bigstraight6:
Franglais:
lancpudn:
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
A kid of 9yrs old today might well want a classic Tesla 40 years hence. Memories of when their parent actually drove a car…
A 9yrs old middle class kid that should be, today’s working class kids are not being ferried around in Tesla’s 
that would be a petrol or diesel vehicle of about 10 years old…
Ironically we always had the issue of the working class often driving a BMC heap or a Cortina when for just a few bob more they could buy a big Triumph or Granada.
I guess that a 6 cylinder BMW 5 series or 3 series saloon or estate would be the present day type example of that.They are generally more working class type motors when they hit the used market than the Merc ML, X5 or Range Rover which the higher classes use as a runabout.
The ‘big straight6’ ICE will always keep its ‘classic’ credentials like the V12.
My guess is that EV’s will just be seen as a disposable transport option they will never get ‘classic’ car status in that sense and rightly so.
Can you imagine those future classic ‘Barn Finds’ youtube videos like the Hagerty channel where they scour the country for classic cars.
Future barn finders would come across a Tesla model S that had been stored in a barn for 20 + years with them wondering if the battery is toast or how to get a 12volt feed to power it on & gain access to the cabin & then the car reporting back to the Tesla HQ mother ship as it would need a plethora of OTA updates just to switch it on then tell them the hardware & software of this vehicle is obsolete then shuts down 
lancpudn:
Can you imagine those future classic ‘Barn Finds’ youtube videos like the Hagerty channel where they scour the country for classic cars.
Future barn finders would come across a Tesla model S that had been stored in a barn for 20 + years with them wondering if the battery is toast or how to get a 12volt feed to power it on & gain access to the cabin & then the car reporting back to the Tesla HQ mother ship as it would need a plethora of OTA updates just to switch it on then tell them the hardware & software of this vehicle is obsolete then shuts down
The truth is EV’s and the term Classic are mutually exclusive.
But I think you’re being too pessimistic.The hot rodding scene was always a type of pirate operation using its resourcefulness and initiative to solve these types of problems.
The home build 1,000 hp EV, possibly ICE conversion, is already easily doable.
It just won’t make the right big V8/V12 ICE noises but in theory it will probably be faster which helps with the ‘classic’ bragging rights if anything does.
msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/loo … d=msedgntp
I couldn’t see this having been posted before. Hell of an expensive way of going on. 200 000 euro each …jeez
OwenMoney:
MSN
I couldn’t see this having been posted before. Hell of an expensive way of going on. 200 000 euro each …jeez
Blimey! that’s expensive for basically a last mile delivery vehicle for city/town use.
lancpudn:
OwenMoney:
MSN
I couldn’t see this having been posted before. Hell of an expensive way of going on. 200 000 euro each …jeez
Blimey! that’s expensive for basically a last mile delivery vehicle for city/town use.
The planned electric utopia is unaffordable and the government knows it.
It will be cheaper to go back to horse drawn transport.Bearing in mind that it was still in use and viable in the rail dominated transport environment of the 1930’s.
mining.com/sqm-expects-lithi … -year-end/
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
OwenMoney:
MSN
I couldn’t see this having been posted before. Hell of an expensive way of going on. 200 000 euro each …jeez
Blimey! that’s expensive for basically a last mile delivery vehicle for city/town use.
The planned electric utopia is unaffordable and the government knows it.
It will be cheaper to go back to horse drawn transport.Bearing in mind that it was still in use and viable in the rail dominated transport environment of the 1930’s.
mining.com/sqm-expects-lithi … -year-end/
Looks like the Hoi polli might be getting free public transport paid for by the imminent carbon pricing of road transport airqualitynews.com/2021/11/30/c … searchers/
lancpudn:
Carryfast:
The planned electric utopia is unaffordable and the government knows it.
