Carryfast:
I do that around 3 or 4 times a week because I like lots of steak and beer among other heavy cleaning stuff like 4 litres of bleach for the sink etc and large boxes of washing powder etc etc
Well. That’s not worrying. At all.
You seem to have missed the point.
It’s cheaper to buy large heavy package sizes whether it’s frozen chips, or multi packs of beer, or soap powder etc etc and that’s not compatible with long walks to/from bus stops, taking up room on the bus with large shopping bags and I also like the freedom to use private transport as and when and wherever I wish.
It obviously doesn’t mean that I buy 4 litres of bleach and a large box of soap powder and a 4 pack of London Pride, or a large box of Becks etc, 4 times a week.
It just means that like many I like a liftestyle that’s expected of living in a free developed country.
Using the bus or cycling or paying the equivalent of £10 per gallon + road fuel duty and 20% VAT and turning the place into an irradiated, treeless, dustbowl for the privilege, isn’t really an option for me.
Carryfast:
I do that around 3 or 4 times a week because I like lots of steak and beer among other heavy cleaning stuff like 4 litres of bleach for the sink etc and large boxes of washing powder etc etc
Well. That’s not worrying. At all.
You seem to have missed the point.
It’s cheaper to buy large heavy package sizes whether it’s frozen chips, or multi packs of beer, or soap powder etc etc and that’s not compatible with long walks to/from bus stops, taking up room on the bus with large shopping bags and I also like the freedom to use private transport as and when and wherever I wish.
It obviously doesn’t mean that I buy 4 litres of bleach and a large box of soap powder and a 4 pack of London Pride, or a large box of Becks etc, 4 times a week.
It just means that like many I like a liftestyle that’s expected of living in a free developed country.
Using the bus or cycling or paying the equivalent of £10 per gallon + road fuel duty and 20% VAT and turning the place into an irradiated, treeless, dustbowl for the privilege, isn’t really an option for me.
The chap who’s drove a ev from Westminster - Glasgow ( cop 26 ) showed the journey on tv last night , said charging was a nightmare , getting stressed out , was on about calling breakdown at one point
As for buying , most I’d of thought would be like 1/2 brother who’s Tesla x is brought through company , as was his previous 13 bmw , I’ve no idea how it works but he said it costs him next to nothing
That news must have been like a bomb exploding on every ICE car manufacturers CEO’s desk Hertz could have bought 100K ICE cars at a vastly cheaper price but the ICE manufacturers are now looking at being left with huge stranded assets long before the ban kicks in in 2030. The ICE manufacturers are now going to be left wondering if the pivot point to electric vehicles is not that far away.
Car/Fleet buyers will quickly choose the car that will not only have a resale value in the not too distant future, but costs a fraction of the amount to operate.
Great my 3.5t Transit with 1 tonne of batteries can use a Tesla charger.While I sit in the recliner eating smoked salmon sandwiches a few bottles of Becks Blue watching the tele while I’m waiting for it to charge.I’m starting to get it.
Maybe Hertz have seen my idea.
I’ll be dead by the time they’ve burnt all the trees to fuel it and I’m prepared to gamble with the nuke disaster.
(Awaits the price breakdown of electric compared to burning cow dung)
If the Tesla 28p/kWh stays the same then those Tesla Superchargers are going to be popular with other makes of BEV’s, A lot of UK public chargers are 42p/kWh (Geniepoint) or 69p/kWh (Ionity)
Uber have officially pledged to make 50% of it’s global fleet electric before 2025, They only have a little over three & a bit years left as ULEZ’s come into force in cities around Europe/UK. They will be subject to bans or daily charges using ICE vehicles in city/town centres unless they transition to BEV’s.
I don’t understand why Tesla haven’t signed the deal!!! Tesla aren’t supply constrained but they are production constraint at the moment until Giga Berlin & Giga Texas come online in early 2022, Giga Shanghai has already been extended for more production lines.
