Europe yes or no

Big Jon’s dad:

alte hase:

Postby Big Jon’s dad » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:30 pm
It may surprise you, Geoffrey, to learn that I offer my services to another service industry, the beauty trade. That service industry is not dependant on “high waged” industrial workers. It may further surprise you to learn that there is no shortage of money in some sectors of the economy. The only sector of the economy that is suffering is the lower working class who were dependant on industrial work (and the unemployed who wish to be employed). These people are like dinosaurs and haven’t evolved with changing circumstances

If these workers are ‘dinosaurs’, the products that they produced would no longer be required, anywhere, but the products are still wanted and are still being produced, by workers with the same skill levels as the now unemployed ‘dinosaurs’ of the UK, however the products are being produced by near unpaid workers in the outsourced production lines of the ‘east’, the UK’s upper and middle ‘economies’ are having a whale of a time out of the targetted plunder of the UK lower ‘economy’, achieved solely through ‘outsourcing’, a greed and gluttony fuelled process of ‘dropping’ paid industrial workers in britain, then ‘taking up’ near unpaid industrial workers in the ‘east’, are these permanently busy industrial workers of the ‘east’ also dinosaurs?, this process is much admired and sanctioned by the UK government, well they studiously avoid denouncing it.
I hope you as an honest and successful entrepreneur pay up all your taxes due to the UK government, so that sufficient revenue can be collected to finance the UK’s unemployed ‘dinosaurs’ that you obviously look down upon, yet appear to hold the process of arriving at their unemployment and their former employers in such high esteem, high enough to pay extra taxes is that?.

A lot of people who were not unionised have not suffered from the demise of those unions and their associated industies. You know, the ones that could adapt to the new circumstanses, rather than die out like the industriaal worker stuck in the 1970’s mindset.

Adapt to the new circumstances?, such as what, work for £0.79p per hour?, is that possible?, why should anyone work for less than you?, you of course work for only NMW, thats how to prosper isn’t it?.

I offer my services to another service industry, the beauty trade. That service industry is not dependant on “high waged” industrial workers,

… and they all own three vehicles apiece and own outright their own home with no mortgage?, or dont these ‘‘low wage’’ workers rank high enough up your social order to allow such thoughts?, lets see you live on the wage you think is good enough for ‘others’ to adapt to in the ‘new circumstances’.

Wind yer neck in, I’m baiting Carryfast, but if you want to play as well I’ll answer this time. :smiling_imp:

In a fully unionised and controlled industrial economy I would have to accept the wage my masters said I was worth and only work when they permitted me to work (I’m talking about the unions here, not an employer or the government). They can’t give up the security of paid holidays, sickness benefit, unemployment benefit etc etc and are scared of finding their own work out in the big bad world. Those with more get up and go often succeed as they are willing to work harder as they risk losing everything, including their house, if they make a balls up of it.

The inconvenient truth of the living standards and income levels of the average typical American unionised worker in the US economy of the 1950’s-60’s shoots that bs down.So you’re saying that you’d want to live in a society in which everyone ( rightly ) takes reponsibility for their own health cover and social security requirements and a mortgage to pay for.BUT without the strength of the unions,and not working under a Fordist economic system,keeping wage levels in the economy at sufficient levels to pay for it.In which case what you’re describing isn’t exactly what the Canadian system that you seem to admire has gone for at least in relation to social security and health care provision.

However welcome to the American economy and way of life of the 21st century.Which as far as I know Pat Hasler doesn’t seem so keen on if you read his comments in the ex pat section. :open_mouth: :unamused:

Carryfast:
‘… EU whether Yes or No,under Miliband’s,Cameron’s,Clegg’s or Farage’s terms,who gives a zb …’

Er, ‘who gives a zb’ is what the thread’s about :open_mouth:

At least those quoted (sort-of) speak our lingo and possess a modicum of Britishness about them compared to a tranche of nameless Belgian clerks who currently have the unelected power to dictate and abuse everything , to undemocratically affect the lives of patriots in the British Isles.

Is there no empathy for political self-determination (beyond the economical arena) due to a succession of ill-placed leadership and public faith foul-ups 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years ago - or is the Sixth Column trolling in our midst :question:

Crikey, that’ll be a capitulation then :exclamation: “Medic …give this individual some fibre” :wink:

Carryfast:
‘…Because either/any of those choices is no different to what we’ve got now…’

I’m torn between:

1. Better to have tried and failed at 21st century UK Independence, my friend, than never be bothered with a white feather up my ■■■■

2. Our ancestors didn’t die fighting for Britain’s freedom in order that we jack it away

3. I’d rather eat worms than exist in an homogenised European ‘state’ with its attendant lobotomised set of rambling, anti-human diktats* and meaningless, albeit expensive blue flag with it’s daft federal stars and hopelessly failed currency system

  • Did we know that at four million words length, the ‘EU Regulatory Handbook on Financial Affairs’ would take over two months to read at eight hours a day: Meanwhile, the English translation of ‘War and Peace’ has a mere 560.000 words :open_mouth:

4. Ein Europische Vierte Reich uber alles in Der Grosse Brittania :question:

I’m guessing that Peter Shore MP fought against the spectre of that when he served the Royal Air Force in the latter stages of WW2 :wink:

Big Jon’s dad:
Present for Carryfast: Nice young very attractive lady European. Born in Greece, raised and lives in Germany, sings in at least 6 languages including English, French, German, Greek, Dutch, and Japanese. Represented Luxemborg in the Eurovision Song Contest.
youtube.com/watch?v=nD4ib9-laGY
Although I want the UK to leave the EU, not all Europeans are bad people. This particular one is very nice. Keep watching even if you don’t like the song, she’s worth watching and I think CF will find her attractive. Pity the film dates back to 1967. Still that is CF’s favorit time period.