It will be cheaper to go back to horse drawn transport.Bearing in mind that it was still in use and viable in the rail dominated transport environment of the 1930’s.
mining.com/sqm-expects-lithi … -year-end/
Looks like the Hoi polli might be getting free public transport paid for by the imminent carbon pricing of road transport airqualitynews.com/2021/11/30/c … searchers/
If no one can afford the carbon taxes and they work then where is the funding coming from.
In addition to crashing the automotive sector of the economy which will mean less tax revenues not more.
So not only going back to rail and horse drawn commercial transport everyone is going to be forced out of their cars and onto buses and trains just like the 1930’s.
That’s the useful idiots’ idea of progress.
lancpudn:
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
OwenMoney:
MSN
I couldn’t see this having been posted before. Hell of an expensive way of going on. 200 000 euro each …jeez
Blimey! that’s expensive for basically a last mile delivery vehicle for city/town use.
The planned electric utopia is unaffordable and the government knows it.
It will be cheaper to go back to horse drawn transport.Bearing in mind that it was still in use and viable in the rail dominated transport environment of the 1930’s.
mining.com/sqm-expects-lithi … -year-end/
Looks like the Hoi polli might be getting free public transport paid for by the imminent carbon pricing of road transport airqualitynews.com/2021/11/30/c … searchers/
Hardly a week goes by now without such nonsense from ‘academic’ middle class researchers. Not wishing to point out the obvious, but where is all this carbon pricing tax going to come from to pay for free rainbow coloured electric public transport if we are all going to be forced into low carbon ‘lifestyles’ and transport anyway?
bigstraight6:
Not wishing to point out the obvious, but where is all this carbon pricing tax going to come from to pay for free rainbow coloured electric public transport if we are all going to be forced into low carbon ‘lifestyles’ and transport anyway?
That sudden eureka moment when ‘they’ realise that their utopian dream is actually just an unaffordable, retrograde nuke and biomass fuelled nightmare based on an oxymoron taxation policy.
Which few really want and even fewer voted for.
Assuming ‘they’ are even capable of logical rational thought.
Autotrader UK now says Used electric cars are selling faster than used petrol cars insideevs.com/news/552030/uk-us … sell-fast/
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
Carryfast:
The planned electric utopia is unaffordable and the government knows it.
It will be cheaper to go back to horse drawn transport.Bearing in mind that it was still in use and viable in the rail dominated transport environment of the 1930’s.
mining.com/sqm-expects-lithi … -year-end/
Looks like the Hoi polli might be getting free public transport paid for by the imminent carbon pricing of road transport airqualitynews.com/2021/11/30/c … searchers/
If no one can afford the carbon taxes and they work then where is the funding coming from.
In addition to crashing the automotive sector of the economy which will mean less tax revenues not
So not only going back to rail and horse drawn commercial transport everyone is going to be forced out of their cars and onto buses and trains just like the 1930’s.
That’s the useful idiots’ idea of progress.
In reality it won’t happen, just recall the mass panic of the electorate and in some cases ugly scenes with the petrol/diesel shortage a few months back (and this was just a few weeks…) The vast majority of people will not except a reversal in personal mobility.
So unless in the next few years there’s quick and convenient charging of battery vehicles available and indeed affordable battery vehicles for the masses and not just a few middle class tossers in London, there will be some big U turns.
bigstraight6:
In reality it won’t happen, just recall the mass panic of the electorate and in some cases ugly scenes with the petrol/diesel shortage a few months back (and this was just a few weeks…) The vast majority of people will not except a reversal in personal mobility.
So unless in the next few years there’s quick and convenient charging of battery vehicles available and indeed affordable battery vehicles for the masses and not just a few middle class tossers in London, there will be some big U turns.
Ironically their idea of an ‘affordable’ car will probably be similar to the idea that created the Trabant and VW Beetle.
This agenda has no place for the affordable long distance family Grand Touring car ethos.
Which still leaves the issue of running it at 26p per kwh + the equivalent of road fuel duty and 20% VAT.
People are gradually but too slowly waking up to what these zealots have planned not only in terms of their private transport expectations but also domestic energy supplies.
Effectively they are saying you will change from a less than 5p per kwh domestic heating and cooking regime to electric at 26p per kwh and only going North from that when Al Gore etc have created their monopoly and captive market.
In addition to trading dependence on fossil fuel to dependence on Lithium and Uranium also at the risk of turning the place into another Chernobyl for the privilege.
They have to be stopped first before we’ll get any U turn on this dangerous, anything but green, unaffordable scam.
The green alliance think tank are pushing for more EV sales & ICE car annual mileage to fall by 30% The proposals for the new road pricing cover weight of vehicle, distance driven & the times you drive to cover congestion & pollution, I can see that portion of the congestion/pollution part of the new VED price to soar. airqualitynews.com/2021/12/08/a … -on-track/
lancpudn:
The green alliance think tank are pushing for more EV sales & ICE car annual mileage to fall by 30% The proposals for the new road pricing cover weight of vehicle, distance driven & the times you drive to cover congestion & pollution, I can see that portion of the congestion/pollution part of the new VED price to soar. airqualitynews.com/2021/12/08/a … -on-track/
The green alliance (whoever they are) can push what they want but not being the elected Government of the Country it doesn’t count for anything, and no vote hungry politicians of the mainstream parties would in reality endorse such policies, unless they want to be on the losing side.
bigstraight6:
lancpudn:
The green alliance think tank are pushing for more EV sales & ICE car annual mileage to fall by 30% The proposals for the new road pricing cover weight of vehicle, distance driven & the times you drive to cover congestion & pollution, I can see that portion of the congestion/pollution part of the new VED price to soar. airqualitynews.com/2021/12/08/a … -on-track/
The green alliance (whoever they are) can push what they want but not being the elected Government of the Country it doesn’t count for anything, and no vote hungry politicians of the mainstream parties would in reality endorse such policies, unless they want to be on the losing side.
The Green alliance is made up of independent experts & individuals in the Conservative party as well as Lords & Conservative MP’s and also All-Party Parliamentary Environment Groups. Their Big cheese who chairs the organisation is Lord Howard.
lancpudn:
The green alliance think tank are pushing for more EV sales & ICE car annual mileage to fall by 30% The proposals for the new road pricing cover weight of vehicle, distance driven & the times you drive to cover congestion & pollution, I can see that portion of the congestion/pollution part of the new VED price to soar. airqualitynews.com/2021/12/08/a … -on-track/
Blimey! apart from the government wanting all ICE private vehicles to travel 30% less per annum to achieve their COP 26 climate goals the transport minister is now calling for the end of private car ownership culture fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro … -ownership
lancpudn:
Blimey! apart from the government wanting all ICE private vehicles to travel 30% less per annum to achieve their COP 26 climate goals the transport minister is now calling for the end of private car ownership culture fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro … -ownership
No doubt followed by the end of all private property ownership culture except for the elites.You will own nothing and you will be happy.It’s obvious who and what is pulling the government’s strings.
lancpudn:
lancpudn:
The green alliance think tank are pushing for more EV sales & ICE car annual mileage to fall by 30% The proposals for the new road pricing cover weight of vehicle, distance driven & the times you drive to cover congestion & pollution, I can see that portion of the congestion/pollution part of the new VED price to soar. airqualitynews.com/2021/12/08/a … -on-track/
Blimey! apart from the government wanting all ICE private vehicles to travel 30% less per annum to achieve their COP 26 climate goals the transport minister is now calling for the end of private car ownership culture fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro … -ownership
Never heard of her, and care less about her deluded thinking.
bigstraight6:
Never heard of her, and care less about her deluded thinking.
That’s what they said about Barbara Castle …
before she imposed a 70 mph limit on our nice new, expensive, three lane, better than autobahn standard, motorways.