The iconic Mini will have it’s last combustion engine in 2025 and will be EV only after 2023, Five years earlier than the 2030 ICE ban. electrive.com/2021/11/03/bm … e-in-2025/
lancpudn:
The iconic Mini will have it’s last combustion engine in 2025 and will be EV only after 2023, Five years earlier than the 2030 ICE ban. electrive.com/2021/11/03/bm … e-in-2025/
Eh?
The iconic mini ended production in the year 2000.
lancpudn:
The iconic Mini will have it’s last combustion engine in 2025 and will be EV only after 2023, Five years earlier than the 2030 ICE ban. electrive.com/2021/11/03/bm … e-in-2025/
Eh?
The iconic mini ended production in the year 2000.
lancpudn:
The iconic Mini will have it’s last combustion engine in 2025 and will be EV only after 2023, Five years earlier than the 2030 ICE ban. electrive.com/2021/11/03/bm … e-in-2025/
Eh?
The iconic mini ended production in the year 2000.
Not much of a difference between the old & new
More chance of surviving a crash by jumping out of the old one than staying in it.As Marc Bolan found out.
What’s the point of ordering the ICE version when Boris hasn’t guaranteed fuel supplies or product support for ICE at any point.
Regardless of the fact that no one will be able to afford to run an EV anyway when the loss leader electric prices inevitably end and then road fuel duty and 20% VAT gets added.
50p per kwh + taxes, which is where it will go if not more, is the equivalent of more than £8 per litre.
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
lancpudn:
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
The ‘ban’ is only supposed to apply to vehicles registered on/after that date which obviously doesn’t include classics.It’s also not a ban on combustion engines it’s a ban on fossil fuelled ICE powered vehicles.
Plenty of scope for an alternative fuelled ICE fightback for new vehicles at that time between then and now.
Also even the possibility of a different government renaging on the Paris Accord bollox for energy/national security reasons.In addition to the fact that the economy will be toast when the true costs of this all electric nightmare kick in.
Let alone the environmental implications of a nuclear/biomass/solar based energy policy which by definition means the potential of turning the place into an irradiated treeless dustbowl.
There are probably also lots of specialist car makers who know that dropping ICE will be commercial suicide and I’d put Ferrari at the top of that list.
Also bearing in mind that this forced resources redistribution scam won’t stop at fuel they’ll also hit food resources applying a subsistence ration regime along the lines of cabbage soup and potatoes when the sheep have swallowed the anti meat propaganda.
lancpudn:
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
The ‘ban’ is only supposed to apply to vehicles registered on/after that date which obviously doesn’t include classics.It’s also not a ban on combustion engines it’s a ban on fossil fuelled ICE powered vehicles.
Plenty of scope for an alternative fuelled ICE fightback for new vehicles at that time between then and now.
Also even the possibility of a different government renaging on the Paris Accord bollox for energy/national security reasons.In addition to the fact that the economy will be toast when the true costs of this all electric nightmare kick in.
Let alone the environmental implications of a nuclear/biomass/solar based energy policy which by definition means the potential of turning the place into an irradiated treeless dustbowl.
There are probably also lots of specialist car makers who know that dropping ICE will be commercial suicide and I’d put Ferrari at the top of that list.
Also bearing in mind that this forced resources redistribution scam won’t stop at fuel they’ll also hit food resources applying a subsistence ration regime along the lines of cabbage soup and potatoes when the sheep have swallowed the anti meat propaganda.
Gawd n Bennett you’re a contrary get, The clue is FUTURE classic!!! if they ain’t making any more ICE cars that your average Joe car enthusiast can afford after 2030 then there wont be any FUTURE classics for anyone to buy after that date.
lancpudn:
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
A kid of 9yrs old today might well want a classic Tesla 40 years hence. Memories of when their parent actually drove a car…
lancpudn:
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
There are probably also lots of specialist car makers who know that dropping ICE will be commercial suicide and I’d put Ferrari at the top of that list.
Gawd n Bennett you’re a contrary get, The clue is FUTURE classic!!! if they ain’t making any more ICE cars that your average Joe car enthusiast can afford after 2030 then there wont be any FUTURE classics for anyone to buy after that date.
