPC training, surely that is a good thing as opposed to firms expecting drivers to pay for their own?

Pat

I don’t agree. No one but myself paid for my HGV, my passport, my medical, or my digi card.
Why is this so different?

bloodoodle:

The only relevant section is the bit that ‘tachograph’ above has already picked up on : “and they do sell DCPC training so …” :bulb:

I agree with that BUT the TC’s are pushing firms into PROVIDING DCPC training, surely that is a good thing as opposed to firms expecting drivers to pay for their own?

Pat

They are only being asked to offer training, not pay for it!
My firm offers training, but he won’t pay for it, and any drivers not wanting to do it are informed that they will be unemployed after sept 2014.
Suppose it’s easier and cheaper to harass operators were drivers haven’t done any dcpc training.

A lot of firms I know do provide the dcpc training but the drivers still have to pay a fair chunk and give up some saturdays. In any other job,if you have to do a coarse for anything its always during working time and you get paid.

All drivers who have to pay for it themselves should not bother, just wait until next September and get put out of work. We will not have given up our jobs the firms will have told us we cannot work for them so we will have been sacked. When we all turn up at the jobcentre to be told that there are thousands of driving jobs out there to apply for and we say you will have to pay for our training because we cannot afford to due to being out of work. What will they do all the jobs we do now will still need doing?

surely the whole who pays for what has a simple solution , where the employer pays for the driver & then recoups the cost from wages thereafter & as long as the driver stays then it’s win win for all & the employers have fully qualified Dcpc drivers , if the driver leaves, the employer has had his investment back can pay for the next driver & the leaving driver has his card ready for the next employer.

Gives me the Idea in not driving after August 2014 to save the operator from getting Points!

tachograph:
If this is true it’s bloody scandalous :open_mouth:

The operator has done nothing wrong and yet they’ve been stopped from operating, unless there’s something more to this story the TC that suspended that operator should be sacked :unamused:

Having said that, this wouldn’t be the first time Tachodisc has got a story wrong, and they do sell DCPC training so …

The news that a PCV operator has been suspended for not carrying out any Driver CPC training sends out a very strong message to the industry, and shows just how seriously Vosa is taking Driver CPC, writes Tachodisc MD Karen Crispe.

Interestingly in this case, the PCV operator, which has until September 2013 to complete the required hours, was suspended by the Traffic Commissioner for not starting Driver CPC training.

It was noted by the Commissioner that despite the industry being given 10 years notice of the need for PCV drivers to hold the qualification by September 2013, including five years of active publicity, the operator had left less than six months for drivers to complete it. The Commissioner ruled that the company must complete three days Driver CPC training before the company can operate again.

Quite clearly from this PCV example, the risks of non-compliance are high and now a reality for LGV drivers. If drivers do not complete the required hours in the time, they will not receive their Driver Qualification Card (DQC) and will not be able to drive professionally. And, if LGV drivers do not carry their DQC while driving professionally after 10 September 2014, they as well as their operator/employer risk being fined up to £1,000 each.

Failure to comply also puts an operator’s OCRS at risk. A driver receiving a Graduated Fixed Penalty at the roadside would result in 25 points on the operator’s OCRS. And, if the driver is prosecuted for a Driver CPC offence, the operator would receive 50 points. Were the operator to be prosecuted, they would receive 100 points plus an additional 500 points. Any prosecution against an operator would cause their OCRS RAG (Red, Amber and Green) rating to go Red.

This illustrates why Driver CPC is important to both operators and drivers, and why LGV drivers need to start clocking up the training hours now, before it is too late.

mac12:
All drivers who have to pay for it themselves should not bother, just wait until next September and get put out of work. We will not have given up our jobs the firms will have told us we cannot work for them so we will have been sacked. When we all turn up at the jobcentre to be told that there are thousands of driving jobs out there to apply for and we say you will have to pay for our training because we cannot afford to due to being out of work. What will they do all the jobs we do now will still need doing?

is that a serious answer to the problem ?
the card is down to the driver to have not the employer, although an operator would have to be pretty short sighted not to get this all sussed by 2014. You will not have given up your jobs ? you’ve known for the last few years about this so there’s no excuse not to have taken action , as you know you will be unemployable as a driver & would be stupid to think any employer would keep you on with out the card so by your lack of action you’ve effectively made yourself redundant !

It’s attitudes like this that will see a far bigger influx of foreign drivers & companys do all our domestic work because brit drivers will be sat at job centers whinging that the country owes them a living

mac12:
All drivers who have to pay for it themselves should not bother, just wait until next September and get put out of work. We will not have given up our jobs the firms will have told us we cannot work for them so we will have been sacked. When we all turn up at the jobcentre to be told that there are thousands of driving jobs out there to apply for and we say you will have to pay for our training because we cannot afford to due to being out of work. What will they do all the jobs we do now will still need doing?

If you went that route, you wouldn’t even be able to get JSA straight away let alone free DCPC training, as you have effectively made your self unemployed.
You would also have to wait about 13 weeks after you qualify for JSA before they will consider you for any free training!

mac12:
All drivers who have to pay for it themselves should not bother, just wait until next September and get put out of work. We will not have given up our jobs the firms will have told us we cannot work for them so we will have been sacked. When we all turn up at the jobcentre to be told that there are thousands of driving jobs out there to apply for and we say you will have to pay for our training because we cannot afford to due to being out of work. What will they do all the jobs we do now will still need doing?

…and back in the real world…

Rob K:

mac12:
All drivers who have to pay for it themselves should not bother, just wait until next September and get put out of work. We will not have given up our jobs the firms will have told us we cannot work for them so we will have been sacked. When we all turn up at the jobcentre to be told that there are thousands of driving jobs out there to apply for and we say you will have to pay for our training because we cannot afford to due to being out of work. What will they do all the jobs we do now will still need doing?

…and back in the real world…

+1 :unamused:

cpc,what a load of bull crap,i’ve done 3 parts and work have paid so i can go on driving a 7.5 tonne.
no way you should have to pay for it,the firms getting the benefit.
i currently have a clean class 1 and without it could only drive a transit van,not even a pond hopper,who thinks of this stuff :unamused: