Gutted. Did uncouple fine, swung tractor round to park at the side etc, backed mudguards under, lifted suspension, backed in, dogclip on. Jumped up to do susies and one of the electric lines wouldnt go in. Kept trying, examiner said is it in right one which it was, had a feel at the pin and it was split open wide, so i pinched it together as best as i could and half the pin fell out. Flustered as ■■■■ at this point, finished off, jumped down, heads a shed now.Anyway he stands there and says we are gonna reverse now and asks if ive forgot anything. Then tells me about trailer legs which are still down, trailer brake is still on of course, i hot foot it round the other side and wind up and release brake. Do reverse go out for drive no probs 3 minors , get back and says i failed for not winding up legs. ■■■■■■ off is an understatment coz the bloody thing woulnt have moved if 2 tractors were pulling it so no danger to vehicle or anyone if id have tried to move off , am i being unreasonable in thinking like this ?
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No reply from pstt who i trained with ! I dont think this was a outright fail but i may be wrong. If a car driver tried to pull off with their handbrake on it would be at worst a minor fault. I never moved the tractor and was deemed a major ! Very very ■■■■■■ off.
The thing to do is take it on the chin & pass next time without getting flustered, you can’t change the decision so no point getting wound up over it.
I appreciate your comment that you cant change anything but do you think it was absolute bollox the reason i was failed. If id pulled the trailer forward withe the legs down and the trailer brake on would this have resulted in anything other than the tractor unit lifting slightly or god forbid stall. How this is a major fault is beyond me.
No reply from pstt who i trained with !
Sorry, didn’t know you had trained with us.
It seems that if you had done the legs and brake when he asked you, then the result would have been quite different.
Unfortunately, having not completed the procedure, it becomes a serious fault.
Really sorry it didn’t come out right for you this time; hopefully it will be better next time around.
Pete 
How is it a serious fault. I didnt move the unit and if i did it wouldnt have gone an inch. How can that be enough to fail you. On a different note would you pm me please Pete ?
This shouldn’t happen on here questioning your training provider about your fail.
End of the day it’s the examiners decision and should of been explained on the debrief.
I’m sorry to hear about your result but please have some respect for Peter.
Paul
mamil:
How is it a serious fault. I didnt move the unit and if i did it wouldnt have gone an inch. How can that be enough to fail you. On a different note would you pm me please Pete ?
You didnt complete the couple/uncouple. Its that simple. He gave you the chance to sort it an you didnt. Therefore you failed to complete the manouver. So a serious fault.
If it was a trailer dropped in wet ground or icy then you could of dragged the trailer even with the trailer brake on and bent the legs and ruined the tyres…that’s probably why they classed it as a serious fault.
Either way if your not happy then your argument lies with the examiner not your trainer so you should m,if that’s what you want to do,look at making a complaint as detailed in the fail form but personally I don’t think it’ll get you anywhere.
That sounds like a valid reason for failure to me, sorry
The test marking sheet can be seen here, which is the bit of paper the examiner is writing on (or not) during your test. Not all of this is applicable in the case of LGV, such as turn in the road, but it covers most tests as I understand it.
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I suspect it’s a case of number 10 seems to be a pass or fail, rather than one of the longer boxes where they can introduce minors. Since the examiner had to state that you’d forgotten the legs, at that point the couple/uncouple part of the test is a fail as it would be for most parts of any driving test. In their terms, you failed to complete the procedure in the required manner.
Examiners don’t have the luxury of stating whether there’s a risk posed to the public or the vehicle, they have to follow a strict code which is laid down in their training and on that sheet. One advantage is, you’ve now got one test under your belt so next time there’s likely to be a lot less nerves and you’ll likely sail it…maybe without any minors at all.
As stated by others, the examiners job is to assess whether the exercise has been completed to the set criteria.
By not raising the legs and releasing the brake, you haven’t created a dangerous situation as you say. You would’ve tried to move the truck and realised the problem. However, if the trailer brake is on the front of the trailer as it is on many, what’s to say you wouldn’t get out of the cab and release the brake without realising the legs were still down? You could then drive away and damage the legs.
Just because the situation as it happened today wasn’t in itself dangerous, it could potentially be in future. Hence the black and white approach to marking of tests, examiners need to be assured of competence and understanding 100% in all scenarios.
Thanx for replies, just think it was harsh. Not criticising my training provider, my trainer Chris was first class in every way.
Your instructor should have informed you that if an examiner asks …
mamil:
if ive forgot anything
Then you should check the whole procedure again from the start
So did your instructor tell you that 
That examiner question means you have forgotten something but they are not allowed to say so it is one way they get around it
ROG:
Your instructor should have informed you that if an examiner asks …mamil:
if ive forgot anythingThen you should check the whole procedure again from the start
So did your instructor tell you that
That examiner question means you have forgotten something but they are not allowed to say so it is one way they get around it
Lol Rog
The instructors job is to train the candidate to do it right.
I’m afraid mental blocks do happen in test conditions.
However examiners do prompt which should set the alarm bells off
Paul 
To be honest I’m sure he spotted your nerves and how flustered you where, and give you enough chances! I think the problem is this, and correct me if I’m wrong, but me reading through this forum especially the “newbie” section, is that Peter Smythe posts that much crap about driving and training that newbies fall for it hook line and sinker, sponsors the “newbie” section has 2 pinned posts selling “offers” was the home of this and that, if ya didn’t past 1st time you got the 2nd go free, approved yard, I’ve paid this for concrete blah blah blah! Newbies need to take the glasses off, id say this op has been hoodwinked in to thinking he will pass 1st go! End of the day ya cocked up due to nerves, and no amount of Peters can cure that!
What a load of tripe!! Since when have I ever told, implied or anything else that someone will pass first time??
Get your facts straight then come back.
Pete
i passed class 2 with chris at pstt last week and cannot fault him ! he did say the examiner will prompt you if they can but I think a bit of luck comes into on the day 
chin up and carry on
If you forgot to lift the legs when coupling who’s to say you won’t forget to drop them when uncoupling! Even with the brake on you can damage the legs.
Harsh to say but it’s not down to the examiner, trainer or training company, it’s you who was doing the test.