puntabrava:
So you think its a great idea if everybody earns £20 hr works 35 hrs a week and has a bmw on the drive? Doing what work tell me!! The world is a small place now and everything we produce here has to be competitive on a world market.
Explain these Farmer subsidies to me ? 
Carryfast:
puntabrava:
So you think its a great idea if everybody earns £20 hr works 35 hrs a week and has a bmw on the drive? Doing what work tell me!! The world is a small place now and everything we produce here has to be competitive on a world market.With the exception of the domestically produced Jag not the imported BMW that’s the difference between the Fordist model of Capitalism which I support v the obviously exploitative closer to Communism one which you obviously believe in.The inevitable eventual result being a UK economy which resembles something more along the lines of 1960’s Russia than 1960’s USA.
Jaguar owned by an Indian gentleman, but under your chosen party would your leader let him into the country? 
Mike-C:
puntabrava:
So you think its a great idea if everybody earns £20 hr works 35 hrs a week and has a bmw on the drive? Doing what work tell me!! The world is a small place now and everything we produce here has to be competitive on a world market.Explain these Farmer subsidies to me ?
Im not sure your bright enough to understand 
Mike-C:
puntabrava:
So you think its a great idea if everybody earns £20 hr works 35 hrs a week and has a bmw on the drive? Doing what work tell me!! The world is a small place now and everything we produce here has to be competitive on a world market.Explain these Farmer subsidies to me ?
The mugs amongst the general population pay a fortune in EU contributions so that some,usually Con voters,can have a few bob back in the form of kick backs.Having said that according to the news the supermarkets can’t afford to pay the farmers enough to make any money,even with those kick backs,because the low wages which the Cons support won’t allow the supermarkets to charge the type of prices which are needed. 
puntabrava:
Carryfast:
With the exception of the domestically produced Jag not the imported BMW that’s the difference between the Fordist model of Capitalism which I support v the obviously exploitative closer to Communism one which you obviously believe in.The inevitable eventual result being a UK economy which resembles something more along the lines of 1960’s Russia than 1960’s USA.Jaguar owned by an Indian gentleman, but under your chosen party would your leader let him into the country?
No under my chosen system Heath,Callaghan and and Thatcherism wouldn’t have happened so Jaguar still would have been where they were in the 1960’s. Domestically owned selling superior cars than BMW’s to the working class and management classes alike. 
Carryfast:
puntabrava:
Carryfast:
With the exception of the domestically produced Jag not the imported BMW that’s the difference between the Fordist model of Capitalism which I support v the obviously exploitative closer to Communism one which you obviously believe in.The inevitable eventual result being a UK economy which resembles something more along the lines of 1960’s Russia than 1960’s USA.Jaguar owned by an Indian gentleman, but under your chosen party would your leader let him into the country?
No under my chosen system Heath,Callaghan and and Thatcherism wouldn’t have happened so Jaguar still would have been where they were in the 1960’s. Domestically owned selling superior cars than BMW’s to the working class and management classes alike.
‘‘superior’’ I take it you have not owned one then? The reason British car manufacturers went down the pan was because the British car buyer did not want the product they made, supply and demand is the essence of business, no demand no business.
puntabrava:
‘‘superior’’
Supply and demand = value.Absolutely
The unions killed the car industry and most other industries too, with their unrealistic demands. Protectionism does not work. UKIP are following a similar path and will make the UK a backwater.
Janos:
The unions killed the car industry and most other industries too, with their unrealistic demands. Protectionism does not work. UKIP are following a similar path and will make the UK a backwater.
Unrealistic demands like a fair days pay for a fair days work by the expectations of a developed industrialised economy.
While by your logic zero hours contracts and minimum wage based on a rigged over supplied labour market,or outsourcing,by the lowest common denominator wage expectations is the way forward.Then to think those with your ideas think they can do all that without catastrophic deflation and economic stagnation being an inevitable result sooner or later.
puntabrava:
Carryfast:
puntabrava:
Carryfast:
With the exception of the domestically produced Jag not the imported BMW that’s the difference between the Fordist model of Capitalism which I support v the obviously exploitative closer to Communism one which you obviously believe in.The inevitable eventual result being a UK economy which resembles something more along the lines of 1960’s Russia than 1960’s USA.Jaguar owned by an Indian gentleman, but under your chosen party would your leader let him into the country?