You seem to have missed that bit.
I don’t think that an EV could be defined as ‘classic’.In much the same way that there’s more demand for a 60hp 4 cylinder 1904 Merc Simplex, than a 1904 Baker EV and anyone who’d prefer the latter over the former and pay the same for it would need to be a bit ‘special’.
Future classic I’ll go with 2035 hydrogen fuelled 6.5 litre V12 ICE powered Ferrari but it must have a proper manual box.
My planned 500 + hp 3.5t Transit EV will be practical and better than a Tesla saloon and fun but it will never be a ‘classic’ like the Ferrari I’ve described.That’s if its electric motor hasn’t gone the way of my vacuum cleaner’s and I’ll be gone or on my way out in the 2040’s, so I won’t care anyway.
lancpudn:
What’s going to happen to Future Classics in this day & age of new world electric vehicles with the ban on combustion engines by the end of the decade? Are car enthusiasts going hold electric cars in high esteem like they do ICE cars or is this going to be the cut off point?
A kid of 9yrs old today might well want a classic Tesla 40 years hence. Memories of when their parent actually drove a car…
A 9yrs old middle class kid that should be, today’s working class kids are not being ferried around in Tesla’s that would be a petrol or diesel vehicle of about 10 years old…
I was speaking to some mates in our classic car club and I asked them the same question, everyone of them said they wouldn’t touch a future classic that had a plug on it for love nor money
The trouble is the new future classic pure ICE cars will struggle to get past 2025 when the new Euro 7 standard starts, It’s going to be 15% stricter than today’s emissions which car manufacturers are barely able to pass now resulting in multi hundreds of €millions in fines. Not very many pure ICE cars will pass that emission standard unless they have a plug & an electric axle.
lancpudn:
I was speaking to some mates in our classic car club and I asked them the same question, everyone of them said they wouldn’t touch a future classic that had a plug on it for love nor money
The trouble is the new future classic pure ICE cars will struggle to get past 2025 when the new Euro 7 standard starts, It’s going to be 15% stricter than today’s emissions which car manufacturers are barely able to pass now resulting in multi hundreds of €millions in fines. Not very many pure ICE cars will pass that emission standard unless they have a plug & an electric axle.
Our family daily drivers are getting on for modern classics, an 18 year old Volvo S60 D5 which owes me nothing after 8 years of ownership and still does my 20 mile daily round trip commute easily at 50MPG and is just about run in on 165,000 miles, my wife’s 14 year old Merc 200 SLK which only has 42,000 miles on it and my weekend driver 20 year old Merc 320 CLK which is still looking and driving like a brand new car.
I don’t understand the comments about Euro 7 standards from 2025, as that only applies to vehicles built from that date onwards, nothing to to with what was built prior to that date.
lancpudn:
I was speaking to some mates in our classic car club and I asked them the same question, everyone of them said they wouldn’t touch a future classic that had a plug on it for love nor money
The trouble is the new future classic pure ICE cars will struggle to get past 2025 when the new Euro 7 standard starts, It’s going to be 15% stricter than today’s emissions which car manufacturers are barely able to pass now resulting in multi hundreds of €millions in fines. Not very many pure ICE cars will pass that emission standard unless they have a plug & an electric axle.
Our family daily drivers are getting on for modern classics, an 18 year old Volvo S60 D5 which owes me nothing after 8 years of ownership and still does my 20 mile daily round trip commute easily at 50MPG and is just about run in on 165,000 miles, my wife’s 14 year old Merc 200 SLK which only has 42,000 miles on it and my weekend driver 20 year old Merc 320 CLK which is still looking and driving like a brand new car.
I don’t understand the comments about Euro 7 standards from 2025, as that only applies to vehicles built from that date onwards, nothing to to with what was built prior to that date.
That’s what I meant, Cars built after 2025 wont be considered future classics as they will either be PHEV’s or BEV’s which the majority of car enthusiast say No Thanks not interested. There’s just over three years left to build the last future pure ICE classics before electric cars take over.
that would be a petrol or diesel vehicle of about 10 years old…