i drive to euroland every week so i see it full of eastern block drivers cutting the job up so i say cut us out be like the swiss they do well 
great britain only please and we speak english here thanks
Rockgunner:
i drive to euroland every week so i see it full of eastern block drivers cutting the job up so i say cut us out be like the swiss they do well
Hope, you speak a bit better than the way you wrote this… 
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Carryfast:
‘…The question seemed clear enough to me…’
Oh, as long as you know what you mean, it’ll be OK [I’ll evidence the fact that *you don’t know* below] 
Carryfast:
‘…Between 1960-1972 that graph shows a …’ etc
What graph 
Carryfast:
‘…a federal EU government, that’s run … for the interests of British businessmen/bankers like Farage and the Chinese…’
It was exactly because the market wasn’t working for Farage - or Britain that the former began to take action against the expensive, undemocratic intrusion & strangulation that the EU is using to throttle the UK and to restore Britain’s political management the whole nation’s benefit.
[N.B. ‘…A little knowledge is a dangerous thing…’]
Carryfast:
‘…Britain’s fortune actually depends on getting a real Labour government into power …’
Meanwhile, in 2013, all the Labour Party is fully betrothed to the EU because its leader, Milliband said so last week.
So wishing/puffing/ranting for a past arrangement is a wasted endeavour
Happy Keith:
Carryfast:
‘…The question seemed clear enough to me…’Oh, as long as you know what you mean, it’ll be OK [I’ll evidence the fact that *you don’t know* below]
Carryfast:
‘…Between 1960-1972 that graph shows a …’ etcWhat graph
Carryfast:
‘…a federal EU government, that’s run … for the interests of British businessmen/bankers like Farage and the Chinese…’It was exactly because the market wasn’t working for Farage - or Britain that the former began to take action against the expensive, undemocratic intrusion & strangulation that the EU is using to throttle the UK and to restore Britain’s political management the whole nation’s benefit.
[N.B. ‘…A little knowledge is a dangerous thing…’]
Carryfast:
‘…Britain’s fortune actually depends on getting a real Labour government into power …’Meanwhile, in 2013, all the Labour Party is fully betrothed to the EU because its leader, Milliband said so last week.
So wishing/puffing/ranting for a past arrangement is a wasted endeavour
What graph. 
This graph. 
www.economicshelp.org/blog/wp-content/u … 9-2010.jpg
Farage hasn’t got any isues about free markets which is the main problem that’s brought the country down.His main issue is that he thinks that he can make more profit from selling us out even more to the Chinese,in the global free market,than to the Germans in the European one.Which is why the zb has never actually distanced himself from Thatcher’s policy,of being part of the yes campaign at the last referendum,by saying that she was wrong and Shore was right.
However you’ve obviously not understood anything I said because you’ve not noticed that I said we need a ‘real’ Labour government,led by someone like Shore,as opposed to a so called ‘Labour’ Party led by people like Wilson,Callaghan,Blair and now Miliband. 
I agree with that last bit. The Labour Party doesn’t represent the working class of Britain and hasn’t done for years. Love him or loathe him but John Prescott is probably the last true working class man who has had any prominence in a labour government.
Blair the millibands jack straw brown and the list goes on dont know struggle and have done nothing for the working class of Britain.
In fact they vilified the working class as racist morons as they speak out against immigration as its them who are most affected with the job situation and. Seeing there community’s destroyed.
It’s always some middle class liberal saying how immigration brings a richness to community’s and its great theres 500 languages spoke in my local school.
What they mean is its great we can get a polish cleaner on the cheap the local deli sells some nice spicy sausages now and I can afford to send my kid private so they get an education where the teacher doesn’t have to contend with half the school not speaking English.
This could all be done away with by electing a politician representing anything or anyone who has “do away with criminal expenses” on their manifesto.
At present, I would imagine that any newly-elected MP with the best of rose-tinted intentions is probably pulled aside by some “senior” westminster figures, and told something like:
“Look Sebastian, we’re all on the take here. Accept that, and join in, or we’ll have a word with our media buddies, and you’ll find your name being added to the yewtree list before your feet touch the ground! We’ve already got it cut and dried who’s on the list, and who’s not you see, in exchange for no senior media people going to jail. They scratch our backs, We scratch theirs you see. Accept the status quo, and resist those who want it altered - even if that’s what the elected wanted you to do. We decide if you stay or not - Forget the constituents. They’ll vote for a hatstand if its got the right colour rosette on it anyways!”
