That’s what it boils down to I guess. Paid hourly or job n knock.
I’m job n knock plus I have a lorry with a fast top end limit so I spend half my motorway journey in the middle lane. I’ve tried setting cruise control a few clicks down for a hassle free journey, but all the time I’m thinking that over 8 hours driving I could be 30 miles ahead and finishing up for the day so I just floor it.
the maoster:
What it boils down to is that I like a safety “bubble” in front of me and I can achieve that by letting everyone else go faster than me. Plus I’m hourly paid.
I drive along with my foot to the floor, or on cruise, whether thats a UK limiter at 90km/h or my one here thats set at 105 km/h. As soon as a truck pulls out to over take thats only marginally faster, I back off, they usually wave in appreciation of good manners and they’re on their way, I flash them in, they thank me and we all feel better. I then return to my previous speed once they’re a truck length or two ahead.
I dont know how you manage to show that much self control and driver slower, I couldn’t!
In answer to both Ched and Robinhoods posts, if I’m being truthful I admit that if I had a fast limiter then yes I’d be on it all the time (human nature and all that) but I’ve never been lucky enough to have a truck like that so as I don’t want to run in convoy I’ve trained myself to back off. Yes it takes self discipline, but after a while it becomes second nature, and lets face it, on these crowded roads all you do is reach the next queue slightly earlier!
Some very true posts in this thread.driving job is to being alone all day and flash is the only way to demonstrate manners on the road some kind of thank you , please etc…only problem is difference in judgement which comes only with experience.for ex newbie in corsa want to join motorway and you slowing down and flash to let him in and he thinks-stop! lorry! ending up by the end of slip lane and 5mph waiting till you pass him.what I was gonna say is flash may means different things to different people.when I was a kid I think flash it was only warning.
joker83:
Some very true posts in this thread.driving job is to being alone all day and flash is the only way to demonstrate manners on the road some kind of thank you , please etc…only problem is difference in judgement which comes only with experience.for ex newbie in corsa want to join motorway and you slowing down and flash to let him in and he thinks-stop! lorry! ending up by the end of slip lane and 5mph waiting till you pass him.what I was gonna say is flash may means different things to different people.when I was a kid I think flash it was only warning.
True I will never flash in near a junction and if im in the middle lane near a junction I wont move back to the “lorry lane” till im sure it’s completely clear regardless of if ive been flashed in 3 times by the truck I overtook earlier.
grumpybum:
I despair. It also isn’t necessary to say “please” or “thank you”, or to hold the door for the person behind you - so let’s stop doing all that too eh?
It’s courtesy, camaraderie and often helpful. It doesn’t hurt anyone and costs nothing. But hey, if it’s too much trouble for some people, maybe they should get a job on a checkout where “please” and “thank you” are usually dispensed with, along with any other unnecessary niceties like a smile.
another dangerous modern trend I see everyday is drivers readily moving to the outside lane of a dually to allow somebody to filter in ,as an act of courtesy . the driver filtering in often bullies their way in (without slowing)as if They have priority but sometimes theres no way you can move into the outside lane due to traffic ,so you brake potentially getting rearended - but its the filterer who should brake ,slow down and stop if necessary .
There were more professional drivers on the road before the HGV and then LGV licences came in. Drivers had a pride in their driving and courtesy to other motorists, The attitude of a lot of the modern day drivers leaves a lot to be desired.
benbailey81:
I know of at least 2 instances where a driver has been found guilty of causing an accident by flashing their lights
I have always believed that the flashing of headlights served the same purpose as sounding of the horn… ie… ‘to warn others of your presence’, and so I can’t think of any scenario where the flashing of my headlights could result in me being found guilty of causing an accident, surely it is the responsibility of ‘the other party’ to act responsibly when being flashed at?
goofy and friendly to all with flash happy antics youre kidding yourselves — you carry on flashing,flashing to let somebody out a junction , flash at a mate- one day somebody will misinterpret it and pull in/out into the path of summat and whose to blame eh
You sound just like the driver trainer where i work.
Been hit before by a van driver on slip road who genuinely believed that it was his priority to join the d/c and other vehicles should have moved over/slow down for him. To this day I still can’t believe that a bloke who drove from Devon to Peterborough daily genuinely thought this and how someone else couldn’t have removed his mirrors for him before my wagon did!