I’m from the 1970’s remember. :smiling_imp: :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=I2EKuiNbMRc

youtube.com/watch?v=Ka89ORFu_Tc

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘… EU whether Yes or No,under Miliband’s,Cameron’s,Clegg’s or Farage’s terms,who gives a zb …’

Er, ‘who gives a zb’ is what the thread’s about :open_mouth:

At least those quoted (sort-of) speak our lingo and possess a modicum of Britishness about them compared to a tranche of nameless Belgian clerks who currently have the unelected power to dictate and abuse everything , to undemocratically affect the lives of patriots in the British Isles.

Is there no empathy for political self-determination (beyond the economical arena) due to a succession of ill-placed leadership and public faith foul-ups 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years ago - or is the Sixth Column trolling in our midst :question:

Crikey, that’ll be a capitulation then :exclamation: “Medic …give this individual some fibre” :wink:

Carryfast:
‘…Because either/any of those choices is no different to what we’ve got now…’

I’m torn between:

1. Better to have tried and failed at 21st century UK Independence, my friend, than never be bothered with a white feather up my ■■■■

2. Our ancestors didn’t die fighting for Britain’s freedom in order that we jack it away

3. I’d rather eat worms than exist in an homogenised European ‘state’ with its attendant lobotomised set of rambling, anti-human diktats* and meaningless, albeit expensive blue flag with it’s daft federal stars and hopelessly failed currency system

  • Did we know that at four million words length, the ‘EU Regulatory Handbook on Financial Affairs’ would take over two months to read at eight hours a day: Meanwhile, the English translation of ‘War and Peace’ has a mere 560.000 words :open_mouth:

4. Ein Europische Vierte Reich uber alles in Der Grosse Brittania :question:

I’m guessing that Peter Shore MP fought against the spectre of that when he served the Royal Air Force in the latter stages of WW2 :wink:

He most certainly did which is why I’m saying I’ll take his version of a Britain free of the EU ‘and’ the global free market economy over that of Farage’s thanks. :wink:

All it needs now is for a real Labour Party to come along to vote for as of the type which he would have led not the one that Callaghan,Blair and Miliband ran/are running masquerading under the name. :bulb:

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Carryfast:
He most certainly did which is why I’m saying I’ll take his version of a Britain free of the EU ‘and’ the global free market economy over that of Farage’s thanks. :wink:

All it needs now is for a real Labour Party to come along to vote for as of the type which he would have led not the one that Callaghan,Blair and Miliband ran/are running masquerading under the name. :bulb:

Oh dear. You are going to be like an old maid still waiting for Mr Right to come along. What’s it like on that shelf you’ve been left on? :laughing:

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:
Present for Carryfast: Nice young very attractive lady European. Born in Greece, raised and lives in Germany, sings in at least 6 languages including English, French, German, Greek, Dutch, and Japanese. Represented Luxemborg in the Eurovision Song Contest.
youtube.com/watch?v=nD4ib9-laGY
Although I want the UK to leave the EU, not all Europeans are bad people. This particular one is very nice. Keep watching even if you don’t like the song, she’s worth watching and I think CF will find her attractive. Pity the film dates back to 1967. Still that is CF’s favorit time period.

I’m from the 1970’s remember. :smiling_imp: :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=Ka89ORFu_Tc

OK. You’re forgiven. :smiley:

youtube.com/watch?v=DTAmtEIYkzY English version

youtube.com/watch?v=VaxjPBHE8nM. Earlier performance.

Is anyone actually still reading this? Or are they like me merely scrolling straight to the bottom to make the red bit go out? :smiley:

the maoster:
Is anyone actually still reading this? Or are they like me merely scrolling straight to the bottom to make the red bit go out? :smiley:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :stuck_out_tongue:

Big Jon’s dad:

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:
Present for Carryfast: Nice young very attractive lady European. Born in Greece, raised and lives in Germany, sings in at least 6 languages including English, French, German, Greek, Dutch, and Japanese. Represented Luxemborg in the Eurovision Song Contest.
youtube.com/watch?v=nD4ib9-laGY
Although I want the UK to leave the EU, not all Europeans are bad people. This particular one is very nice. Keep watching even if you don’t like the song, she’s worth watching and I think CF will find her attractive. Pity the film dates back to 1967. Still that is CF’s favorit time period.

I’m from the 1970’s remember. :smiling_imp: :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=Ka89ORFu_Tc

OK. You’re forgiven. :smiley:

youtube.com/watch?v=DTAmtEIYkzY English version

youtube.com/watch?v=VaxjPBHE8nM. Earlier performance.

