FAI: Glasgow Bin Lorry Crash

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As many here know a long time ago I had a blackout I informed my Dr who immediately took me off the road he did inform DVLA as if was his responsibality to do so I was then sent for many test over the coming weeks / mth ( it has been documented in the Health forum ) he wanted no stone left unturned so a long slow process

I then had to fight DVLA for my car licence back then another medical by my own Dr to have my HGV put on I then had to fight DVLA again for over 5 mth

So far not had another when my medical was up after 5 years I did pay the extra & went to see my own GP he was happy to fill in for me np so it can easy be done by going to another GP who docent know you & if you don’t tel him then he is none the wiser

If I had blacked out at the wheel weather fatal or not I don’t think I would trust myself to reapply for my licence yes it would be hard as I would then have no income so how much do you tell your employer about your medical history :question:

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instead of driving the bin lorry he could have just been one of the crew surely.looks as though he could do with the exercise…

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The-Snowman:

TheBorg:
most folk are directing their anger in the wrong direction.

Yes of course. 30 years of having black outs, lying on his license form, lying to medics, refusing to answer questions at a FAI, applying to get his license back 4 months later despite the blackouts obviously still being a problem and lying to his employers regarding his medical history. Your right, the drivers innocent in all this :unamused:
Sure the system has a pretty big flaw in relying on someones honesty. But exploiting this loophole and killing 6 people then not appearing to even care doesnt mean the system is to blame. Its the one who lied so he could keep driving a 26 tonne vehicle through crowded streets

+1

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if he wasnt working for the council and was an owner driver or even working for biffa waste then there would be a different slant on it and he would be hung out to dry…he will still be looking for a council payout/trauma/stress/unable to return to work/offered alternative binny employment, for not being able to work again etc ,moreso if he loses his licence,and if the council were to crucify him,then all the binnys would be out on strike to cover their own backs in case it happens to them with chaotic and expensive consequences for the council.ergo,just wait quietly for him to say what he has been instructed to say,and wait till the heat dies down,then kissed off with a golden handshake for being a good boy and keeping the councils insurance claim at a minimum.he must know someone in the handshakers club to get a job on the bins directly for the council anyway as the jobs not exactly on offer very often.the FAI will no doubt smokescreen it with driver error as its alays the cheapo option for anything like this,and if theres a private prosecution coming then you cant get blood from a stone,so hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money(legal aid no doubt for the victims family ) thrown down the pan.if they lose,they get nothing,if they win,they get nothing,apart from whatever the press bung them for a tearjerker sob story.

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Inquiry Report out Today , makes some interesting points

Report Glasgow bin lorry crash: Family to prosecute Harry Clarke - BBC News

Summary of Key Points Key points: The Glasgow bin lorry crash report at-a-glance - BBC News

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Casual Observer:
Inquiry Report out Today , makes some interesting points

Report Glasgow bin lorry crash: Family to prosecute Harry Clarke - BBC News

Summary of Key Points Key points: The Glasgow bin lorry crash report at-a-glance - BBC News

just the usual,bury it waffle.lessons will be learned etcetc…and the fams wasting their breath taking out a private prosecution against a dude who is no doubt on the dla,dole on a council house…you cant rip the breeks from a highlander…blood from stone,no point whatsoever and a complete waste of someones money. ( I wonder if its their own money,or whatever got raked in from appeals ).

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pretty standard and not very clever response imho: more regulations, bans, etc. of course no one is interested in fixing the actual root cause: modern day financial slavery, poverty and unemployent

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Priest:
pretty standard and not very clever response imho: more regulations, bans, etc. of course no one is interested in fixing the actual root cause: modern day financial slavery, poverty and unemployent

CID… carryfast in disguise. :slight_smile:

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Must admit I glossed over the usual rubbish in the report, but having said that, who can blame the families for wanting him to pay. He knew that something could go badly wrong and it’s cost others their lives. I had my HC (heavy combination) licence taken off me because I was up front with telling the Qld government mob about the head injury that’s made me unfit to drive big stuff. Why didn’t he do the same ? Finances don’t come in to it, it’s hit us hard financially, but I put other things above all that.

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Have they still not found out why any of the other members of the crew couldn’t pull the handbrake, assuming they were in the cab? A Daf CF handbrake is pretty easy to grab from the passenger seat, and you don’t need to be a lorry driver to know what it does.

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peterm:
Must admit I glossed over the usual rubbish in the report, but having said that, who can blame the families for wanting him to pay. He knew that something could go badly wrong and it’s cost others their lives. I had my HC (heavy combination) licence taken off me because I was up front with telling the Qld government mob about the head injury that’s made me unfit to drive big stuff. Why didn’t he do the same ? Finances don’t come in to it, it’s hit us hard financially, but I put other things above all that.

Probably because you are a responsible driver with a sense of decency.

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Muckaway:
Have they still not found out why any of the other members of the crew couldn’t pull the handbrake, assuming they were in the cab? A Daf CF handbrake is pretty easy to grab from the passenger seat, and you don’t need to be a lorry driver to know what it does.

As far as I know, they don’t sit next to the driver in these bin trucks. They sit behind the driver on a crew seat where the bunk would be on a normal CF, with a metal rail dividing them.