When safe to do so I will always back off a couple of clicks when it looks like someone is struggling to get past. With my job I drive all of the lorries on the fleets that vary from 53-58mph (yes I know that’s a bit naughty, must have been on old tyres when calibrated) so just see it as trying to help and reduce a long line of waiting cars.
My real gripe on this issue is drivers on motorways or d/c doing about 5 mph less than you, you pull out to overtake then see their cab lurch forward as they floor it. I often wonder how sad their life must be if this is their only entertainment. If they get kicks out of this kind of thing then surely retraining as a traffic warden/rdc goods in clerk is a better option?
Whats happened to everybody these days, as a few of you say its common courtesy to give a quick flash to let them know theyre clear, remember the days when we were nice to each other, helping the guy in front unsheet or sheet loads, we just dont help each other anymore. How many times does another driver just watch you back instead of sitting in his cab a watch you hit something then critisise on a site like this. You guys that dont flash are probably the ones who think you know how long you are and fill my windscreen with the back of your trailer by pulling in to close. Ive always done it (Flashed people in) and for those of you that dont flash me in its a good job you cant hear what im saying. Were all doing the same job lets go back to helping each other.
Trucker56:
Whats happened to everybody these days, as a few of you say its common courtesy to give a quick flash to let them know theyre clear, remember the days when we were nice to each other, helping the guy in front unsheet or sheet loads, we just dont help each other anymore. How many times does another driver just watch you back instead of sitting in his cab a watch you hit something then critisise on a site like this. You guys that dont flash are probably the ones who think you know how long you are and fill my windscreen with the back of your trailer by pulling in to close. Ive always done it (Flashed people in) and for those of you that dont flash me in its a good job you cant hear what im saying. Were all doing the same job lets go back to helping each other.
I couldn’t agree more mate with everything you say, and the part of your post that I have highlighted is what enables me today to separate the proper drivers from the… Knobs with a licence to drive a truck (as well as the ones that leave you in the centre lane and ■■■■ off,after you have pulled over to let them out.
The days of just taking for granted the Professionalism of a British truck driver, as you used to, are sadly long gone.
just occasionaly,a lorry that i’ve just flashed in will flick his sidelights on and off twice reminds me of the days when i drove a ‘proper’ Daf…in the '80’s
Thanks Robroy I think people need reminding that there are still some professionals out there.
I will flick the sidelights on DAFS to say thanks because i dont think the indicators on them respond quick enough, or quick flick of the 4ways.
I can never understand when on motorways why people want to pull in so quick with all the space there pull well forward and give us some space because if you do cockup or something happens in front of you i dont want to join your load in the back, besides we are not psv drivers so no passengers in the back allowed.
I must add that im trunking up and down the M5 on nights at the moment and most do pull well forward and say thanks. After all i get fed up talking to myself so i have to sing instead and you dont want to hear that.
Dave the Renegade:
There were more professional drivers on the road before the HGV and then LGV licences came in. Drivers had a pride in their driving and courtesy to other motorists, The attitude of a lot of the modern day drivers leaves a lot to be desired.
You have hit the nail on the head there Dave. It seems instead of offering a little help to someone most of them nowadays go out of their way to cut somebody up. Eddie.
carryfast-yeti:
just occasionaly,a lorry that i’ve just flashed in will flick his sidelights on and off twice reminds me of the days when i drove a ‘proper’ Daf…in the '80’s
I’m the same I always use my sidelights as a thank you there’s not many of us left now that do
Flash your lights when it’s safe for the motor that’s overtaken you to pull in. It costs nothing, takes next to no effort and makes driving safer. Use your common sense as to when to flash in and when not to, if you haven’t got any common sense, then park the lorry up and give up driving.
Yes, yes I know, professional driver blah blah, shouldn’t be on the road, nonsense! Just be a decent human being and offer a slice of common decency to everyone you meet until they prove they don’t deserve it.
Oh and while I’m moaning, put your lights on at night, they’re not just for helping you see, they’re for helping others see you!
I don’t flash 99% of wagons, I will flash someone who has their indicator on for ages and obviously is too scared to make the judgement, but for the rest of the trucking fraternity if you don’t know the length of your trailer then hard cheese, you will learn. Its hilarious when you get overtaken and whoever is driving said wagon takes a huff that I haven’t flashed them back in and pulls back over with NO indication. If I get flashed in on the rare occasion im going faster than another wagon I politely give one flash on the indicator and then pull in a few seconds after that with indication. I know how long my trailer is and will pull back over when I am ready