:smiley:

If only I’d have been old enough at the time and in the audience. :smiling_imp: :wink:

These weren’t bad either

youtube.com/watch?v=aKibLPORq2s

youtube.com/watch?v=VfSYeXPQaQI

You’ve been eating too much Findus Lasagne CF !! Pass the Value Burgers please,luverly jubberly !! Cheers Bewick.

Bewick:
You’ve been eating too much Findus Lasagne CF !! Pass the Value Burgers please,luverly jubberly !! Cheers Bewick.

Farage seems to have gone very quiet on the issue of horsemeat for some reason.Probably because he thinks it will keep the peasants fed while keeping wage demands down. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Being Dutch, we had a referendum (is that the correct word) years ago where we decided no more Europe, unfortunately politicians think we’re stupid (we are, because somehow life’s still to good to protest).

Sometimes I think I live in Poland, with all the Polish cars and Trucks with Dutch trailers, and in a few years Romania…

there are 14 pages of good postings here…but i remember queuing up the stairs. never again i,d rather buy tesco minced beef

Queuing upstairs for the canteen, or getting your paperwork? :stuck_out_tongue:

OUT …ASAP. :stuck_out_tongue:

Carryfast:
‘…All it needs now is for a real Labour Party to come along …’

Where on Earth are they ever likely to come from :question:

A 1950’s Ladybird book costing 1/6d maybe :wink:

It’s too similar to stalling for the ‘right time’ or being patronisingly fed the Lib-Lab-Con line ‘now is not the time’

They are democratically wrong because now is the time for a Referendum to be asked ‘Yes or No’ :smiley:

Noting that under this Lib-Lab-Conspiracy it is still not a definite article :neutral_face:

European Union :question: : No :exclamation:

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘…All it needs now is for a real Labour Party to come along …’

Where on Earth are they ever likely to come from :question:

A 1950’s Ladybird book costing 1/6d maybe :wink:

It’s too similar to stalling for the ‘right time’ or being patronisingly fed the Lib-Lab-Con line ‘now is not the time’

They are democratically wrong because now is the time for a Referendum to be asked ‘Yes or No’ :smiley:

Noting that under this Lib-Lab-Conspiracy it is still not a definite article :neutral_face:

European Union :question: : No :exclamation:

The problem is without that real labour party the question given in the referendum won’t actually mean no and out won’t actually be out and therefore the answer will just be same as before.As I’ve said the Con part of the Lib/( New )Lab/Con alliance will still always be there even with Farage in power because he’s basically just a global free market supporting Tory just like Blair,Cam,Clegg,and Miliband in which it’s Russia and China who are really pulling all the strings of our puppet government not the EU.It doesn’t take a genius to realise that what’s being said here is a global government controlled by Russia and China with the EU just being a sub division of that.It’s obvious that we’re in it because Russia and China want us in it and just see what would happen if anyone dared to say no thanks lets break the whole obvious plan for Communist ■■■■■■■■■■ and integrationist agenda up.

youtube.com/watch?v=dnHjw5cOUkE

youtube.com/watch?v=jWhrse7Z-mg

Carryfast:
‘…Farage [is] basically just a global free market supporting Tory …’

1 This quote is ‘…basically…’ encouraging us in the UK to stay in the EU :frowning:

2 This quote ‘…basically…’ seeks to deny UK subjects our 21st century right for political democracy :frowning:

3 Any reply to this poster’s contribution will stimulate a restructured repeat of the same :neutral_face:

4 The unilateral bias of the poster wants Defunct Labour and dreams of dead people one-day leading the UK as the solution to the thread question :confused:

5 An evidenced reply to his quote is best done from here:

ukip.org/page/the-truth-about-the-eu

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘…Farage [is] basically just a global free market supporting Tory …’

1 This individual is ‘…basically…’ encouraging the UK to stay in the EU :frowning:

2 This individual ‘…basically…’ seeks to deny UK subjects their 21st century right for political democracy :frowning:

3 Any reply to this individual’s contribution will stimulate a restructured repeat of the same :neutral_face:

4 The unilateral bias of this individual is probably better addressed by letting the subject of ‘if only’ respond with it’s own evidenced self - although watch this space for twists, turns and a time-wasting wait describing that Defunct Labour and dreams of dead people one-day leading the UK is the solution to the thread question :confused:

ukip.org/page/the-truth-about-the-eu

What a surprise a bs electioneering propaganda excercise telling everyone what they already know.So you’re saying that Farage has suddenly changed from a Thatcherite EU and free market supporting Tory to one who’s now going to run the type of protectionist economy that I’m advocating which is what it would actually take to fix those issues.

The fact is that is a typical cynical piece of electioneering in which he’s promising what he knows he’s got no intention of delivering because delivering that would mean going against every thing he knows and that he’s stood for and supported as a Tory politician under Thatcher.Whereas delivering it would take the return of those policies which sank with real Labour and the Tory splinter group led by Powell in the early-mid 1970’s.However Farage is no Powell or Shore. :unamused: