SmashedCrabFace:
I’m not claiming to be perfect. In the past I have driven while tired, unable to focus properly and really struggled to keep my eyes open. I’ve used my phone while driving and even had a couple of blow jobs
How did you manage to see where you were going with your head down there?
DonutUK:
joedwyer1:
I seem to have trouble staying awake during mid morning for some reason. some days I have to turn the dance music right up and smash the [zb] out of the steering wheel to stay awakeIs this you?
Don’t think he has to have Energy drinks at work, either that or his had too many 
switchlogic:
Thankfully common sense prevails in our justice system.
Ha ha good one.
SmashedCrabFace:
switchlogic:
You know next to nothing about the circumstances of this accident, or for that matter mine, yet feel able to judge.Dude, I’m not judging you. You brought your ditch adventure into this not me.
Fair enough but that wasn’t really addressed to you
DonutUK:
joedwyer1:
I seem to have trouble staying awake during mid morning for some reason. some days I have to turn the dance music right up and smash the [zb] out of the steering wheel to stay awakeIs this you?
■■■■■■■■…I’ll be singing that all day now. 
Harry Monk:
SmashedCrabFace:
I’m not claiming to be perfect. In the past I have driven while tired, unable to focus properly and really struggled to keep my eyes open. I’ve used my phone while driving and even had a couple of blow jobsHow did you manage to see where you were going with your head down there?
Quality!
Er, I think switch is stating the obvious and Mr X is having an argument just for the sake of it.
On a tangent, saw a bloke pulling off a bay about 4 am this morning, went to shut his back doors and then proceeded to throw up a couple of times on the floor and then in the cab and away. Wether he was just ill or had a heavy night, I don’t know.
The chap who alledgedly fell asleep may or may not have had enough rest previously but I think just the act of being out & about in the wee small hours is against nature and we fight that nature to stay awake even if we aren’t short of rest, it may even make us feel physicaly ill to work what is an un natural pattern.
newmercman:
Sounded like a moan to me, but if you wasn’t you wasn’t…still sounded like it though
OK,…Go on then…Maybe… But only a little bit… 
Harry Monk:
SmashedCrabFace:
I’m not claiming to be perfect. In the past I have driven while tired, unable to focus properly and really struggled to keep my eyes open. I’ve used my phone while driving and even had a couple of blow jobsHow did you manage to see where you were going with your head down there?
Best answer/comeback this year
Harry Monk:
SmashedCrabFace:
I’m not claiming to be perfect. In the past I have driven while tired, unable to focus properly and really struggled to keep my eyes open. I’ve used my phone while driving and even had a couple of blow jobsHow did you manage to see where you were going with your head down there?
Brilliant.
Falling asleep at the wheel was a regular thing for me back in the early 90s.
Haunts me to this day been up the embankment on the m74 in wagon drag ,woke up from a 10 minute kip across the seats with engine running parked behind a caravan and dreaming I was awake jumping on the brake that was [zb] scarey .dundee and back in one hit regular 
,less than 9 hours off and on the road again. Falling asleep in broad daylight usually in morning rushour cause been driving all night this to me was how road haulage was. Back in the early 90s you were lucky to find a job so it was a case of put up or shut up I was only a young lad so had no fears felt invinsable(no excuse) and luckily had no accidents it’s taught me valuable lessons and experiences and would never do them things again. I would never judge a truck driver who’s fallen asleep at the wheel I’m sure he’s not done it by choice and it’s so easy for others to say “he should have pulled over” life’s not that simple who knows what pressures the drivers under or if indeed he intended to stop at the next services and just never made it there.
hells bells , most of us have done it at one time or another , learned from it and moved on . the self righteous and hysterical attitudes of some people stagger me . what next ? public floggings and hangings , heads on pikes at every msa as a warning ?
That’s a good point about going against your body clock you could start work on Monday at at 8am and by Saturday be starting at say 2am. Your tachos may be 100% correct but that can’t be good for your body. When I have worked regular set hours I have always woken just before the alarm goes off no matter what time I went to bed at but with different hours I tend to be totally nackered all the time.
kr79:
I’m sure I’m not the only one who has had a good nights sleep and have been barely able to keep my eyes open after an hour but other days I’ve done 10 hours driving and feel full of beans and could carry on for another couple of hours.
You have to have rules as some people would take advantage and become a danger but obeying the tacho laws to the letter won’t make you a safer driver.
Very well put.
This over tiredness issue is just my point in my " vosa-they dont give a (zb) "posts.
bernie_2:
This over tiredness issue is just my point in my " vosa-they dont give a (zb) "posts.
But how the hell do you expect VOSA to measure tiredness? You seem to have some very strange ideas about VOSA
That’s the thing vosa didn’t make the rules they just enforce it. Abd if your tachos meet the law what can they do.
switchlogic:
But how the hell do you expect VOSA to measure tiredness?
The same way they work out if you knew how long you’d be for that period of POA… by reading your mind.
life’s not that simple who knows what pressures the drivers under
Very true! when i worked in uk trunking for Reality (white arrow) we had a rota system ie week 1 nights,week 2 days,week 3 afternoons ect ect, my point is your body clock is confused to say the least!. One time returning from Newton Abbot depot at 4am i took out 2 miles of cones 
comming down towards the avonmouth crossing my buddy behind saved my life by ringing my mobile!!!.The thing is when i felt tired in the past i would stop for 15 but we had a tm that used to check the cards evertime you booked out,and you know what he said,why have you stopped!because i was tired was my reply, your not allowed to stop you should be fresh for a nights drive after your time off sleeping during the day! … This tm would never do nights because he could not sleep well in the daytime and was tired working nights. He was a rite zb always trying to dock you time,in the end i told him dock my 15 mins power nap id rather lose 15 mins pay than kill somebody.
SmashedCrabFace:
switchlogic:
But how the hell do you expect VOSA to measure tiredness?The same way they work out if you knew how long you’d be for that period of POA… by reading your mind.
Well some of us have never recorded a second of POA in our lives…