No under my chosen system Heath,Callaghan and and Thatcherism wouldn’t have happened so Jaguar still would have been where they were in the 1960’s. Domestically owned selling superior cars than BMW’s to the working class and management classes alike.
‘‘superior’’
No, to be fair, and note this down as I rarely say this, but in his strange dream world Carryfast is right. Up to 1970, pre BL, Jaguar was a world beater producing amazing cars. British Leyland almost destroyed them. Then after a brief and very successful period of independence Ford almost drive them into the ground too . It says a lot for Jaguar is that over 30 years of very bad management didn’t destroy the brand
Carryfast, it is a global economy now, There is no deflation yet. Low oil prices mean a drop in the rate of inflation. It also means it offsets low wage increases. You have more money to spend. Be happy about that and less paranoid about rigged employment markets.
switchlogic:
No, to be fair, and note this down as I rarely say this, but in his strange dream world Carryfast is right. Up to 1970, pre BL, Jaguar was a world beater producing amazing cars. British Leyland almost destroyed them. Then after a brief and very successful period of independence Ford almost drive them into the ground too . It says a lot for Jaguar is that over 30 years of very bad management didn’t destroy the brand
To be fair again the Leyland tie up wasn’t the disaster for Jaguar it is often painted as.Firstly although sad Jaguar couldn’t have realistically survived with the loss of its outsourced body suppliers hence the BMH tie up leading to the Leyland Group merger.While ironically,contrary to destroying them,Leyland actually invested in new manufacturing facilities and Jaguar certainly survived ‘because’ of the Leyland era products like the XJ6/12 and XJS all of which being better cars than the German competition.As opposed to survived ‘despite’ the disaster which was the post Leyland era X type.
The issues in the 1970’s and 80’s being all about erosion of incomes in real terms while prices kept rising.The result being that Jaguar’s ( and Rover’s and Triumph’s ) previous 1960’s customer base amongst the working class vanished because it was forced down market in most cases.
While BMW just got on with selling what were just basically upgraded Ford and Triumph type designs ( 6 cylinder,steering box,McPherson struts front and semi trailing arm rear ) ,that rusted worse than FIATs,for twice a V12 Jaguar price,to uninformed badge snobs amongst the banker type classes.With residuals and survival rates to match when those bankers found out what they’d actually bought.
Janos:
Carryfast, it is a global economy now, There is no deflation yet. Low oil prices mean a drop in the rate of inflation. It also means it offsets low wage increases. You have more money to spend. Be happy about that and less paranoid about rigged employment markets.
I wouldn’t call around £1.10 per litre in an environment of around £7-10 per hour wage rates,let alone zero hours contracts,and the very real issue of the rigged global labour market,and rigged unemployment figures in the form of ‘students’ funding their own unemployment,anything to be happy about.
As for the difference between catastrophic deflation,as opposed to an increase in the value of the currency based on economic growth,not under that regime and I wouldn’t bet on the latter.Which just leaves the question of if/when concerning the former.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
No, to be fair, and note this down as I rarely say this, but in his strange dream world Carryfast is right. Up to 1970, pre BL, Jaguar was a world beater producing amazing cars. British Leyland almost destroyed them. Then after a brief and very successful period of independence Ford almost drive them into the ground too . It says a lot for Jaguar is that over 30 years of very bad management didn’t destroy the brandTo be fair again the Leyland tie up wasn’t the disaster for Jaguar it is often painted as.Firstly although sad Jaguar couldn’t have realistically survived with the loss of its outsourced body suppliers hence the BMH tie up leading to the Leyland Group merger.While ironically,contrary to destroying them,Leyland actually invested in new manufacturing facilities and Jaguar certainly survived ‘because’ of the Leyland era products like the XJ6/12 and XJS all of which being better cars than the German competition.As opposed to survived ‘despite’ the disaster which was the post Leyland era X type.
