On Quest channel 12 Freeview at the moment .
Story about The Norman Atlantic .
It was on an overnight run from Greece to Italy when it caught fire on 4 deck for vehicles .
The photo is the ship in Bari Italy, a sobering sight as you board a ferry .
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grumpyken52:
On Quest channel 12 Freeview at the moment .
Story about The Norman Atlantic .
It was on an overnight run from Greece to Italy when it caught fire on 4 deck for vehicles .Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
The game changer was the Scandanavian Star fire.
Also Moby Prince and Salam Boccaccio.Although to put it into perspective at least with a ship there’s a chance to escape unlike the passengers of Swiss Air 111 or the Mont Blanc and Gotthard tunnel fires or possibly even the wrong type of tower block fire starting low down.
On that note it’s even more sobering to think that people routinely fly on aircraft with the possibility that a cabin fire which can’t be brought under control in the air just leaves the choice of sit there and burn or my guess as in the case of the Swiss Air example the pilots deliberately dived it into the sea. 
When I was at sea a fire onboard was my biggest fear, scared the s[zb]t out of me to think about it.
on my weekly trips on the IoW ferry,i notice that NOBODY listens to the safety messages parroted out every crossing.in event of an emergency…i would imagine it would be panic stations!
youd think thered be sprinklers on board these days
carryfast-yeti:
on my weekly trips on the IoW ferry,i notice that NOBODY listens to the safety messages parroted out every crossing.in event of an emergency…i would imagine it would be panic stations!
Same with flying…listen to something that may save my life? Nah! Waay too cool for that.
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Story related to Herald disaster:
(No, I didn’t have a puncture).
At the enquiry a fire alarm went off.
Most of the public assumed it was a false alarm, looked at each with shrugs of shoulders and grinning.
Those who had been on the ferry and escaped got up, and got out…
Franglais:
Those who had been on the ferry and escaped got up, and got out…
Except that in the event of a fire or a capsizing ship you’ll generally first be directed …to a muster station below decks even if you’re out on deck standing near the lifeboat/raft stations. 
TheUncaringCowboy:
When I was at sea a fire onboard was my biggest fear, scared the s[zb]t out of me to think about it.
But still much better than a fire on board an aircraft and the cabin crew saying sorry we’ve tried the extinguishers are all used up and it’s still burning.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Those who had been on the ferry and escaped got up, and got out…Except that in the event of a fire or a capsizing ship you’ll generally first be directed …to a muster station below decks even if you’re out on deck standing near the lifeboat/raft stations.
If you, as a passenger, have accurate knowledge of the nature of an emergency, risks associated with it etc, then maybe you can make a good decision on where to go.
If an alarm goes off, you will not be aware of exactly why, and if you choose to go into a deck downwind of a hazard, or through an exit above a fire, the you’re putting yourself at extra risk.
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As per normal C.F. chooses one particular instance and chooses to extrapolate a general case from it.
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Muster Stations are going to be, in most cases, the best places to be.
Nothing is fool proof or perfect.
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Those who had been on the ferry and escaped got up, and got out…Except that in the event of a fire or a capsizing ship you’ll generally first be directed …to a muster station below decks even if you’re out on deck standing near the lifeboat/raft stations.
If you, as a passenger, have accurate knowledge of the nature of an emergency, risks associated with it etc, then maybe you can make a good decision on where to go.
If an alarm goes off, you will not be aware of exactly why, and if you choose to go into a deck downwind of a hazard, or through an exit above a fire, the you’re putting yourself at extra risk.
.
As per normal C.F. chooses one particular instance and chooses to extrapolate a general case from it.
.
Muster Stations are going to be, in most cases, the best places to be.
Nothing is fool proof or perfect.
I don’t think the idea that muster stations should generally be on deck at the same place as the evacuation points not below decks is asking too much.On that note in most if not all cases you ain’t going to escape from a burning or sinking ship without first getting out on deck and they’ll have to sort out the best place in that regard anyway.On that note picture scene in some cases where you have to actually return to your cabin wherever it is in the ship to get your life jacket stowed in the wardrobe.
Carryfast:
TheUncaringCowboy:
When I was at sea a fire onboard was my biggest fear, scared the s[zb]t out of me to think about it.But still much better than a fire on board an aircraft and the cabin crew saying sorry we’ve tried the extinguishers are all used up and it’s still burning.
