Driveroneuk
By the way, you use your brakes to stop to take a break.
sorry mate
how would vosa know that you took a rest of 3 hour and not a break of 3 hours
would you need to take a print out and say that you have utilize the split rest option
or if analogue you would in fact right on the back to say it was a rest and not a break
so that vosa would know that
some thing like this EDR end daily rest ,SSR start split rest, ESR end split rest, SDR start daily rest
No need to apologise Del, if nobody tells you, you would never know. Thatās what weāre here for. All part of the service 
Neil, can i ask you this if you were salaried by your employer and there payed you 15 hour per day and there do not have a time sheet in place as there donāt need one and you took a split shift and when you do you hours for EU regs how would you say for you driver records how much duty you did on that day would you put 15 hours or 12 hours
and for this if you did 1 hours work there would still pay you 15 as your salaried
delboytwo:
how would vosa know that you took a rest of 3 hour and not a break of 3 hourswould you need to take a print out and say that you have utilize the split rest option
or if analogue you would in fact right on the back to say it was a rest and not a break
so that vosa would know that
Not necessary as mimimum 3 + minimum 9 = minimum 12, which counts as a full (regular) rest period.
Any anylist software would know this.
If a bobby/VOSA officer were to look at, lets say, your last 4 days + current dayās cards showing 3 reduced rests + one 24 hr period where the rest was taken as mimimum 3 hours + miniumum 9 hours, (commonly referred to as split rest) he would see nothing wrong.
you have two jobs in the paper there go like this
you would work 15 hour a day 5 day a week
all hours paid including you three hour split rest part OT after 8 hours 8 pounds an hour
you will work 15 hours a day
day rate 85 pounds including split rest part
the job is for the same employer but is advertised by two agencies
we all know which one we would take
and my point is not all drivers get payed for all hours and some only get payed for worked hours and all rest is not counted for payment
and my point is not all drivers get payed for all hours and some only get payed for worked hours and all rest is not counted for payment
Because they are dumb enough to accept those terms & conditions. If nobody did, they couldnāt get away with it.
delboytwo:
Neil, can i ask you this if you were salaried by your employer and there payed you 15 hour per day and there do not have a time sheet in place as there donāt need one and you took a split shift and when you do you hours for EU regs how would you say for you driver records how much duty you did on that day would you put 15 hours or 12 hours
Neither, I donāt keep drivers records itās all on my digi card. If I did I wouldnāt record duty time anyway as it isnāt in the regulations, I would simply record how much rest I had for the tacho regs and how much work for the WTD.
delboytwo:
how would vosa know that you took a rest of 3 hour and not a break of 3 hourswould you need to take a print out and say that you have utilize the split rest option
or if analogue you would in fact right on the back to say it was a rest and not a break
so that vosa would know that
You wouldnāt need to do anything. If you have had a period during the day of at least 3 hours and you utilise it for a split shift it would be up to VOSA to prove you hadnāt had rest. You donāt have to prove your innocence under British law you are innocent until proved guilty so the burden is all on them. Any time I have been checked and there is 4 or more charts/records with less than 11 hours rest between finishing work and resuming but on each day they see a long period with the mode switch on ābedā during the shift they just accept I am taking the split rest option, itās not questioned especially when they can see from the start and end countries I have used a ferry.
delboytwo:
you have two jobs in the paper there go like thisyou would work 15 hour a day 5 day a week
all hours paid including you three hour split rest part OT after 8 hours 8 pounds an houryou will work 15 hours a day
day rate 85 pounds including split rest partthe job is for the same employer but is advertised by two agencies
we all know which one we would take
and my point is not all drivers get payed for all hours and some only get payed for worked hours and all rest is not counted for payment
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that for the vast majority of people in transport a shift is the period from starting work to ending work, regardless of what they actually do between those times.
Cāmon Del, Iām running out of things to throw into the mix to send you off on a tangent and get you cutting and pasting unconnected stuff. Iāve used wages/pay, ferries, interrupted rest so what else can I use. 
I play the same game with ROG on threads and like you he bites near enough every time, you get more like him every day. In fact Iām beginning to wonder if anyone has ever seen you and ROg in the same place at the same time.
Driveroneuk:
and my point is not all drivers get payed for all hours and some only get payed for worked hours and all rest is not counted for payment
Because they are dumb enough to accept those terms & conditions. If nobody did, they couldnāt get away with it.
And the winner of the most sensible comment on the entire thread competition is Driveroneuk.
delboytwo:
and my point is not all drivers get payed for all hours and some only get payed for worked hours and all rest is not counted for payment
But as you keep pointing out pay has got bugger all to do with the question what is the term shift generally accepted to mean?
Iām going to Belfast on Tuesday. I will start at 03:00 and at about 08:15 traffic permitting I will take a 45 minute break at Lancaster. Traffic permitting I might take another break of around an hour somewhere on the A75, or I might just head straight to Stranraer and have a couple or so hours break before boarding the HSS for the 14:50 sailing. Once on board I will be on break again for about 2 hours 15 minutes. Iāll be in the depot just after 17:00 and Iāll book of between 17:30 and 18:00. Iām going to clock up about 8.5 - 9 hours driving about an hour of other work and about 5 hours of break. Now how long would you say my shift will be on Tuesday?
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
and my point is not all drivers get payed for all hours and some only get payed for worked hours and all rest is not counted for paymentBut as you keep pointing out pay has got bugger all to do with the question what is the term shift generally accepted to mean?
Iām going to Belfast on Tuesday. I will start at 03:00 and at about 08:15 traffic permitting I will take a 45 minute break at Lancaster. Traffic permitting I might take another break of around an hour somewhere on the A75, or I might just head straight to Stranraer and have a couple or so hours break before boarding the HSS for the 14:50 sailing. Once on board I will be on break again for about 2 hours 15 minutes. Iāll be in the depot just after 17:00 and Iāll book of between 17:30 and 18:00. Iām going to clock up about 8.5 - 9 hours driving about an hour of other work and about 5 hours of break. Now how long would you say my shift will be on Tuesday?
as you took no rest and it was all break your shift would be 14.5 to 15 hours long
but if you took rest it would be 12 hours of work but yes your shift would be 14.5 to 15
delboytwo:
but if you took rest it would be 12 hours of work but yes your shift would be 14.5 to 15
Which is exactly what Iāve been saying for the last 4 pages.
Right thatās done and dusted, what can we move onto next? I enjoyed that.
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
but if you took rest it would be 12 hours of work but yes your shift would be 14.5 to 15
Right thatās done and dusted, what can we move onto next? I enjoyed that.
yes it was a good debate but have you forgot Rog mite be here soon
that was a great debate guys kept me transfixed and a little confused for a long time sunderland v everton was a crap game any way bravo can,t wait for the next head to head maybe it could be pay per view luv it
crikey i,ve just looked at the timeline of this thread and there was definitely no daily rest taken on this one
n17 trucker:
that was a great debate guys kept me transfixed and a little confused for a long time sunderland v everton was a crap game any way bravo can,t wait for the next head to head maybe it could be pay per view
pmsl
coffeeholic and i can be hired for Ā£1000 per hour if you what a good debate 40/60 split in my favor
Coffeeholic:
Youāre getting to be harder work than ROG and thatās saying something.
I have got a younger brotherā¦