Olog Hai:
I know a bloke who cleans people’s drives for a living with a trailer-mounted high-pressure washer that he tows with a pickup-type thing. Without fail he drives home on a Friday evening after several pints in the pub. Crazy.
Hope you can live with yourself if he kills someone drunk driving,knowing you could’ve of easily put a stop to it.
TheUncaringCowboy:
msgyorkie:
Its a great idea…hopefully it will start to dilute the dregs of society that call themselves Lorry drivers.
There is a lot of dross driving heavys at the moment.Easy to spot, just look for poverty spec motors, usually from a fleet and the steering attendant wearing a hi vis and a gormless gawp, ear piece optional.
I take the opposite view. If there’s someone barging their way through traffic like a total idiot it’s nearly always a blinged up tipper. Getting overtaken by someone clearly doing over 60? Blinged up owner driver. Poverty spec motors usually mean limited to 52 and hourly paid and a safety culture forced onto them.
Obviously I’m generalizing but so are you.
jakethesnake:
Did my DCPC because I had to but I could do my job perfectly well before doing it. Taught me nothing because I already knew the rules and regs.
I sat in a room full of people who knew it all as well. When we were doing the adverse weather driving section they were blaming automatic gearboxes for being the cause of all their woes. Their faces were a picture when the guy taking the course, a snow plough driver, said his Merc snow plough was an auto and then showed that great Youtube video of the automatic gearboxed bus in Whitby going up a twisty hill without any issue.
Most non-driving job related courses and certifications I’ve had to do have had an exam at the end with a 85% minimum pass mark. One wonders how many know it alls like yourself would find a fail next to your name if the DCPC had a test at the end of it with the same minimum pass.
xichrisxi:
Olog Hai:
I know a bloke who cleans people’s drives for a living with a trailer-mounted high-pressure washer that he tows with a pickup-type thing. Without fail he drives home on a Friday evening after several pints in the pub. Crazy.Hope you can live with yourself if he kills someone drunk driving,knowing you could’ve of easily put a stop to it.
Get off your high horse you moralising dimwit.
Olog Hai:
xichrisxi:
Olog Hai:
I know a bloke who cleans people’s drives for a living with a trailer-mounted high-pressure washer that he tows with a pickup-type thing. Without fail he drives home on a Friday evening after several pints in the pub. Crazy.Hope you can live with yourself if he kills someone drunk driving,knowing you could’ve of easily put a stop to it.
Get off your high horse you moralising dimwit.
Don’t own a horse sonny jim.
Notimetoulouse:
i seem to remember in the dim and distant past H.G.V. drivers had two licences CAR/HGV totally seperate and could accrue upto 12 points on each
The book type HGV licence was still only an additional category.No points then.It was endorsements and three current endorsements meant a ban with no seperation of category types an endorsement for any offence while driving any type still applied to all categories held.The difference was that it was generally one endorsement regardless of the offence whereas now it’s variable points penalties which can result in loss of licence for fewer than three offences.The reality is that the penalty regime is being ratcheted up continuously with two offences meaning a ban and what would have been regarded as a traffic accident now quite possibly meaning jail time.
Notimetoulouse:
i seem to remember in the dim and distant past H.G.V. drivers had two licences CAR/HGV totally seperate and could accrue upto 12 points on each but of course thats been streamlined away in our Brave new world
as far as d.c.p.c. some of it is helpful and interesting but its bloody boring
being called a "professional " is complete ■■■■■■■■ if im a professional pay and treat me as a professional not as a scapegoat or an inconveniance to be tollerated under sufferance
Never ever knew about that■■? 12 points on each? In the dim and distant past there were no points, there were endorsements which were put on your car licence and if you lost that you lost your HGV as well unless I got it all wrong?
Conor:
jakethesnake:
Did my DCPC because I had to but I could do my job perfectly well before doing it. Taught me nothing because I already knew the rules and regs.I sat in a room full of people who knew it all as well. When we were doing the adverse weather driving section they were blaming automatic gearboxes for being the cause of all their woes. Their faces were a picture when the guy taking the course, a snow plough driver, said his Merc snow plough was an auto and then showed that great Youtube video of the automatic gearboxed bus in Whitby going up a twisty hill without any issue.