Yes, I’m sure if I was on the Be Ready with the helicopter unable to winch me off because of the conditions, my boots melting to the deck and having the choice of jump into freezing choppy water and grab a lifering or burn to death I would be thinking “hey, could always be worse, I could be on a plane.”
Bore off, bawjaws.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Those who had been on the ferry and escaped got up, and got out…Except that in the event of a fire or a capsizing ship you’ll generally first be directed …to a muster station below decks even if you’re out on deck standing near the lifeboat/raft stations.
If you, as a passenger, have accurate knowledge of the nature of an emergency, risks associated with it etc, then maybe you can make a good decision on where to go.
If an alarm goes off, you will not be aware of exactly why, and if you choose to go into a deck downwind of a hazard, or through an exit above a fire, the you’re putting yourself at extra risk.
.
As per normal C.F. chooses one particular instance and chooses to extrapolate a general case from it.
.
Muster Stations are going to be, in most cases, the best places to be.
Nothing is fool proof or perfect.I don’t think the idea that muster stations should generally be on deck at the same place as the evacuation points not below decks is asking too much.On that note in most if not all cases you ain’t going to escape from a burning or sinking ship without first getting out on deck and they’ll have to sort out the best place in that regard anyway.On that note picture scene in some cases where you have to actually return to your cabin wherever it is in the ship to get your life jacket stowed in the wardrobe.
On a current ferry I think you’ll find there are sufficient life jackets at Muster Stations to avoid the crew needing to send passengers back to collect more.
Having actually listened to the announcement on ferries I do recall hearing “proceed to the muster stations where you will be issued with life jackets”.
So, I find it hard to picture the image you suggest.
Do some ferries still have them in cabins? Possibly, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t enough elsewhere.
Carryfast:
return to your cabin wherever it is in the ship to get your life jacket stowed in the wardrobe.
you should have Googled a bit more … lifejackets on passenger vessels are stored at the muster stations not in a cabin wardrobe …
it wouldnt cost too much to have a few really long firemans ladders jutting out at all angles from the top deck for folk to climb out of reach of a fire ,just an idea in case any ship designers are reading this years later and looking to make their mark .
TheUncaringCowboy:
Carryfast:
But still much better than a fire on board an aircraft and the cabin crew saying sorry we’ve tried the extinguishers are all used up and it’s still burning.Yes, I’m sure if I was on the Be Ready with the helicopter unable to winch me off because of the conditions, my boots melting to the deck and having the choice of jump into freezing choppy water and grab a lifering or burn to death I would be thinking “hey, could always be worse, I could be on a plane.”
Bore off, bawjaws.
Biased pro aviation doesn’t like the truth.
Yeah right go by plane instead much better to fry in your plane seat with no where to go and no way out,than freeze in the water with a chance that the chopper or a lifeboat might still just get you out in time.
raymundo:
Carryfast:
return to your cabin wherever it is in the ship to get your life jacket stowed in the wardrobe.
[/quoteyou should have Googled a bit more … lifejackets on passenger vessels are stored at the muster stations not in a cabin wardrobe …
Really that’s definitely at least how it was the last time I crossed the Atlantic and think from memory similar from Genoa to Sardinia or Sicily.Oh wait.
youtube.com/watch?v=cr-OZFo0f-A 0.56-1.10
Remind us again what type of boat you drive.
corij:
it wouldnt cost too much to have a few really long firemans ladders jutting out at all angles from the top deck for folk to climb out of reach of a fire ,just an idea in case any ship designers are reading this years later and looking to make their mark .
Good start.
But make them extending ladders, so if the ship sinks everyone can climb up to safety.
Franglais:
corij:
it wouldnt cost too much to have a few really long firemans ladders jutting out at all angles from the top deck for folk to climb out of reach of a fire ,just an idea in case any ship designers are reading this years later and looking to make their mark .Good start.
But make them extending ladders, so if the ship sinks everyone can climb up to safety.
What could possibly go wrong.
corij:
youd think thered be sprinklers on board these days
On the ship on the program there were sprinklers, although not automatic, due to poor markings and maybe lack of training the turned on the ones on the wrong deck.
Like many disasters it wasn’t one thing that lead it to being so serious, but a chain of events.