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If any of us were to ask the doctor to take away our vocational licence would we be entitled to job seekers allowance ,or would they say that you made yourself unemployable.just asking like.

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alamcculloch:
If any of us were to ask the doctor to take away our vocational licence would we be entitled to job seekers allowance ,or would they say that you made yourself unemployable.just asking like.

Depends as you may be entitled to ESA ( sick pay ) you would have to then go in front of a person who would decide if you were fit for work ( prob yes with this government ) but that can take a while

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animal:

alamcculloch:
If any of us were to ask the doctor to take away our vocational licence would we be entitled to job seekers allowance ,or would they say that you made yourself unemployable.just asking like.

you would have to then go in front of a person who would decide if you were fit for work ( prob yes with this government ) but that can take a while

I think the way it works is if you can get to the fitness for work review means you’re fit for work and if you don’t turn up it means you’re not interested in work, either way they stop your benefits. :wink:

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if you can make it there,then your fit to travel,if you can walk unaided,your fit to work,if you can speak to the " medical professional" ( they wont tell you what qualifications these people have though there definately not doctors,but will be some kind of social worker,physiotherapist etc.) then you can communicate,and fit for work,if you can ask the doorman where the office is,same again,if you can sit for 10 mins without pain or moving ,then your fit.if you can lift a kettle and make a cup of tea…same story.if you go alone…same story.it wont matter if your doctor has signed you on the sick for weeks or years,if the fanny decides your fit,then your binned from esa and then the fun starts when you appeal.you can sign on the sick for 13 weeks on jobseekers then they refuse to pay you,you can apply for esa,same dosh,after 6 months,they want you to go for the examination,you can cancel this several times as unfit to travel,then theres a bottom line,appear,or get dealt with in your absence,you will then get binned from esa,then you appeal and get kept on esa,then you go in front of a doc,and solicitor,again,you can cancel last min and drag it out,eventually you get told you have to see them or get binned from esa…if you go,or dont go,you get binned,then you go onto jobseekers whilst applying for esa again who will not take you on,unless you can prove your worse than when you were originally examined,at this point you go on the sick for 13 weeks to get your jobseeker dole dosh…during this period,you have to show evidence to esa that your worse,then you go back on esa,or its a good debate with jsa as to why you cant work,so you get binned from jsa,and esa at the same time,easy option is to just go through the motions of filling in the form every 2 weeks,it is to your advantage if you deny having a mobile phone,landline or internet as you are now too poor to afford one,you do not buy newspapers as you are too poor,you cant walk to the library,so any contact from them,has to be by mail,hence you will never find work from them anyway. i already tried by saying i was prepared to find work as a sheperds helper,or i would consider a job as an astronaut,but i wasnt prepared to travel… :wink:

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If you go on ESA & they want you to attend but you not fit enough then they can & will do a home visit but you have to get your GP to send them stuff to say why

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What about the sorts that go on Jeremy Kyle ,how do they manage to pull it off.I am 62 and mainly drive buses ,they load and unload automatically.Some of the drivers that I see on the road just dont look healthy.I wonder if the bin lorry driver had much option about working or not.

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dieseldog999:

Casual Observer:
Inquiry Report out Today , makes some interesting points

Report Glasgow bin lorry crash: Family to prosecute Harry Clarke - BBC News

Summary of Key Points Key points: The Glasgow bin lorry crash report at-a-glance - BBC News

just the usual,bury it waffle.lessons will be learned etcetc…and the fams wasting their breath taking out a private prosecution against a dude who is no doubt on the dla,dole on a council house…you cant rip the breeks from a highlander…blood from stone,no point whatsoever and a complete waste of someones money. ( I wonder if its their own money,or whatever got raked in from appeals ).

In your rush to spout ■■■■■■■■, you appear to have confused yourself about the difference between a private prosecution and a civil action. A private prosecution is pretty much the same as a regular criminal prosecution, except it is started (and funded) by someone other than the CPS, Police etc. The sentencing (in the event of a guilty verdict) is exactly the same as a regular criminal prosecution - i.e. imprisonment, fine, probation, community sentence etc. There is no element of damages or compensation for driving offences (or indeed for homicide), so the fact that he is on the dole, in a council house etc is irrelevant (or rather, it is just as relevant as it would be if the Police or CPS (Procurator Fiscal in Scotland) had brought the prosecution to court).

Or are you saying that it is a complete waste of money to prosecute offenders who live on benefits/in council housing?

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actualy,i wasn’t in any particular hurry to waffle on abut anything,just a leisurely observation which I think is allowed in here?well my actual question was as follows…I wonder whos money is going to pay for the private prosecution? out of some particular persons pocket perhaps,or just blasting some dosh they’ve raked in with appeals or whatever…and id still be of the opinion that at the end of the day,itl be a complete waste of time for all concerned apart from the solicitors pocketing their fees after flogging it to death.irrespective of a guilty or otherwise,( I reckon otherwise with no particular penalty to worry about),though id think someone amongst the private prosecutors will be wanting some compensation out of him also,which leads us back to,blood from a stone…you only need to look at the dude to know there flogging a dead horse.im quite sure if he was working for a private company and not the council it may have taken a different direction,but hands wil have been shaken and palms greased by the powers that be to keep the lid on it and put it to bed as much as poss.who cares anyway,apart from a few fams and the binny driver.