Most non-driving job related courses and certifications I’ve had to do have had an exam at the end with a 85% minimum pass mark. One wonders how many know it alls like yourself would find a fail next to your name if the DCPC had a test at the end of it with the same minimum pass.
You sound like a happy chappy! For you imformation I have a National and International CPC which I had to sit a proper exam and pass.
I have ran my own business in the past and employed drivers, some like yourself did not last very long however because they think they know all about somthings when they do not.
However I know exactly what you are talking about. There were plenty dopey gits there when I did mine thinking they knew it all and knew sweet FA.
dim and very distant past then…! i stand corrected.
jakethesnake:
Conor:
jakethesnake:
Did my DCPC because I had to but I could do my job perfectly well before doing it. Taught me nothing because I already knew the rules and regs.I sat in a room full of people who knew it all as well. When we were doing the adverse weather driving section they were blaming automatic gearboxes for being the cause of all their woes. Their faces were a picture when the guy taking the course, a snow plough driver, said his Merc snow plough was an auto and then showed that great Youtube video of the automatic gearboxed bus in Whitby going up a twisty hill without any issue.
Most non-driving job related courses and certifications I’ve had to do have had an exam at the end with a 85% minimum pass mark. One wonders how many know it alls like yourself would find a fail next to your name if the DCPC had a test at the end of it with the same minimum pass.
You sound like a happy chappy! For you imformation I have a National and International CPC which I had to sit a proper exam and pass.
I have ran my own business in the past and employed drivers, some like yourself did not last very long however because they think they know all about somthings when they do not.
However I know exactly what you are talking about. There were plenty dopey gits there when I did mine thinking they knew it all and knew sweet FA.
I got my National CPC in 1992 and have never had reason to use it. Having it did upset a couple of people where I worked because I was better qualified than them.
cheekymonkey:
I take the opposite view. If there’s someone barging their way through traffic like a total idiot it’s nearly always a blinged up tipper. Getting overtaken by someone clearly doing over 60? Blinged up owner driver. Poverty spec motors usually mean limited to 52 and hourly paid and a safety culture forced onto them.
Obviously I’m generalizing but so are you.
I guess we’ve found the hi vis plobber.
Safety culture = need their hands held through everything and are without fail problem finders who can’t think for themselves.
TheUncaringCowboy:
cheekymonkey:
I take the opposite view. If there’s someone barging their way through traffic like a total idiot it’s nearly always a blinged up tipper. Getting overtaken by someone clearly doing over 60? Blinged up owner driver. Poverty spec motors usually mean limited to 52 and hourly paid and a safety culture forced onto them.
Obviously I’m generalizing but so are you.I guess we’ve found the hi vis plobber.
Safety culture = need their hands held through everything and are without fail problem finders who can’t think for themselves.
^^^
This
‘Speed kills’ brainwashed into them and a different interpretation of the ‘rules’ and exploring the grey areas automatically makes for a bad driver plus…of course… a blinged up truck also being a no no… 
AndrewG:
‘Speed kills’ brainwashed into them and a different interpretation of the ‘rules’ and exploring the grey areas automatically makes for a bad driver
Speed doesn’t kill, idiots driving fast kill, idiots driving slow kill, idiots maintaining the speed limits religiously kill, think we have a common theme appearing here!
The point is speed is only a factor if you were doing the wrong speed for that given situation.
TheUncaringCowboy:
cheekymonkey:
I take the opposite view. If there’s someone barging their way through traffic like a total idiot it’s nearly always a blinged up tipper. Getting overtaken by someone clearly doing over 60? Blinged up owner driver. Poverty spec motors usually mean limited to 52 and hourly paid and a safety culture forced onto them.
Obviously I’m generalizing but so are you.I guess we’ve found the hi vis plobber.
Safety culture = need their hands held through everything and are without fail problem finders who can’t think for themselves.
Just to be clear, I work for a company who pretty much leave it to the drivers to look after themselves and have a laid back approach to H&S …NO VIZ NEEDED for instance in their yard at least and that’s one of the reasons I work for them. It’s nice to have a pop at RDC drivers of course it is, but I don’t think they’re the biggest menace on our roads. That’s just my observation based on 30yrs in transport. As soon as you introduce job n knock or in the case of tippers…load bonus you sacrifice road safety. I’m just saying.