The issues in the 1970’s and 80’s being all about erosion of incomes in real terms while prices kept rising.The result being that Jaguar’s ( and Rover’s and Triumph’s ) previous 1960’s customer base amongst the working class vanished because it was forced down market in most cases.
While BMW just got on with selling what were just basically upgraded Ford and Triumph type designs ( 6 cylinder,steering box,McPherson struts front and semi trailing arm rear ) ,that rusted worse than FIATs,for twice a V12 Jaguar price,to uninformed badge snobs amongst the banker type classes.With residuals and survival rates to match when those bankers found out what they’d actually bought.
Well there we have it. I agree with Carryfast, so he finds a way to disagree with what I said. I’m out.
toby1234abc:
The German wage will be controlled as they are recruiting more Customs officers to check if they are being PAID correctly.
Don’t get too excited. The German minimum wage is €8.50 per hour or (£6.80).
switchlogic:
Well there we have it. I agree with Carryfast, so he finds a way to disagree with what I said. I’m out.
I didn’t totally disagree with what you said I was just pointing out that in fact the Leyland era Jaguars like the XJ6/12/XJS were some of the best cars the firm ever produced and way more advanced than the steering box and live rear axle Mk2 for example.Which the facts also show contributed to the survival of the firm.Unlike the massive losses incurred by the X type.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Well there we have it. I agree with Carryfast, so he finds a way to disagree with what I said. I’m out.I didn’t totally disagree with what you said I was just pointing out that in fact the Leyland era Jaguars like the XJ6/12/XJS were some of the best cars the firm ever produced and way more advanced than the steering box and live rear axle Mk2 for example.Which the facts also show contributed to the survival of the firm.Unlike the massive losses incurred by the X type.
Yes, they were, and BL effed up in the fact that they couldn’t keep up with demand. Any Ford era Jag is a mess. May have sold a decent amount but not a real Jag. This current incarnation, ie Tata era JLR is amazing. They know how to make the most of the brand. The F Type, the outgoing XJ and the BMW beating XE. No mean feat. I was a huge Jag fan as a kid, my uncle owns an XK140, but under Ford I lost interest. Tata have given me something to believe in again.
EastAnglianTrucker:
toby1234abc:
The German wage will be controlled as they are recruiting more Customs officers to check if they are being PAID correctly.Don’t get too excited. The German minimum wage is €8.50 per hour or (£6.80).
Thats true, but seeing as romanians/hungarians are some of the lowest minimum wages being about €1.10 per hour theres still a big difference.
A big Polish logistics company has already stated they wont be paying the german minimum wage to there polish drivers while driving in germany. And the polish spedition firms are already fighting the ruling.
A leveler/fairer playing field would be nice but i cant see it making much of a difference.
Concretejim:
EastAnglianTrucker:
toby1234abc:
The German wage will be controlled as they are recruiting more Customs officers to check if they are being PAID correctly.Don’t get too excited. The German minimum wage is €8.50 per hour or (£6.80).
Thats true, but seeing as romanians/hungarians are some of the lowest minimum wages being about €1.10 per hour theres still a big difference.
A big Polish logistics company has already stated they wont be paying the german minimum wage to there polish drivers while driving in germany. And the polish spedition firms are already fighting the ruling.
A leveler/fairer playing field would be nice but i cant see it making much of a difference.
And still the sheep think it is better to vote LabLibdemCon instead of UKIP.While all the signs are that Germany would also be better off out of the EU than in bearing in mind the cabotage issue amongst others.
Carryfast:
And still the sheep think it is better to vote LabLibdemCon instead of UKIP.While all the signs are that Germany would also be better off out of the EU than in bearing in mind the cabotage issue amongst others.
well I wouldn’t really point out cabotage as a major problem for germany, compared to the fact that in ten years time the average age of german population will be about 102 and I guess it will be better for them to be out of the Eu, better for the EU that is