In f–k that .Then we’ll probably need work permits and s–t to work in the EU f–k that . I want to move to the Netherlands permanents .SNP all the way .
news.stv.tv/scotland/211499-nico … ministers/
kr79:
I agree with that last bit. The Labour Party doesn’t represent the working class of Britain and hasn’t done for years. Love him or loathe him but John Prescott is probably the last true working class man who has had any prominence in a labour government.
Blair the millibands jack straw brown and the list goes on dont know struggle and have done nothing for the working class of Britain.
In fact they vilified the working class as racist morons as they speak out against immigration as its them who are most affected with the job situation and. Seeing there community’s destroyed.
It’s always some middle class liberal saying how immigration brings a richness to community’s and its great theres 500 languages spoke in my local school.
What they mean is its great we can get a polish cleaner on the cheap the local deli sells some nice spicy sausages now and I can afford to send my kid private so they get an education where the teacher doesn’t have to contend with half the school not speaking English.
I think you’ll find that Prescott is just another one of those involved in selling the country’s interests out to the Germans and/or the Chinese.Just like Thatcher and Farage and I don’t ever remember him having any objections to Britain’s open door immigration policy during his time in office.
performingartistes.co.uk/art … escott.htm
Personally I loath him but what I was saying he is a person with working class routes unlike the rest of labour.
F–k him if I have to drive in the uk for the rest of my life I will be severley ■■■■■■ off
kr79:
Personally I loath him but what I was saying he is a person with working class routes unlike the rest of labour.
The problem with the Labour party,like all other parties,is that it’s only those who’ve been indoctrinated by government approved ‘education’ schemes like university etc and then shown that they aren’t prepared to ever rebel against it by thinking for themselves,that are allowed to progress into positions of power like the cabinet or Party leadership.Which wouldn’t be the end of the world if we had a type of democracy that’s subject to continuous review by the electorate and in which a government can be kicked out of office at any time and in which every decision is subject to referendum.As things stand there’s not much difference between the average Tory Party MP compared to the average Labour one.While others just allow political dogma,like the idea of being so called ‘left wing’,as opposed to so called ‘right wing’,cloud their judgement.Which is why so many Labour MP’s have supported our bs open door immigration policy over the years because they’re scared of being branded racist and right wing if they didn’t.
The result of all that being a Labour Party that tore itself apart and then forgot what it was there for.Which was supposed to be looking after the interests of British workers.The fact is those interests could never be looked after with the policies which it supported of sometimes bonkers ideas like joining the Chinese in a workers of the world unite type of socialist/commy utopia and others like EU membership and co operation with the global free market economy.Whereas like wise the Tories were at the other extreme,of if they didn’t support the idea of class distinction and the idea that low wage economies can work,by using a policy of de industrialisation and immigrant labour,to distort the labour market,and free markets,to the point of co operation with those same commy Chinese lot as the loony left Labour lot wanted to join,and Heath’s ideas of joining the EU because he was zb scared of ze Germans,then they too wouldn’t have made the grade.Which is why we didn’t get Shore as Prime Minister but we did get Callaghan,Thatcher,Blair and Cameron and it’s why Prescott,Blair and Miliband are just as big a waste of space bunch of tossers as Thatcher and her cronies were/are. 
I think we should stay with the EU but the good thing is no matter what the outcome we will probably still beable to work in the EU .
ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=470
alza1988:
I think we should stay with the EU but the good thing is no matter what the outcome we will probably still beable to work in the EU .
ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=470
EU nationals have the right to live and work in Switzerland. 
Which just goes to show that if we’re going to vote out with the intention of stopping east european immigration then we’ll need a different deal than the one that Farage seems to be offering.Although he’s standing on a bs ticket of stopping that situation by just settling for a similar status to that which Switzerland has unbelievably allowed itself to be pushed into.The idea that Brits can work in Europe in exchange for us allowing loads of East Europeans to live and work here.No thanks.But at least your post shows that Farage is just full of zb because the deal that he’s proposing isn’t enough to stop it and there’s no such thing as ‘good immigration’ considering that we’re already full having already accepted too much anyway.
Carryfast:
‘… if we’re going to vote out with the intention of stopping east european immigration then we’ll need a different deal than the one that Farage seems to be offering.Although he’s standing on a bs ticket …’
Again, a little knowledge is dangerous thing: The focus is to make Britain self-determining - so why choose to self prioritise this issue other than to illustrate your loathing of non-socialists and Nigel Farage in particular?