Reef:
AndrewG:
‘Speed kills’ brainwashed into them and a different interpretation of the ‘rules’ and exploring the grey areas automatically makes for a bad driverSpeed doesn’t kill, idiots driving fast kill, idiots driving slow kill, idiots maintaining the speed limits religiously kill, think we have a common theme appearing here!
The point is speed is only a factor if you were doing the wrong speed for that given situation.
Help me out here. If I understand you correctly as long as your not an idiot you can drive fast in the right situation?
One big problem there. Most idiots do not think they are idiots and a lot of drivers do not have the ability to know when it is safe to drive ‘fast’ as you put it hence why there are so many speed related accidents.
As far as a professional driver is concerned better to stick to the speed limits and try to gain back some good reputation eh?
jakethesnake:
Reef:
AndrewG:
‘Speed kills’ brainwashed into them and a different interpretation of the ‘rules’ and exploring the grey areas automatically makes for a bad driverSpeed doesn’t kill, idiots driving fast kill, idiots driving slow kill, idiots maintaining the speed limits religiously kill, think we have a common theme appearing here!
The point is speed is only a factor if you were doing the wrong speed for that given situation.
Help me out here. If I understand you correctly as long as your not an idiot you can drive fast in the right situation?
One big problem there. Most idiots do not think they are idiots and a lot of drivers do not have the ability to know when it is safe to drive ‘fast’ as you put it hence why there are so many speed related accidents.
As far as a professional driver is concerned better to stick to the speed limits and try to gain back some good reputation eh?
Speed itself doesnt kill, its going too fast for the type of road/ road conditions/ lack of concentracion that cause the problems. On D and N roads ill always knock it back but on AR’s/ AP’s its fttm…the roads are good and the trucks more than capable, nothing at all wrong with that…
jakethesnake:
If I understand you correctly as long as your not an idiot you can drive fast in the right situation?
No I don’t think you do, I never stated or advocated driving fast in any situation I clearly stated that it is most likely the ‘idiot factor’ that contributes to incidents (that weren’t mechanical or other unforeseen or unavoidable circumstances) and that speed is rarely if ever the sole cause, in other words, if it’s an idiot behind the wheel then he/she can crash at any speed, even backwards.
Reef:
jakethesnake:
If I understand you correctly as long as your not an idiot you can drive fast in the right situation?No I don’t think you do, I never stated or advocated driving fast in any situation I clearly stated that it is most likely the ‘idiot factor’ that contributes to incidents (that weren’t mechanical or other unforeseen or unavoidable circumstances) and that speed is rarely if ever the sole cause, in other words, if it’s an idiot behind the wheel then he/she can crash at any speed, even backwards.
Sorry but I do not know quite what you are trying to say? Are you saying that in some situations you can drive fast as long as you are not an idiot?
Are you saying drivers that are not idiots do not crash?
How do you class an idiot? Somebody you think is an idiot may not be but I might think he is. It’s not as straight forward as you seem to think!
Also if you do some research you will find speed has been the only cause.
In the case of HGV’S usually the faster they are going the more damage they will do so probably best to stick to speed limits?
Reef:
AndrewG:
‘Speed kills’ brainwashed into them and a different interpretation of the ‘rules’ and exploring the grey areas automatically makes for a bad driverSpeed doesn’t kill, idiots driving fast kill, idiots driving slow kill, idiots maintaining the speed limits religiously kill, think we have a common theme appearing here!
The point is speed is only a factor if you were doing the wrong speed for that given situation.
Fincham:
Reef:
AndrewG:
‘Speed kills’ brainwashed into them and a different interpretation of the ‘rules’ and exploring the grey areas automatically makes for a bad driverSpeed doesn’t kill, idiots driving fast kill, idiots driving slow kill, idiots maintaining the speed limits religiously kill, think we have a common theme appearing here!
The point is speed is only a factor if you were doing the wrong speed for that given situation.
So according to your philosophy everybody else on the road is an idiot and they all kill other people. Having witnessed driving in South Wales I accept that it has more than it’s fair share of idiots but they don’t all kill. Some of them reach their destination without any serious incidents. This is mainly because other people take appropriate avoiding action.