Happy Keith:
Carryfast:
‘… if we’re going to vote out with the intention of stopping east european immigration then we’ll need a different deal than the one that Farage seems to be offering.Although he’s standing on a bs ticket …’Again, a little knowledge is dangerous thing: The focus is to make Britain self-determining - so why choose to self prioritise this issue other than to illustrate your loathing of non-socialists and Nigel Farage in particular?
There’s not much point in having a so called ‘self determining’ government in power if it’s just the same type of administration which we had under Thatcher but with the Chinese pulling the strings instead of the Germans.While Farage obviously seems to think that the immigration issue matters to a lot of his misguided supporters by making that one of the points which he’s standing on.If it’s all just about ‘self determination’ then that’s the ticket which he should be standing on together with being honest that he hasn’t got the bottle or the inclination to cut our ties with Europe totally.Which would obviously include cutting those ties to the point where we are no longer being held to ransom by the EU,in the case of opening our borders to EU imports and immigration,all for the privilege of having the same trade deficit which we’ve got now with the place.
As for the Swiss if they’ve been stupid enough to lose the plot then there’s no hope whatsoever for the uk regardless of wether we’re in or out.Although having said that the Isle of Man seems to have a tougher policy regarding the rights of EU nationals to work there than Switzerland now seems to have.The question of immigrant labour in the case of an IOM type policy being one of the definition of what is meant by ‘‘where there are no suitable indigenous workers available to fill the role’’.
gov.im/ded/workpermits/wpwel … nuid=21604
However exactly where have I shown any support for socialism whatsoever in what I’ve said.Unless you’re saying that the US economy of the 1960’s and the UK one between 1960-72 were both based on socialism. However Thatcher’s ( and obviously Farage’s ideas by association ),of opening our domestic market to the ’ global free market economy’,were/are probably a lot closer to the idea of supporting the Chinese Communist Party’s interests than anything which I’ve said.
If Scotland became independant and part of the EU I wouldn’t mind
alza1988:
If Scotland became independant and part of the EU I wouldn’t mind
Where’s the logic in wanting out of the British union but in a Federal Europe that’s run for the benefit of Germany.
But that sounds ok to me too if it leads to a situation in which we vote to leave the EU and the East European immigration issue becomes one that only applies to the Scottish not us.In which case I’m sure the Scots will be ecstatic to find their job market subject to the increase in supply and the increase in demand for housing and social security and health care etc assuming many of those that have come here would prefer to move to Scotland instead of going home.Although no doubt the double standards,in which the Scots make English immigrants subject to different conditions,concerning issues like care home costs and student fees,while the English would be called racist for imposing different conditions on immigrants than the indigenous population,will probably apply.
Carryfast:
‘… Farage obviously seems to think that the immigration issue matters to a lot of his misguided supporters by making that one of the points which he’s standing on…’
What’s misguided about being unhappy at funding ‘all-comers’ to the UK
Carryfast:
‘…If it’s all just about ‘self determination’ then that’s the ticket which he should be standing on…’’
It is - why not get into 2013’s issues & try disassociating him with the Thatcher woman of thirty years ago 
Carryfast:
‘…[T]ogether with being honest that he hasn’t got the bottle or the inclination to cut our ties with Europe totally…’
Eh The reality is that you, me and our society demands European kit, ie, VW, Miele, BMW, Bosch, Rolls-Royce, Audi: That wouldn’t take ‘… bottle or the inclination…’ because not even a nut-job in a trance would vote for it
Britain would work harmoniously with our geographical neighbours through choice & market forces, etc - not because Brussels says we must - whilst forcing penalties on us working alone with the rest of the world
alza1988:
‘…If Scotland became independant and part of the EU I wouldn’t mind…’
Out of the chip-pan and into the fire
That’s little different to Irish Republicans wanting N.Ireland to be part of a greater Eire - which is equally subordinate
to ghastly Brussels as the UK is: What’s the point in that - when all Brussels does is ■■■■-out all individuality to make all
‘member states’ a dull-grey morass (see ‘exciting’ Luxembourg or the skint Greeks/Italians, for example).
I believe that any ‘solution’ involving EU memebership creates the sensation of being disenfranchised
against the invisible, faceless, spineless & unelected & undemocratic but very rich dictators.
Edited to note how it was the inclusion of the EU member State flag attachment on this page which has naffed-up it’s user-friendliness